The Call Is Coming From Inside The House: James Madden on Belief, Doubt, and UFOs

Sep 11, 2025

Philosopher James Madden, author of Unidentified Flying Hyperobject, joins the discussion to explore the intricate relationship between belief and doubt in the UFO realm. He raises provocative questions about whether ufology has turned into a form of religion. The conversation highlights the significance of critical thinking and transparency in investigations, urging listeners to embrace uncertainty while seeking better questions. With insights into the psychological challenges within the community, Madden inspires a deeper understanding of this mysterious phenomenon.

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INSIGHT

UFO Talk Is Heavily Pre-Framed

Talking about UFOs guarantees you will be misheard because people bring preexisting symbolic commitments to the topic.
James Madden says ufology functions like religion with entrenched beliefs that resist new ideas.

INSIGHT

Ask Why You Believe

Freud's distinction between illusion and delusion helps explain belief in ufology even when arguments seem good.
Madden urges asking what personal investments drive our beliefs beyond evidential reasons.

ANECDOTE

Veteran Researchers Lack Dark Doubt

Jay describes meeting veteran investigators who reported they 'don't have those' dark doubts because they focus on cases daily.
He suggests boots-on-the-ground work can sustain wonder without the existential struggle.

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In this episode of Cosmosis, Kelly Chase and Jay Christopher King are joined by philosopher James Madden, author of Unidentified Flying Hyperobject: UFOs, Philosophy, and the End of the World. Jim has been part of this journey with us from the very beginning, appearing on The UFO Rabbit Hole podcast and in our docuseries Cosmosis: UFOs & A New Reality.

Together, we take a hard look at the state of ufology and how belief, ideology, and language shape the way we think about the phenomenon. We ask tough questions: Has ufology become a kind of religion? What does it mean to practice good “epistemic hygiene” in a field so vulnerable to disinformation and self-deception? How can we avoid falling into old patterns of certainty while still honoring the mystery?

This is a conversation about curiosity, responsibility, and the courage to sit with the unknown. Whether you’re new to the field or a long-time experiencer, Jim’s insights cut through the noise and remind us that sometimes the most important thing isn’t finding the answer—but learning to ask better questions.

Music for Cosmosis is by Michael Rubino. The show is brought to you by SpectreVision Radio.

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