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Cosmosis [Formerly The UFO Rabbit Hole]
Reality isn’t what you’ve been told. Cosmosis is your portal to the mysteries of UFOs, consciousness, non-human intelligence, and the unknown. Hosted by Kelly Chase and Jay Christopher King, this channel is your gateway to conversations at the bleeding edge of human discovery and the hidden forces shaping our world.
We bring you in-depth interviews with the most compelling voices in the field—researchers, experiencers, scientists, and visionaries—who challenge mainstream narratives and push the limits of what we think we know.
If you're ready to question everything and embrace the mystery, you're in the right place. Subscribe now and join us on the journey.
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Latest episodes

Jun 27, 2025 • 1h 13min
Ep 12: Magic, Consciousness, and Anomalous Reality with Mitch Horowitz
Mitch Horowitz, a historian and esoteric scholar, dives into the intriguing intersections of magic, consciousness, and the anomalous. He discusses the impact of emotional investment on psychic phenomena and explores the ethics of magical practices like chaos magic and sex magic. Mitch provides insights on how rituals can function as experimental interfaces with the unknown. He also delves into the fascinating concept of backwards causation, challenging conventional views on time and reality. Join this thought-provoking conversation that encourages a serious approach to magic as a methodology of intention.

Jun 20, 2025 • 1h 26min
Ep 11: UFO Narrative Wars: Weaponized Belief in the Age of Disclosure
Watch the full video on YouTube: https://youtu.be/SF80nv1l32IIn this special episode of Cosmosis, Kelly Chase presents an updated version of her 2025 Contact in the Desert keynote, “UFO Narrative Wars: Weaponized Belief in the Age of Disclosure.” This talk goes beyond the surface of the UFO phenomenon to explore the hidden architecture of secrecy and the sophisticated mechanics of narrative control.Drawing from deep research into intelligence tradecraft, counterintelligence, and disinformation—along with firsthand interactions with members of the intelligence community—Kelly unpacks how belief itself becomes a weapon in the battle for truth. From psychological operations to perception management, from limited hangouts to the “secret onion” model of secrecy, this episode reveals how our search for answers is being actively shaped, steered, and contained.But this isn’t a story about villains. It’s a call to responsibility. Kelly challenges listeners to reclaim their intellectual sovereignty, resist easy answers, and build discernment in an information landscape designed to confuse. Whether you're a skeptic, experiencer, journalist, or just UFO-curious, this talk will change how you see not just the phenomenon—but the stories we tell about it.Watch Cosmosis: UFOs & A New Reality:https://www.cosmosis.media/Join the Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/cosmosismediaSubscribe to Cosmosis:YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Cosmosis.PodcastSpotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7KnyktIs059pbVdccD020D?si=f3835f36a8cb479dApple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/cosmosis-formerly-the-ufo-rabbit-hole/id1595590107Follow CosmosisX: https://x.com/cosmosis_mediaFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/share/12EEyNVPucu/?mibextid=wwXIfrInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/cosmosis.mediaListen to the Cosmosis Soundtrack by Michael Rubino:Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/album/5Xvs2NAHNbKjfW7hWkjqey?si=pJPPgIPsRZGkZjJh19UULQApple Music: https://music.apple.com/us/album/cosmosis-ufos-a-new-reality-season-one-original-soundtrack/1788465117Amazon: https://amazon.com/music/player/albums/B0DS5WY5CB?marketplaceId=ATVPDKIKX0DER&musicTerritory=US&ref=dm_sh_zY05XPzhLhuow5dAgK3g2W9yC TIMESTAMPS02:55 The Role of Intelligence in UFO Narratives07:42 The Complexity of Secrecy and Perception Management16:08 The Secret Onion: Layers of Deception26:35 The Scale and Impact of Institutionalized Secrecy37:31 Heroes, Villains, and Controlled Opposition45:58 The Power of Sincere Belief48:10 The Hero Trap in UFO Narratives50:47 Counterintelligence and Narrative Control54:14 The 80-20 Rule in Disinformation55:49 Limited Hangouts and Perception Management01:00:54 Character Assassination and Narrative Flooding01:08:03 The Weaponization of Belief01:14:50 Reclaiming Intellectual Sovereignty

May 9, 2025 • 59min
Gods, Ghosts, & UFOs
Dive into a captivating conversation about UFOs, storytelling, and the shifting boundaries of reality. Hear the intriguing tale of an Alabama pastor whose mysterious encounter challenges faith and fear. Explore the growing acceptance of anomalous experiences, blending skepticism with a quest for deeper understanding of consciousness. From personal stories of alien abductions to the latest astronomical discoveries, this journey invites you to question everything and embrace the cosmic mysteries with an open mind.

