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Oct 21, 2015 • 41min
Episode 40: Julia Kelly On How She Charges $300 An Hour To Draw Cartoons
Today we’re having a crazy interview, but in the best way. We’ll be talking to Julia Kelly, she’s a caricature artist, and the first one we’ve had on the show. She also has a degree in Accounting, so she loves the numbers side of things.
We go through how she and her team charge hundreds of dollars an hour for caricature art, and all the ins and outs of her work and business strategy. She’s applied everything I cover on the website and podcast when it comes to value based pricing and price anchoring, and has now applied it to her craft and company.
Today’s topics include:
•Julia’s transition from BC sales to BB sales
•Why selling the outcome to your clients is so important
•How she discovered being a booth caricature artist
•Her pricing strategy
•How she’s a lead generator for businesses
•Julia’s business growth plan of action
Basically, Julia is a bridge between a potential prospect at a trade show and the customer, and through her testimonials and how she pitches herself, she helps to serve as an investment to their business. So essentially, she’s selling outcomes. It’s about getting results. It’s not about your qualifications or your education, it’s about what you provide for the customer.
We explain why it’s important to communicate that you’re a professional by explaining the outcomes they’ll get by working with you, and delve into the challenges she faced when changing her type of work events and shifting the focus to her clients instead of herself.
Julia actually works with a team, where the work is divided into about 50/50. More than anything, Julia realizes the importance of making it more about the business and less about the fun in itself, because the business side of things is what keeps it all afloat.
Make sure to visit Julia’s gorgeous website at www.jkexpressions.com, and if you want to contact her, feel free to e-mail her at julia@jkexpressions.com.
Personally, I’ve recently been in heads down mode in the second edition of my annual class: “Double Your Freelancing Clients”, where it’ll be launching in November and kicking off in February. We work with masterminds and mentor led students, every six weeks for 6 months, to help each memory student stay accountable and get tailored advice about how to apply the course contents to the business. We’ve had incredible results with our pilot class, and it’s only once a year. So if you’re interested, head on over to www.doubleyourfreelancing.com/clients and check us out.

Oct 14, 2015 • 1h 17min
Episode 39: Sean D'Souza on Why Clients Buy (Part 2)
Today I have part two of my interview with the amazing Sean D’Souza. We needed to go deeper into the 7 bag framework that Sean’s developed that covers the 7 objectives that need to happen prior to a successful sale. In this interview, we dove deeper into all of this.
I really wanted to get his perspectives on how to use the principles that were so foundational for my own businesses and tailor them to people like you: freelancers and consultants.
More and more companies are making the same fundamental mistake that’s hindering their sales and keeping them from moving up in the charts. But what mistake is that, exactly?
One of the most important aspects of sales is knowing how to listen to your customers and speak to them in a language that they’re familiar with, and more importantly, that they can relate to.
Episode highlights:
How to optimize your sales so they’re more attractive to customers
How to uncover the customer’s problem and it use it to your advantage
How to use Sean’s “Yes-Yes” sale method
What you should be paying closer attention to when it comes to your customers
How to establish your business credibility
When you create a product, it’s because you have a solution to a problem. When someone asks you why you created that product isn’t when you start talking about the wonderful solution you came up with. It’s your perfect chance to present the problem and explain why you have the best solution.
“It’s not just about bringing up the problem, it’s bringing up the consequences of not dealing with that problem.”
We wrap up the episode while talking about having multiple pages, the importance of testimonials, and the reason why you’re not getting more customers.
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Be sure to join us next week for another awesome episode, joined by the talented Julia Kelly.

Oct 7, 2015 • 37min
Episode 38: Sean D'Souza on Why Clients Buy (Part I)
Today is the first episode of a two-part edition with Sean D’Souza. Sean’s book, The Brain Audit, had a big impact on me as well as countless others. The Brain Audit is designed to give somebody the tools to understand what goes on in the brain of a customer and how to respond accordingly. It includes the Seven Red Bags which is a sequential process to move the customer through various stages. We take a look at the principles of the book and how freelancers can benefit from Sean’s information.
