
Distance To Empty
Distance To Empty will take its audience deep into the world of ultra-endurance running, with a particular focus on races exceeding 200 miles. Through in-depth interviews with athletes, race organizers and sports scientists, the episodes shed light on the unique challenges and strategies involved in tackling these extreme distances. Tune in and learn what it takes to reach your distance to empty.
Latest episodes

Apr 11, 2025 • 18min
Courtney Dauwalter is Flagstaff Bound at the 2025 Cocodona 250
Want to support us? Use code DISTANCE at Janji.com and be sure to select 'podcast' > 'Distance to Empty' on the post purchase "How did you hear about Janji" page. Thank you!Welcome to our Flagstaff Bound series! We'll be hosting this series along with Aravaipa Running in the lead up to the 2025 Cocodona 250.In this episode of Distance to Empty, host Kevin Goldberg and co-host Peter Noyes welcome ultra running legend Courtney Dauwalter to discuss her upcoming participation in the Cocodona 250 race. They explore Courtney's experiences with 200-mile races, the competitive landscape of ultra running, and her unique mindset towards the challenges of long-distance running. The conversation delves into training strategies, the significance of the pain cave, and the anticipation of the race course, culminating in a light-hearted discussion about race day expectations and crew dynamics.

Apr 9, 2025 • 22min
Allison Powell is Flagstaff Bound at the 2025 Cocodona 250
Want to support us? Use code DISTANCE at Janji.com and be sure to select 'podcast' > 'Distance to Empty' on the post purchase "How did you hear about Janji" page. Thank you!Welcome to our Flagstaff Bound series! We'll be hosting this series along with Aravaipa Running in the lead up to the 2025 Cocodona 250.In this episode of Flagstaff Bound, host Kevin Goldberg and co-host Peter Noyes welcome ultra runner Alison Powell, who shares her unique approach to the Cocodona 250 race. Alison discusses her creative race plan, which is themed around popular movies and shows, and how this strategy helps her stay engaged and motivated during the grueling 200-mile race. She also shares insights on her logistical preparations, including a new sleep strategy, and her involvement in empowering women in ultra running. The conversation highlights the importance of community, creativity, and personal enjoyment in endurance sports.

Apr 7, 2025 • 18min
Rachel Entrekin is Flagstaff Bound at the 2025 Cocodona 250
Want to support us? Use code DISTANCE at Janji.com and be sure to select 'podcast' > 'Distance to Empty' on the post purchase "How did you hear about Janji" page. Thank you!Welcome to our Flagstaff Bound series! We'll be hosting this series along with Aravaipa Running in the lead up to the 2025 Cocodona 250.In this episode of Flagstaff Bound, host Kevin Goldberg and co-host Peter Noyes interview defending Cocodona 250 champion Rachel Entrekin as she prepares for her second go. Rachel discusses her training adjustments, lessons learned from last year's race, and her strategies for pacing and nutrition. She emphasizes the importance of crew support and shares her excitement for the upcoming race, while also reflecting on personal goals beyond just placement.

Apr 2, 2025 • 22min
Ryan Sandes is Flagstaff Bound at the 2025 Cocodona 250
Want to support us? Use code DISTANCE at Janji.com and be sure to select 'podcast' > 'Distance to Empty' on the post purchase "How did you hear about Janji" page. Thank you!Welcome to our Flagstaff Bound series! We'll be hosting this series along with Aravaipa Running in the lead up to the 2025 Cocodona 250.In this episode of Flagstaff Bound, host Kevin Goldberg and co-host Peter Noyes interview ultra running legend Ryan Sands as he prepares for his debut at the Cocodona 250. They discuss Ryan's extensive experience in ultra marathons, his training regimen, mental strategies for endurance racing, and the importance of preparation and community in such challenging events. Ryan shares insights on managing sleep, breaking down races into manageable segments, and the excitement of new adventures in his long-running career.

Apr 2, 2025 • 1h 13min
How to Finish the Arizona Monster 300 (w/ Two Dudes Who Haven't Run It)
Want to support us? Use code DISTANCE at Janji.com and be sure to select 'podcast' > 'Distance to Empty' on the post purchase "How did you hear about Janji" page. Thank you!In this episode of the Distance to Empty podcast, host Kevin Goldberg and guest cohost Chad Bruce delve into the inaugural Arizona Monster 300, a 304-mile ultra race through the Sonoran Desert. They provide a detailed course preview, discussing each section's challenges, including elevation changes, aid station locations, and sleep strategies. The conversation emphasizes the importance of preparation, hydration, and pacing, especially given the unique conditions of this race. With insights from their training experiences, they offer valuable tips for both runners and crew members to navigate this epic adventure successfully.

