To The Point - Home Services Podcast

In this insightful discussion, Taylor Hulett, Director of Training & Development at RYNO Strategic Solutions, unpacks how AI is reshaping local search for contractors. He shares innovative findings from the RYNO Innovation Lab, revealing how ChatGPT influences search visibility. Taylor emphasizes the importance of off-site reputation, and effective strategies for smaller contractors to compete with industry giants. His predictions for AI marketing's future include potential paid placements and the need for contractors to embrace conversational content for success.

In this episode of To The Point Home Services Podcast, Chris and Chad sit down with Brian Gottlieb, founder of Renewal by Andersen, Jacuzzi Bath Remodel, and author of Beyond the Hammer. Brian’s story is one of true grit and growth — from starting at a plastic folding table with just $3,000 to leading teams of 600+ and generating nearly a billion dollars in lifetime sales.Brian opens up about:His journey from selling home improvements in Appleton, WI, to building nationally recognized brands.The pivotal leadership lessons that helped him scale multiple businesses successfully.Why culture is more than cheerleading — it’s about shaping how your team thinks, feels, and behaves when no one’s watching.How to turn chaos into profit by developing your people, simplifying systems, and creating “training organizations.”The truth about leadership: empowering decision-making, fostering healthy conflict, and leading with influence instead of control.He also breaks down his book, Beyond the Hammer, sharing how blue-collar leaders can elevate their mindset and build high-performing teams.⏱️ Episode Timecodes00:00 – Intro: Meet Brian Gottlieb02:30 – Starting with $3,000 and a folding table05:10 – Defining purpose and impact as an entrepreneur07:00 – Leadership and culture as the foundation for growth10:00 – Training managers as the custodians of company culture15:00 – Encouraging healthy conflict and open communication20:00 – Fixing bad culture: inspecting what you tolerate25:00 – Creating clarity through KPIs and business disciplines34:00 – Simplifying systems — “complexity is the enemy of execution”43:00 – Decision-making training and empowering teams44:00 – The story behind Beyond the Hammer and what it means48:00 – Mentoring, giving back, and legacy in the home services industry🔗 Resources Mentioned📘 Beyond the Hammer by Brian Gottlieb — Get the book on Amazon🎧 Beyond the Hammer Audiobook (read by Edoardo Ballerini & Brian Gottlieb) — available on Audible🌐 Follow Brian Gottlieb: LinkedIn | Website💡 Mentioned Event: Tommy Mello’s Vertical TrackThank you to our Sponsors!Rilla: https://www.rilla.com/tothepointChiirp: https://chiirp.com/Contractor Commerce: https://www.contractorcommerce.com/ryno/Bluon: https://www.bluon.com/get-demo?referral_code=ToThePointAvoca.ai: https://avoca.ai/r/tothepoint💬 Join the ConversationWhat was your biggest takeaway from Brian’s journey? Drop your thoughts in the comments — we’d love to hear how you’re building leadership and culture in your business.👍 If you enjoyed this episode, like, comment, and share it with another contractor or leader who needs to hear it.📲 Don’t forget to subscribe to To The Point Home Services Podcast for more powerful insights from the industry’s top minds!

In this episode, Chris welcomes back the legendary Ken Goodrich, founder of Goettl and now the force behind Generator Partners and the Kenerator brand — “your personal power plant.” Ken dives deep into the current home services landscape, the evolving generator market, and why he believes the next big wave for contractors is already here.From navigating uncertain economic times to the power of brand storytelling, this conversation is packed with insights from one of the trades’ most experienced leaders. Ken shares how he’s applying decades of HVAC, plumbing, and electrical knowledge to an entirely new industry — and how business owners can position themselves for growth even in tough markets.🔑 Key TakeawaysHow Ken scaled during past recessions and his advice for thriving in tough marketsWhy the generator market is the “next HVAC” opportunity for contractorsThe story behind the Kenerator and its emotional brand strategyHow AI, energy insecurity, and the aging power grid are reshaping home servicesBuilding and executing a thousand-day plan for business successLessons in leadership, systems, and scaling from one of the best in the industry🕒 Timecodes00:00 – Welcome back, Ken Goodrich04:00 – Market outlook: 2025–2026 and what contractors should prepare for07:00 – How Ken grew during recessions by pushing forward, not pulling back10:00 – Introducing the Kenerator and the personal power plant concept17:00 – Why Ken moved from HVAC to generators — and what he saw coming22:00 – The rise of home energy independence and the generator boom27:00 – Systems, processes, and the “thousand-day plan”33:00 – Retail vs. relationship sales in the trades39:00 – Using AI for business and process building46:00 – Selling the unseen: how to market products customers don’t know they need50:00 – The wave of private equity in home services53:00 – How roofing, HVAC, and generators are intersecting industries1:00:00 – Final insights from Ken and closing thoughts🔗 Resources & MentionsKenerator — https://kenerator.comTradeEngage: https://www.tradeengage.com/Follow Ken Goodrich on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kenneth-d-goodrich-ba580427/Listen to more To The Point episodes: https://rynoss.com/podcast/Thank you to our Sponsors!Rilla: https://www.rilla.com/tothepointChiirp: https://chiirp.com/Contractor Commerce: https://www.contractorcommerce.com/ryno/Bluon: https://www.bluon.com/get-demo?referral_code=ToThePointAvoca.ai: https://avoca.ai/r/tothepoint💬 Join the ConversationIf you got value from this episode, drop a comment with your biggest takeaway!👍 Like the video, 🔔 subscribe for more real-world home service insights, and share this episode with someone in the trades who needs to hear it.