Sean says websites or information freelancers give to potential clients about their services may not focus enough on “the problem.” Freelancers need to address a client’s specific problem. The client may not realize the problem initially. By identifying the problem, a freelancer will be able to tell the client how their specific service will solve it.
Episode Highlights:
What Sean’s book means by The Seven Red Bags
How companies like Apple and Domino’s Pizza have achieved great success by focusing on one aspect of problem-solving
How freelancers can effectively use a target profile and a develop their niche
Sean invites listeners to sign up to receive his booklet, How To Win The Resistance Game.
Check out Sean’s podcast, The Three-Month Vacation Podcast.
**Be sure to join us for the second part of my interview with Sean. **
You can sign up now for the 2016 class of Double your Freelancing Clients. Fill out the opt-in form and I’ll contact you with details in November.
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Sep 30, 2015 • 32min
Episode 37: DYF Conf Roundtable
The Double Your Freelancing Conference that took place last month In Norfolk brought a lot of great people together to share information and ideas. In this episode, 5 of the speakers from the conference join me to discuss what value they got from the conference and their overall impressions.
The Panel:
Mojca Mars - owner of Super Spicy Media, social media consultant
Brian Casel - owner of Audience Ops, content marketing service
Julie Elster - owner of Just Tell Julie, virtual accounts receivable service
Kurt Elster - ecommerce consultant who helps shopify stores double their revenue
Kai Davis - outreach consultant who helpsconsultants and product creators increase their traffic and grow their audience
We discuss some of the highlights of the Double Your Freelancing Conference, including:
The sense of community we all felt that began with Slack conversations before the conference and continued through the event
The fact that the speakers felt like attendees too
Looking at attending conferences as an investment in your business
Learning that so many people were forward-thinking with their businesses
Brennan’s desire to have an actionable conference
The speakers that inspired us to take action, apply their direction in some way to our own businesses and strive for productivity and focus
a core theme of: be intentional in your business
With the success of the first Double your Freelancing Conference, I’m planning a European version, possibly in June 2016!
Resources and Links:
Slack
Super Spicy Media
Audience Ops
Just Tell Julie
Kurt Elster
Kai Davis
You can sign up now for the 2016 class of Double your Freelancing Clients. Fill out the opt-in form and I’ll contact you with details in November.
If you liked today’s podcast, please leave a review for the show in iTunes. I’m trying to get listed in new and noteworthy on iTunes and would appreciate your help!

Sep 14, 2015 • 39min
Episode 36: Paul Jarvis on Finding a Match between Products and Audience
My good friend Paul Jarvis is my guest on this episode of the Business of Freelancing Podcast. Paul began as a web designer and applied what he learned in his work to writing for creative freelancers looking to better run their businesses. Today we discuss building products, especially for those freelancers who may not have a huge audience and a solid idea for a product.
Paul has authored numerous wildly-popular books designed for a particular audience. Paul’s product training wheels involved a book based on his vegan diet called Eat Awesome. It served to teach him some important lessons around product development. Some of those lessons he talks about that can help freelancers get started on a product include:
The importance of working with an audience you like and want to serve
Allowing the audience you’ve worked with to help spread the word about your product
Finding your product through the people that come to you with their problems
Getting the before, during, after and after-plus interviews with clients in a spreadsheet
The importance of having processes in place with a built-in mechanism for data collection
Allowing yourself to be an expert to your audience
Paul is a firm believer in the importance of data collection to drive your business decisions. Paul says be confident in the data even if you aren’t confident in yourself.
To find out more about Paul, head over to his website pjrvs.com. While you’re there sign up for his weekly newsletter, The Sunday Dispatches. Paul also offers Creative Class - 12, self-paced online lessons where you’ll learn the business of freelancing from Paul.
You can sign up now for the 2016 class of Double your Freelancing Clients. Fill out the opt-in form and I’ll contact you with details in November.
