The Secrets of Statecraft

Former US Senator and university president Ben Sasse joins Andrew Roberts on Secrets of Statecraft for a candid and very wide-ranging conversation about the state of American institutions and how to revitalize them. Sasse explains why Congress has become weak and dysfunctional, why entitlement spending and debt threaten U.S. stability, and how social media distorts our politics. Sasse also takes on higher education—grade inflation, the replication crisis, and Harvard’s decline—while reflecting on the coming challenges of the AI revolution. In addition, they also discuss the extinction of late-night comedy, foreign policy, tariffs and trade wars and Iran, China, and Russia. And yes, Ben explains to Andrew what a  “nougie” is.

Historian Andrew Roberts is joined by former U.S. Secretary of State and current Director of the Hoover Institution Condoleezza Rice for a dive deep into today’s international hotspots—including Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, rising tensions with China over Taiwan, and the complex relationships between Russia, China, Iran, and North Korea. Their discussion also covers how leaders draw lessons from history, what might tip the world into a new Cold War, and how nations might address these evolving challenges. Director Rice also gives her thoughts on the rapid rise of artificial intelligence— which includes her recommended read, The Worlds I See by Fei-Fei Li, the Founding Co-Director of Stanford’s Human-Centered AI Institute.

Conrad Black, a Canadian businessman and esteemed author, chats about his latest historical work covering the years 14AD to 1648. He explores the misconceptions of the 'Dark Ages', diving into both calamities and remarkable figures. The discussion highlights cunning leaders like Richelieu and Elizabeth I, unraveling their complexities. Black also critiques democracy's flaws versus historical governance while re-evaluating the role of Christianity during the late Roman Empire. Finally, he entertains the hypothetical impact of a victorious Mongol invasion on Europe.

Niall Ferguson, a world-renowned historian and senior fellow at the Hoover Institution, dives into a kaleidoscope of topics, from time travel to the implications of historical events on modern geopolitics. He explores how counterfactuals can reshape our understanding of critical moments, like the Manhattan Project. Ferguson also discusses the impact of applied history on issues like the Ukraine conflict and critiques of fiscal policies that threaten great powers. With insights on the future of education and institutional integrity, he highlights the intersection of history with contemporary challenges.

Tim Bouverie, a British historian and author of 'Allies at War', delves into the intricate diplomatic challenges faced by Churchill, Roosevelt, and Stalin during World War II. He highlights the humor and tension in the diaries of lesser-known diplomats. The discussion also reveals how Britain skillfully maintained Franco's neutrality in Spain and navigated complex dynamics with Vichy France. Bouverie explores the evolving partnership between Churchill and Roosevelt, including their differing views on imperialism, and examines counterfactuals that question the determinism in historical events.

Caroline Stanley, Countess of Derby, is an English aristocrat and art historian. Affectionately called 'Cazzy,' she shares riveting tales about her illustrious family's 600-year history, including connections to William Shakespeare. They discuss her late husband's travels in North America and the complex dynamics of slavery in the British Empire. The conversation also touches on historical battles and their hypothetical consequences, while revealing fascinating discoveries at Noseley Hall, enhancing our understanding of literature and history.

Joining the discussion is Bret Stephens, a prominent New York Times columnist and founder of the journal Sapir. He passionately argues that defending Ukraine is crucial to U.S. interests. Bret highlights the dangers of the West’s flirtation with authoritarianism and the potential ripple effects of a compromised Ukraine, including emboldened aggression from China toward Taiwan. He also critiques recent U.S. foreign policy, examining the moral implications of relationships with authoritarian regimes while emphasizing the urgent need for capable leadership.

Daniel Samet, the George P. Schultz Fellow at the Ronald Reagan Institute and author of a new book on U.S. defense policy towards Israel, dives deep into the intricate U.S.-Israeli relationship. He highlights how strategic interests often overshadow shared values, examining the historical context of U.S. aid to Israel and its evolving dynamics. Samet also addresses the shifting landscape of Congressional attitudes influenced by younger voters and examines the significant power that weaker nations, like Israel, can exert over stronger allies.

Mitch Daniels, former Director of the Office of Management and Budget under Reagan and Governor of Indiana, brings his wealth of experience and witty perspective to the discussion. He shares fascinating insights on bipartisanship, the fiscal challenges of governance, and the impact of tariff policies. With a passion for Harley-Davidson motorcycles, Daniels humorously contrasts their culture with others, underscoring the vital role of sound in safety. He also reflects on the lessons history offers for effective political leadership.

Richard Dannatt, the former head of the British Army, sheds light on the often-overlooked Korean War, discussing its roots and pivotal moments. He details early North Korean successes and General MacArthur's strategic counterattack that turned the tide. The conversation dives into the British government's choices during the war and how they resonate with current conflicts, especially in Ukraine. Dannatt emphasizes the importance of international cooperation, military investment, and the historical lessons that shape modern defense strategies.