
Distance To Empty
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Distance To Empty will take its audience deep into the world of ultra-endurance running, with a particular focus on races exceeding 200 miles. Through in-depth interviews with athletes, race organizers and sports scientists, the episodes shed light on the unique challenges and strategies involved in tackling these extreme distances. Tune in and learn what it takes to reach your distance to empty.
Latest episodes

Feb 17, 2025 • 1h 14min
"The Chase" a Cocodona 250 Film w/ Dylan Harris
Want to support us? Use code DISTANCE at Janji.com and be sure to select 'podcast' > 'Distance to Empty' on the post purchase "How did you hear about Janji" page. Thank you!In this episode, Dylan shares his journey into filmmaking, detailing how he transitioned from sports to trail running and eventually to capturing the essence of ultra running through documentaries. He discusses the challenges and excitement of filming the Cocodona 250 race for The Chase, focusing on the elite runners and the broader narratives that unfold during such events. Dylan emphasizes the importance of storytelling in ultra running, the unexpected twists that arise during races, and how competition influences the narrative he aims to capture. In this conversation, Dylan discusses his journey from creating commercial content to focusing on authentic storytelling in ultra running films. He reflects on the evolution of the Cocodona 250 race, the unique experiences planned for the film's premiere tour, and the importance of curiosity in long-distance running. Dylan also shares insights on the film's distribution plans and his personal motivations behind filmmaking in the ultra running community.

Feb 10, 2025 • 1h 18min
Candice Burt - From the Triple Crown of 200s to the Arizona Monster 300 & Beyond
Candice Burt, the mastermind behind 200-mile ultra races like the Tahoe 200 and Moab 240, shares her thrilling journey. She dives into the evolution of ultra marathons and the unique challenges of the upcoming Arizona Monster 300, from diverse terrains to mental hurdles. Candice emphasizes the importance of training, sleep, and nutrition, revealing personal experiences that highlight the emotional depths of endurance racing. The conversation celebrates the vibrant community surrounding ultra running and teases her future events, including a Colorado 200.

Feb 3, 2025 • 1h 31min
Trail Running & Wildlife Encounters w/ Jeff Larson of Tooth & Claw Podcast
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In this episode of Distance to Empty we interview Jeff Larson, cohost of the Tooth and Claw Podcast about the intersection of wildlife encounters and ultra running. They discuss safety tips for trail runners, the risks of animal encounters, and the importance of being prepared with the right gear. Jeff shares insights from his research on animal behavior, particularly regarding bears and snakes, and offers advice on how to handle unexpected wildlife encounters. The conversation also touches on the challenges of sleeping on the trail and the unique scenarios that ultra runners may face in the wilderness. In this engaging conversation, the hosts share personal wildlife encounters, discuss safety tips for running in nature, and explore the behavior of various animals. They recount thrilling stories of close encounters with moose, mountain lions, and bears, emphasizing the importance of understanding animal behavior and being prepared for unexpected situations. The discussion also touches on unique scenarios involving animals in different environments, highlighting the thrill of outdoor adventures and the lessons learned from these experiences.

Jan 27, 2025 • 1h 9min
The Mammoth 200 w/ RD Hilary Yang
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In this conversation, Hilary Yang shares her journey into the world of 200-mile races, detailing her experiences as a photographer and media director for Destination Trail. She discusses the inspiration behind the Mammoth race, the challenges of planning a new race, and the unique features of the course. Hilary emphasizes the importance of community, support for runners, and the role of media in capturing the race experience. In this conversation, Hilary Yang discusses the upcoming 200-mile race, emphasizing the balance between competition and community. She highlights the importance of creating a memorable experience for all participants, from the first to the last runner. Hilary encourages those considering their first 200-mile race, sharing insights on the unique journey and personal growth that comes with endurance racing. The discussion also touches on the significance of support, the beauty of exploration, and the lessons learned from both highs and lows in racing.

Jan 20, 2025 • 1h 15min
Harry Subertas - Cocodona 250 & The Triple Crown of 200s
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In this conversation, Harry Subertas shares his journey into the world of 200-mile races, detailing his experiences, challenges, and triumphs. He reflects on his first race in Colorado, the impact of cumulative fatigue, and his historic performance at Cocodona. Harry discusses the challenges he faced during the Tahoe race, including health issues, and how he navigated them with the support of friends and pacers. He also touches on the newfound attention and sponsorship opportunities that have arisen from his successes, as well as his strategies for managing sleep and breathing issues during endurance races. In this conversation, Harry Subertas shares his experiences from various ultra races, including Tahoe, Bigfoot, and Moab. He discusses the challenges faced during these races, including physical injuries and mental fatigue, while also highlighting the joy of community and support from friends. The conversation culminates in Harry's emotional proposal to his partner at the finish line of Moab, reflecting on the significance of shared experiences in the running community. He also looks ahead to future races and adventures, expressing a desire to continue pushing his limits while enjoying the journey.