Mar 31, 2025 • 19min
Callie Vinson is Flagstaff Bound at the 2025 Cocodona 250
Want to support us? Use code DISTANCE at Janji.com and be sure to select 'podcast' > 'Distance to Empty' on the post purchase "How did you hear about Janji" page. Thank you!Welcome to our Flagstaff Bound series! We'll be hosting this series along with Aravaipa Running in the lead up to the 2025 Cocodona 250.In this episode of the Distance to Empty podcast, host Kevin Goldberg and co-host Peter Noyes welcome back Callie Vinson, an experienced ultra marathon runner preparing for the Cocodona 250. They discuss Callie's motivations for returning to the race, her mindset and strategies for tackling the challenges of ultra running, and the importance of nutrition and hydration. Callie shares her transition into coaching and how it has enriched her experience in the sport. The conversation also touches on personal growth through racing, gear preparation, and the anticipation of challenges during the race.

Mar 26, 2025 • 17min
Dan Green is Flagstaff Bound at the 2025 Cocodona 250
Want to support us? Use code DISTANCE at Janji.com and be sure to select 'podcast' > 'Distance to Empty' on the post purchase "How did you hear about Janji" page. Thank you!Welcome to our Flagstaff Bound series! We'll be hosting this series along with Aravaipa Running in the lead up to the 2025 Cocodona 250.In this episode of Flagstaff Bound, host Kevin Goldberg and co-host Peter Noyes interview Cocodona 250 hopeful Dan Green. They discuss Dan's journey into ultrarunning, his transition from shorter races to the 200-mile distance, and the unique challenges that come with such a long race. Dan shares his excitement and nervousness about the Cocodona 250, his strategies for sleep and mental resilience, and the physical preparation he has undertaken. The conversation also touches on why Dan chose Cocodona, his anticipation for specific sections of the race, and his thoughts on success beyond just placement.

Mar 24, 2025 • 17min
Kyla Maher is Flagstaff Bound at the 2025 Cocodona 250
Want to support us? Use code DISTANCE at Janji.com and be sure to select 'podcast' > 'Distance to Empty' on the post purchase "How did you hear about Janji" page. Thank you!Welcome to our Flagstaff Bound series! We'll be hosting this series along with Aravaipa Running in the lead up to the 2025 Cocodona 250.In this episode of Flagstaff Bound, host Kevin Goldberg and co-host Peter Noyes chat with Kyla Maha, an athlete manager at Janji and a first-time participant in the Cocodona 250 race (or any 200+ mile race!). In this episode we discuss Kyla's journey into ultra running, her preparations for the race, the importance of crew support, and insights into the course. Kyla shares her mindset shifts, personal goals, and the challenges she anticipates during the race, all while maintaining a light-hearted and humorous tone.

Mar 17, 2025 • 1h
The Iditarod Trail Invitational w/ Mitch Dulleck
Want to support us? Use code DISTANCE at Janji.com and be sure to select 'podcast' > 'Distance to Empty' on the post purchase "How did you hear about Janji" page. Thank you!In this episode of Distance to Empty, host Kevin Goldberg interviews Mitch Dulleck about his experience in the Iditarod Trail Invitational 150. Mitch shares his journey to the race, including his preparation, gear choices, and nutrition strategies for enduring the harsh winter conditions. He discusses the challenges of pacing, sleep strategies, and the unique experience of racing through the night. Mitch reflects on his finish, the adventure of getting home, and his future goals in ultra running, particularly aiming for the ITI 350.

Mar 11, 2025 • 1h 15min
Andy Jones-Wilkins is Running Cocodona 250
In this episode of Distance to Empty, host Kevin Goldberg welcomes ultra runner AJW to discuss his upcoming participation in the Cocodona 250, his journey into 200-mile races, and the unique challenges they present. AJW shares his motivations for stepping up to this distance, including a tribute to his late friend Rob Martin. The conversation delves into training strategies, the importance of sleep management, and the evolving landscape of ultra running, particularly the rise of 200-mile races. AJW also offers insights into the future of the sport and the significance of Cocodona as a premier event in the ultra running community. In this conversation, AJW discusses the rapid rise of the Cocodona 250 race, its impact on the ultra running community, and the increasing popularity of 200-mile races. He shares his personal journey with hip replacements and how it has affected his training and racing. The discussion also touches on coaching strategies for athletes preparing for long-distance races, reflections on AJW's ultra running career, and advice for first-time 200-mile runners.
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