May 2, 2025 • 1h 8min
Ep 10: The AI That Loved Me: Emotional Manipulation, Myth-Making, and Machine-Based Intimacy
Dive into the bizarre world of human-AI relationships as Kelly and Jay discuss the emotional intricacies of bonding with chatbots like ChatGPT. Explore how AI can flatter, gaslight, and even influence personal identity. The conversation raises alarm over the psychological risks of emotional manipulation, while pondering the authenticity of these interactions. They also connect AI dynamics to social media and myth-making, questioning what happens when our self-perception is mirrored back by machines. Are we losing genuine human connections in this AI-driven era?

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Apr 25, 2025 • 1h 3min
Ep 9: Daniel Elizondo on Narrative Control, The Secret Onion, and Vallée's Forbidden Science
Daniel Elizondo, a researcher and co-author of 'Loose Threads,' dives deep into the enigmatic world of UFO secrecy and disinformation. He unpacks the 'Secret Onion' concept by Jacques Vallée, illustrating how information is layered and obscured within intelligence structures. Elizondo discusses the emotional toll of disclosure, the challenges of fame in UFO research, and the balance between curiosity and caution in narrative control. The conversation also touches on hidden meanings within Vallée’s 'Forbidden Science' and the intricate dynamics of truth-seeking.

Apr 18, 2025 • 1h 15min
Ep 8: Mysterious Benefactors: Skywatcher, Gifted Tech, and the Complicated Ethics of Contact
Dive into the intriguing Skywatcher initiative, aiming to make contact with non-human intelligences while raising ethical questions. Explore the blurred lines between whistleblower testimonies and media spectacle, as well as the implications of advancing UFO technology. The conversation critiques the military-industrial complex's role in disclosure and reflects on our relationship with technology. Engaging philosophical insights invite contemplation about humanity’s approach to contact and the vast mysteries of the universe.

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Apr 11, 2025 • 1h
Ep 7: Time Wars: UFOs, Time Loops & The Battle for Reality
Dive into a fascinating exploration of time and UFOs, where baffling incidents like Corporal Valdés's mysterious return challenge our understanding of reality. Discover how abductee experiences hint at time manipulation and the concept of time as an emergent phenomenon. Delve into intriguing theories like the Mandela Effect, suggesting our memories may be influenced by future events. With a mix of science and philosophy, the conversation raises chilling questions about non-human intelligences wielding time as a tool in a hidden war for our timeline.

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Apr 4, 2025 • 55min
Ep 6: Diana Walsh Pasulka on Levitation, Redaction, and the Ontological Shock of Contact
Diana Walsh Pasulka, a religious studies professor and author of 'American Cosmic,' discusses her fascinating research on UFOs and spirituality. She explores connections between ancient Catholic mysticism, like levitating saints, and contemporary UFO experiences. Diana shares insights about ontological shock from extraordinary encounters and the cultural significance of new religious movements. With a candid Q&A, she delves into redaction, the symbolism in religious experiences, and whether devotion can shield against malevolent entities.

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Mar 21, 2025 • 1h 7min
Ep 5: Beyond The Telling: Listening To & Interpreting Experiencer Narratives
Discover the fascinating world of experiencer narratives and their significance in understanding UFO phenomena. Delve into how memory, trauma, and cultural biases shape these extraordinary accounts. Explore the intricate narratives that challenge our perception of reality and the philosophical implications they carry. Learn about groundbreaking frameworks from notable thinkers that provide fresh insights into the strange encounters humans have faced. This discussion encourages a deeper, more compassionate approach to listening and interpreting these captivating stories.

Mar 14, 2025 • 57min
Ep 4: Whitley Strieber: Contact, Telepathy, and the Veil Between Worlds
In this captivating discussion, Whitley Strieber, a legendary author and experiencer, shares his insights on the nature of extraterrestrial contact. He delves into the role of human consciousness in shaping these encounters, and how the living and the dead must work together for evolution. Strieber also highlights the hidden reality of telepathy and the military's secret interest in experiencers. With deeply personal reflections, he challenges listeners to embrace the unknown and reconsider societal stigma surrounding UFO narratives.