
Distance To Empty
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Distance To Empty will take its audience deep into the world of ultra-endurance running, with a particular focus on races exceeding 200 miles. Through in-depth interviews with athletes, race organizers and sports scientists, the episodes shed light on the unique challenges and strategies involved in tackling these extreme distances. Tune in and learn what it takes to reach your distance to empty.
Latest episodes

Apr 7, 2025 • 18min
Rachel Entrekin is Flagstaff Bound at the 2025 Cocodona 250
Want to support us? Use code DISTANCE at Janji.com and be sure to select 'podcast' > 'Distance to Empty' on the post purchase "How did you hear about Janji" page. Thank you!Welcome to our Flagstaff Bound series! We'll be hosting this series along with Aravaipa Running in the lead up to the 2025 Cocodona 250.In this episode of Flagstaff Bound, host Kevin Goldberg and co-host Peter Noyes interview defending Cocodona 250 champion Rachel Entrekin as she prepares for her second go. Rachel discusses her training adjustments, lessons learned from last year's race, and her strategies for pacing and nutrition. She emphasizes the importance of crew support and shares her excitement for the upcoming race, while also reflecting on personal goals beyond just placement.

Apr 2, 2025 • 22min
Ryan Sandes is Flagstaff Bound at the 2025 Cocodona 250
Want to support us? Use code DISTANCE at Janji.com and be sure to select 'podcast' > 'Distance to Empty' on the post purchase "How did you hear about Janji" page. Thank you!Welcome to our Flagstaff Bound series! We'll be hosting this series along with Aravaipa Running in the lead up to the 2025 Cocodona 250.In this episode of Flagstaff Bound, host Kevin Goldberg and co-host Peter Noyes interview ultra running legend Ryan Sands as he prepares for his debut at the Cocodona 250. They discuss Ryan's extensive experience in ultra marathons, his training regimen, mental strategies for endurance racing, and the importance of preparation and community in such challenging events. Ryan shares insights on managing sleep, breaking down races into manageable segments, and the excitement of new adventures in his long-running career.

Apr 2, 2025 • 1h 13min
How to Finish the Arizona Monster 300 (w/ Two Dudes Who Haven't Run It)
Want to support us? Use code DISTANCE at Janji.com and be sure to select 'podcast' > 'Distance to Empty' on the post purchase "How did you hear about Janji" page. Thank you!In this episode of the Distance to Empty podcast, host Kevin Goldberg and guest cohost Chad Bruce delve into the inaugural Arizona Monster 300, a 304-mile ultra race through the Sonoran Desert. They provide a detailed course preview, discussing each section's challenges, including elevation changes, aid station locations, and sleep strategies. The conversation emphasizes the importance of preparation, hydration, and pacing, especially given the unique conditions of this race. With insights from their training experiences, they offer valuable tips for both runners and crew members to navigate this epic adventure successfully.

Mar 31, 2025 • 19min
Callie Vinson is Flagstaff Bound at the 2025 Cocodona 250
Want to support us? Use code DISTANCE at Janji.com and be sure to select 'podcast' > 'Distance to Empty' on the post purchase "How did you hear about Janji" page. Thank you!Welcome to our Flagstaff Bound series! We'll be hosting this series along with Aravaipa Running in the lead up to the 2025 Cocodona 250.In this episode of the Distance to Empty podcast, host Kevin Goldberg and co-host Peter Noyes welcome back Callie Vinson, an experienced ultra marathon runner preparing for the Cocodona 250. They discuss Callie's motivations for returning to the race, her mindset and strategies for tackling the challenges of ultra running, and the importance of nutrition and hydration. Callie shares her transition into coaching and how it has enriched her experience in the sport. The conversation also touches on personal growth through racing, gear preparation, and the anticipation of challenges during the race.

Mar 26, 2025 • 17min
Dan Green is Flagstaff Bound at the 2025 Cocodona 250
Want to support us? Use code DISTANCE at Janji.com and be sure to select 'podcast' > 'Distance to Empty' on the post purchase "How did you hear about Janji" page. Thank you!Welcome to our Flagstaff Bound series! We'll be hosting this series along with Aravaipa Running in the lead up to the 2025 Cocodona 250.In this episode of Flagstaff Bound, host Kevin Goldberg and co-host Peter Noyes interview Cocodona 250 hopeful Dan Green. They discuss Dan's journey into ultrarunning, his transition from shorter races to the 200-mile distance, and the unique challenges that come with such a long race. Dan shares his excitement and nervousness about the Cocodona 250, his strategies for sleep and mental resilience, and the physical preparation he has undertaken. The conversation also touches on why Dan chose Cocodona, his anticipation for specific sections of the race, and his thoughts on success beyond just placement.