If you liked today’s podcast, pleaseleave a review for the show in iTunes. I’m trying to get listed in new and noteworthy on iTunes and would appreciate your help!

Sep 7, 2015 • 50min
Episode 35: Paul Kortman on Location Independence as a Business Owner with a Family
More and more freelancers have taken to becoming nomads who live and work a location- independent lifestyle. My guest, Paul Kortman, is a nomad who travels with his wife and four children and runs a digital marketing consulting business from various locations. On this episode Paul offers some thoughts on this lifestyle and how to make your business work in a non-traditional setting. Paul believes that if you want to pursue the life of a nomad there are a number of things you can do to help make the process easier and far more enjoyable.
We talk about some of the issues that people can face when they don’t have the same location to live in and work from everyday. Paul discusses some of the concerns people may encounter and the benefits that can result from living a location-independent lifestyle:
problems with internet and cell service stability to do your work
batching work and coordinating things that need to be done before tackling projects
traveling with children and the benefits and skillsets they can develop from a nomadic lifestyle
how split shifts and working with a team in various locations actually helps productivity
Paul’s sales funnel is referral marketing. He returns to his home base once a quarter to network and continue to build referrals. He says while the lifestyle isn’t for everybody, it’s very possible to get the best of both worlds. Paul has started a website called Nomad Together which provides a community and resources for others looking to find a location-independent lifestyle. There you will find a guide which covers eight basic categories that will help you make the leap to becoming a nomad. The site also has a supportive community to share any troubles and issues that may arise.
Please check out my Business of Freelancing new course offering for a new one hour webinar training video, How to Qualify, Sell and Close a New Client. You’ll find examples of actual client communication and proposal excerpts.
Before you go... Want to hang out with me and 100+ other freelancers in person?
On September 16th, the inaugural Double Your Freelancing Conference kicks off in Norfolk, Virginia. I've arranged to fly in 14 experts, and they'll be covering how to sell, market, price, and grow your business. You won't want to miss this. Get your ticket here.
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Aug 27, 2015 • 40min
Episode 34: Nick Disabato on Using Productized Consulting to Scale Your Agency
Welcome to the Business of Freelancing Podcast. Today I am talking to Nick Disabato, a good friend who is the founder of Draft Revise. As well as the author of Cadence & Slang, a guide to interaction design. Draft Revise is a service that helps companies optimize their content. Nick and I are going to discuss the company he’s built, how he’s done it, and what advice he has for those wanting to get into productizing.
Nick is the go-to-guy for productize consulting. Productizing Consulting is a service based on personal experience and expertise. Companies hire productize consultants to troubleshoot their business. Once a month or every quarter Nick’s company will test your business website to see if your site is functioning at full optimization.
Along with an explanation of his company’s service Nick explains why he makes the choices he does in his business. Including:
Why he is selective about his customer base.
How “boring work” can still be a good thing when it is steady.
Don’t base price on a set fee. Look at the customer needs.
Nick’s service is not for beginners. He thinks the best way to move into full-time freelance is to start small. Research your client base and educate yourself on your niche in the market. You are providing a service, understand why you are providing that service.
To learn more about Nick Disabato visit nickd.org for a more personal introduction and visit draft.nu for a business one. Also check out Nick’s book Cadence & Slang.
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Aug 3, 2015 • 59min
Episode 33: Kai Davis on How to Build an Audience as a Freelancer, and Why You Should Start Today
Our guest will be one of the speakers at our Norfolk, VA for the Business of Freelancing Conference this September. Kai Davis is an expert in building up an audience from scratch; building up your authority and targeting the clients you want to work with. If you’re looking to build an audience on your own you will love this episode.
In this episode, Kai explains the answer to the most important question any businessman asks himself. Who is my audience? And how are they related to an average freelancer like me? Does a personal touch or your own brand visibility play a major role in getting the right audience? Kai and I discuss building trust and value for the products and services you will be offering without sounding like a salesman. He mentions a lot of helpful tips on how to convert current contacts into income-generating leads naturally by delivering not just the job but also how to deliver great value as well for the customer’s business and in the end getting new referrals that would lead to other referrals.