In this episode, hosts Chris Yano and Chad Peterman dive deep into one of the toughest parts of running and scaling a home services business—handling customer complaints and escalations. From miscommunications and missed appointments to leadership challenges and team accountability, they break down what it takes to turn fires into opportunities for growth.Chad shares his perspective as a business leader at Peterman Brothers on why it’s crucial to own your mistakes, build a culture of accountability, and train your team to prevent future issues rather than just put out fires. You’ll also hear real examples of how his company manages escalations, handles refunds, and empowers frontline staff to resolve problems quickly and confidently.💡 Key Takeaways:Why “the customer is always right” isn’t always true—and how to respond when they’re notHow to turn complaints into valuable process improvementsThe difference between fixing the issue vs. fixing the processHow to create a safe environment for employees to admit mistakesLeadership lessons for managing internal conflict and changeWhen to issue refunds, credits, or just an apologyThe role of communication in preventing small problems from becoming big fires⏱️ Timecodes:00:00 – Catching up & Halloween banter03:30 – Episode intro: Firefighting in business08:00 – Is the customer always right?10:30 – Fixing the issue vs. fixing the process13:00 – Preventing fires through training16:00 – Leadership challenges in change management20:00 – Creating safe spaces for feedback21:00 – Common fires at Peterman Brothers25:00 – The power of proactive communication28:00 – Escalation chains & customer care31:00 – Reading between the lines of complaints34:00 – Learning from fires to improve the business41:00 – Refunds vs. apologies: how to decide44:00 – When you’re right but the customer feels wronged46:00 – Accessibility & communication from leadership48:00 – Key lessons and closing thoughts🔗 Resources & Links:Visit https://www.petermans.comLearn more about RYNO Strategic Solutions: https://www.thinkryno.comFollow To The Point on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and YouTube for more episodes!Thank you to our Sponsors!Rilla: https://www.rilla.com/tothepointChiirp: https://chiirp.com/Contractor Commerce: https://www.contractorcommerce.com/ryno/Bluon: https://www.bluon.com/get-demo?referral_code=ToThePointAvoca.ai: https://avoca.ai/r/tothepoint📢 Call to Action:If you got value from this episode, subscribe, drop a comment about how your company handles escalations, and share this episode with another business owner or manager who needs to hear it. Let’s keep making the trades stronger, one conversation at a time. 💪

Chad Peterman, co-founder of Peterman Brothers, shares invaluable lessons for home service business owners from a decade of experience. He reflects on leveraging marketing and branding early, emphasizing storytelling for real connection. Chad reveals the crucial role of call center staffing and training in boosting sales and discusses the importance of measuring marketing ROI. Mistakes in hiring due to unclear roles are highlighted, along with strategies for creating a positive workplace culture through small, memorable benefits. This conversation is packed with actionable insights!

Derek Cormier, owner of Climate Experts in Melbourne, Florida, shares his inspiring journey from police officer to thriving contractor. He emphasizes the power of social media in building a brand and attracting talent, revealing how humor on platforms like TikTok slashed recruiting costs by 60%. Derek suggests that smaller contractors lean into authenticity, focus on brand awareness over direct leads, and create engaging content without needing a large budget. His advice encourages all contractors to embrace their unique personalities to stand out.

Chris Yano, CEO of RYNO Strategic Solutions, brings invaluable insights from his extensive experience in digital marketing for contractors. In his keynote, he highlights the transformative power of words in influencing behavior and shaping business success. He emphasizes the necessity of prioritizing 'Return on Influence' over traditional ROI. With a focus on four key pillars—urgency, savings, trust, and comfort—he shares practical strategies for capturing attention, the significance of authenticity, and the impact of self-talk on leadership. Get ready to rethink your approach to communication!

Tyson Chen, founder of Avoca AI and MIT alum, joins Paul Barth from TurnPoint to discuss the revolutionary impact of AI on call handling in home services. They delve into how voice AI is becoming the first line of defense, boosting booking rates and enhancing customer satisfaction. Insights on human-in-the-loop support and real-world performance comparisons between AI and live CSRs highlight the advantages of AI integration with CRMs. The conversation also addresses common fears, cost savings, and onboarding experiences for businesses of all sizes.

Join Jason Buehler, founder of Buehler Air Conditioning & Plumbing, as he reflects on his transformative journey post-acquisition with Legacy Service Partners. He dives into his impressive growth from $3M to $25M in revenue, tackling challenges of burnout and leadership along the way. Jason shares insights on regaining confidence, hands-on management, and the importance of trust in long-term vision. Plus, he offers valuable advice for business owners considering a sale, emphasizing the significance of engaging fully in their ventures.

Aaron Gaynor, co-founder of Eco Plumbers, Drains, Heating, & Cooling, shares his journey to building a $100 million business by 2025. He discusses pivotal moments that transformed his approach to leadership, emphasizing the importance of writing down goals and creating a Vivid Vision. The conversation dives into lessons learned from wrong hires and the invaluable role of self-talk and affirmations in overcoming challenges. With a blend of insightful anecdotes and humor, they explore how culture and productivity fuel growth in the home services industry.