Mar 24, 2025 • 17min
Kyla Maher is Flagstaff Bound at the 2025 Cocodona 250
Want to support us? Use code DISTANCE at Janji.com and be sure to select 'podcast' > 'Distance to Empty' on the post purchase "How did you hear about Janji" page. Thank you!Welcome to our Flagstaff Bound series! We'll be hosting this series along with Aravaipa Running in the lead up to the 2025 Cocodona 250.In this episode of Flagstaff Bound, host Kevin Goldberg and co-host Peter Noyes chat with Kyla Maha, an athlete manager at Janji and a first-time participant in the Cocodona 250 race (or any 200+ mile race!). In this episode we discuss Kyla's journey into ultra running, her preparations for the race, the importance of crew support, and insights into the course. Kyla shares her mindset shifts, personal goals, and the challenges she anticipates during the race, all while maintaining a light-hearted and humorous tone.

Mar 17, 2025 • 1h
The Iditarod Trail Invitational w/ Mitch Dulleck
Want to support us? Use code DISTANCE at Janji.com and be sure to select 'podcast' > 'Distance to Empty' on the post purchase "How did you hear about Janji" page. Thank you!In this episode of Distance to Empty, host Kevin Goldberg interviews Mitch Dulleck about his experience in the Iditarod Trail Invitational 150. Mitch shares his journey to the race, including his preparation, gear choices, and nutrition strategies for enduring the harsh winter conditions. He discusses the challenges of pacing, sleep strategies, and the unique experience of racing through the night. Mitch reflects on his finish, the adventure of getting home, and his future goals in ultra running, particularly aiming for the ITI 350.

Mar 11, 2025 • 1h 15min
Andy Jones-Wilkins is Running Cocodona 250
In this episode of Distance to Empty, host Kevin Goldberg welcomes ultra runner AJW to discuss his upcoming participation in the Cocodona 250, his journey into 200-mile races, and the unique challenges they present. AJW shares his motivations for stepping up to this distance, including a tribute to his late friend Rob Martin. The conversation delves into training strategies, the importance of sleep management, and the evolving landscape of ultra running, particularly the rise of 200-mile races. AJW also offers insights into the future of the sport and the significance of Cocodona as a premier event in the ultra running community. In this conversation, AJW discusses the rapid rise of the Cocodona 250 race, its impact on the ultra running community, and the increasing popularity of 200-mile races. He shares his personal journey with hip replacements and how it has affected his training and racing. The discussion also touches on coaching strategies for athletes preparing for long-distance races, reflections on AJW's ultra running career, and advice for first-time 200-mile runners.

Mar 3, 2025 • 1h 7min
Fueling for 200 Milers w/ Registered Dietician Stefan Schuster
In this episode of Distance to Empty, Kevin Goldberg and Stefan discuss the intricacies of ultra running, particularly focusing on the 200-mile distance and the nutritional strategies that accompany such endurance events. Stefan shares his journey from a career in sales to becoming a registered dietitian, emphasizing the importance of nutrition in ultra running. The conversation delves into the differences in fueling strategies between 100 and 200-mile races, the significance of training the gut, pre-race nutrition, and the management of electrolytes during races. Stefan provides practical advice for runners to optimize their performance through effective nutrition and hydration strategies. Stefan discuss the intricacies of hydration and nutrition strategies for ultra running, particularly in extreme conditions. They explore the balance of electrolytes, the impact of weather on fueling strategies, and the importance of adapting to changing circumstances during long races. The discussion also touches on overcoming nutritional pitfalls, the allure of liquid calories, and personal experiences of highs and lows in ultra running. Stefan emphasizes the need for simplicity in nutrition, especially during challenging races, and the importance of enjoying the journey.

Feb 25, 2025 • 1h 4min
Anastasia Wilde & Jason Peters - 200 Race Photography
In this conversation, Anastasia Wilde, and Jason Peters discuss their experiences in the world of long-distance race photography, particularly focusing on 200-mile races. They share their personal journeys into the industry, the challenges they face during races, and the planning involved in capturing the best moments. The discussion also touches on memorable experiences, both epic failures and emotional moments, as well as the use of drone technology in race coverage. The conversation highlights the camaraderie and unique challenges faced by photographers in the endurance sports realm. In this conversation, the hosts and guests discuss the intricacies of photographing ultra races, including the challenges of sleep deprivation, the logistics of race day, and the excitement of shooting new events. They also touch on the impact of technology on their work, the importance of community support for photographers, and their personal experiences in the field. The conversation wraps up with a rapid-fire segment where the guests share their favorite moments and gear.