We also talk about the degree of expertise needed vs. being exposed for being lacking in some areas. Understanding who you are and the solution you can offer to your client’s need, is an important point that needed looking into.
Kai also touches on the value of self-marketing and how you can convert it into a revenue generating activity. He explains the intricacies of the Tripwire concept, SEO and digital marketing, were interesting talking points that will educate your audience into signing up for your services.
If you would like to learn more about Kai and his expertise around audience building, head over to DoubleYourAudience.com or reach out to Kai on Twitter @KaiSDavis. As a special gift for Business of Freelancing listeners, Kai has put together a special checklist and video Q&A all around audience building and the steps you can take to get started today, head over to doubleyouraudience.com/dyf.
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Jul 20, 2015 • 40min
Episode 32: Dave Nevogt of Hubstaff on Effective Team Communication
Welcome to the latest episode on Business of Freelancing. One of my favorite things to do on my show is bring in niche experts, the kind of experts who are amazing at building a freelancing business and who can teach you how to get better clients. On today’s episode, I uncover what clients are thinking when they start hiring freelancers. I find out why some hire the way they hire and why they turn away certain candidates. I interview Dave Nevogt, co-founder of HubStaff.com – a team management platform online connection freelancers with clients – and ask him what’s going through his head when he’s hiring new freelance positions.
Dave hires a lot of freelancers, so he knows exactly what he’s looking for when he posts jobs and starts interviewing candidates. Key personality traits that stand out are go-getter attitudes who are proactive. The process Dave goes through to hire a freelancer involves understanding their availability and how their attitude affects their work. During our conversation, Dave offered key insight into how you can professionally portray these traits through email and how a proactive modification to your portfolio can make all the difference.
Along with his helpful tips, Dave mentions that there are a few things freelancers do that can sour relationships with clients. He advises every freelancer to follow these rules in order to avoid the most common freelance mistakes:
Maintain high quality work
Ask for more time when you need it
Understand the business goal behind what you’re doing
Keep evolving with new and creative content
In this episode, Dave offers useful insights into how you can maintain your clients and continue to build new relationships and expand your business. You can get even more from his blog, and his website HubStaff.com, or email him directly at dave@hubstaff.com.
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Jul 13, 2015 • 34min
Episode 31: Mojca Mars on Getting Clients through Social Media
Welcome to Episode 31 of The Business of Freelancing Podcast. Today I’m very excited to bring on my good friend Mojca Mars. Mojca will be a speaker at the Double Your Freelancing Conference in September, and I will be working with her personally in the near future as well.
Mojca had a quick start to her current consulting agency, Super Spicy Media, by getting those initial first customers via Twitter. Now she says that the majority of her customers actually still come from Twitter and the engagement she’s built there over time. Adding value is core to her approach to social media.
Don’t spam people, don’t use automated tools to send massive amounts of posts, and don’t try to use hashtags to reach new people. Add value, answer people’s questions, and engage in a meaningful dialogue and you’ll also see the return on investment that Mojca has seen too.
Almost all of us have personal Twitter and Facebook accounts. Should we have business accounts too? Mojca says it depends on the business, but for most freelancers their businesses are so closely mirrored to their personal profiles it just doesn’t make sense. It usually just will create more work, and not have a lot of upside.
As powerful as social media tools like Twitter and Facebook are, Mojca still says that building an email list is the first thing that most business owners should do. The conversation usually goes over to social, but starting it on email is a great way to begin a conversation.
For those of you just getting started, Mojca says to start with a finite amount of time on each platform, and have a plan in mind before you get started. As you begin to get engaged with your target audience, look to test your approach early and often. If what you’re doing is working then you can do more of it, if it’s not then try something new and iterate the process.
You can reach out to Mojca (not surprisingly) via Twitter @MojcaMars.