Jan 13, 2025 • 1h 18min
Harvey Lewis - 200 Miles and Beyond
In this conversation, Harvey shares his extensive experience in ultramarathons, particularly focusing on the challenges and adventures of running 200-mile races. He reflects on his first 200-mile race at the Gobi Trail Ultra, the spontaneous decision to run the Badwater Double, and the beauty of the Bigfoot 200. Harvey discusses the differences between traditional ultramarathons and backyard ultras, emphasizing the mental and physical strategies required for each. The conversation highlights the camaraderie among runners and the personal growth that comes from pushing one's limits in extreme conditions. In this conversation, Harvey shares his experiences and insights on ultra running, focusing on the challenges of sleep deprivation, training and recovery strategies, the growing popularity of 200-mile races, and the emotional highs and lows encountered during these extreme endurance events. The discussion highlights the complexity of race logistics, the personal nature of sleep management, and the evolving landscape of ultra running competitions.

Dec 30, 2024 • 1h 21min
Across Florida 200 w/ Liz Myers + Year End Recap
In our last episode of 2024, Liz Myers shares her inspiring journey into ultra running, detailing her transition from strength training and off-roading to completing her first 200-mile race. She discusses the challenges of training, the emotional rollercoaster during the race, and the unique experiences of running across Florida. Liz emphasizes the importance of self-competition, the support of her crew, and the lessons learned from dealing with blisters and nutrition during long races. In this conversation, Liz Myers shares her experiences and insights from participating in ultra races, particularly her first 200-mile race. She discusses the challenges of sleep deprivation, the mental hurdles faced during long distances, and the unexpected realities of ultra running. Liz also delves into her journey into coaching and podcasting, emphasizing the importance of community and relationships in the sport. The conversation culminates in a heartwarming story of her proposal at the finish line, highlighting the personal motivations that drive ultra runners.
Stay tuned during the post show for a year end recap with Kevin, Peter and Gabe Peterson.

Dec 16, 2024 • 1h 9min
Race Media Coverage & Live-streaming for 200s w/ Chris Worden
In this conversation, Chris Worden shares his journey from a casual runner to becoming a staple in ultra running media coverage. He discusses the evolution of race coverage, particularly for events like Cocodona 250, and the challenges of live streaming such extensive races. Chris emphasizes the importance of storytelling in ultra running, highlighting the diverse experiences of athletes, from elites to back-of-the-pack runners. He also addresses the ethical considerations of race coverage, the impact of technology like Starlink on broadcasting, and the differences in covering long races compared to shorter events. In this conversation, Chris Worden and Peter Noyes discuss the intricacies of race coverage in trail running, the growth of the sport, and the personal experiences that shape their perspectives. They explore the dynamics of covering races like Cocodona and Western States, the emotional moments that resonate with both commentators and viewers, and the future of trail running coverage. The discussion highlights the challenges and joys of bringing these events to a wider audience while emphasizing the importance of supporting all athletes, not just the elites.

Dec 3, 2024 • 54min
Thru-hiking to 200s w/ Kevin Russ
In this conversation, Kevin Russ shares his journey from being a landscape nature photographer to becoming an avid thru-hiker and ultra runner. He discusses the transition from long-distance hiking to ultra running, the mental resilience required for both activities, and the importance of sleep strategies in ultra running. Kevin also delves into how his passion for photography intertwines with his outdoor adventures, and he shares his excitement and concerns about participating in the Cocodona 250 race. In this conversation, Kevin Goldberg shares insights on preparing for ultra-endurance events, particularly focusing on nutrition, the mental challenges of solitude, and the introspective nature of long-distance running. He discusses the logistics of planning for both thru-hiking and ultra running, offering advice for newcomers to the sport. The conversation also touches on essential gear for hiking and running, as well as the importance of mental distractions during long stretches on the trail. Kevin reflects on his personal highs and lows from his experiences, emphasizing the growth and learning that come from these adventures.

Nov 18, 2024 • 1h 15min
Simon Guérard & the Tor Des Geants
In this episode, Simon Guérard shares his experiences and insights from participating in the challenging Tor des Geants, one of the most difficult endurance races in the world. He discusses his journey into ultra running, the importance of mental toughness, pacing strategies, and the unique challenges posed by the race's weather and terrain. Simon also delves into preparation techniques, the significance of sleep and nutrition during long races, and his future aspirations in the world of ultra running.