
Inclusive STAGES: Building Healthy Arts Spaces
Inclusive STAGES™ is the podcast for theater makers, creatives, and arts leaders who believe we can build a better industry—one brave, emotionally intelligent, and trauma-informed space at a time. Hosted by Kira Troilo, founder of Art & Soul Consulting, each episode explores what it really takes to create inclusive, healthy creative environments in today’s rapidly changing performing arts landscape.Whether you're a theater artist, an arts administrator, an educator, a creative leader, or a producer, this show will help you answer big questions like:What is inclusive leadership in the arts, and how do I practice it?How can performing arts organizations promote diversity and inclusion?What does “representation matters” mean in theater and beyond?How can venues make performances more accessible?What tools do I need to lead with care—and still make bold, brilliant work?Through honest conversations, industry insights, and practical tools, Inclusive STAGES™ empowers you to reduce burnout, dismantle harmful norms, and build the kinds of creative spaces where everyone can thrive.New episodes every week. Follow now and join the movement toward healthier, more sustainable arts spaces.
Latest episodes

Dec 17, 2024 • 28min
Let's Get Real: Hard Lessons of 2024
Welcome to the Season 2 finale of the Inclusive Stages podcast! 2024 has been a wild ride—it feels like I just started the podcast and it’s surreal to already have two seasons under my belt. Today, I’m going to share my lessons and reflections from 2024 as well as plans for 2025. But before we get into it, I want to share my gratitude—for the people who’ve trusted me, who’ve listened to me and the guests that I've brought on, and who’ve been open to these newer conversations about the nuances of inclusion work in the arts. Thank you!We all know that things don't always work out the way we want them to. I was “supposed to” have done so many things that simply didn’t end up happening in 2024. But! I’ve also done so much that I did and didn’t plan for. Join me as I take a look at some hard truths and moments to celebrate from this year.In this episode, I’m leaning into something uncomfortable that I have people do when I coach them, which is to just show up. So if you find yourself feeling the exhaustion of all that has been 2024, I encourage you to listen to this episode and to take time to reflect on your own year!Grab the links and mentioned resources athttps://www.inclusivestages.com/post/lets-get-real-hard-lessons-of-2024Register Now for our Fall CohortConnect with Kira:@kiratroilo @artandsoulconsulting @inclusivestages"'Black Hair'" Is Hair: An Entertainment Industry Guide WebsiteJoin our mailing list - scroll to the bottom of the pageThanks to our music composer, Zachary McConnell, and our producer, Leah Bryant.

Dec 10, 2024 • 21min
Communicating Our Feelings Through Stories & Zones with Levi Troilo
We’re doing things a little differently. My son Levi Troilo joins me today for a very special episode of the Inclusive Stages podcast!Levi and I love listening to podcasts where parents and children are reading books. We thought it would be fun to read a story and talk about a topic that applies to all kids and adults—the zones of regulation. The zones are especially helpful for improving communication and enabling each of us to talk about our feelings.If you’ve never heard of the zones before, don’t worry! Levi starts us off with an explanation of what they are, then we read the book, and we wrap up by talking about the zones we noticed. We hope you enjoy the show!Grab all the links and resources mentioned in this episode athttps://www.inclusivestages.com/post/the-zones-of-regulation-for-kids-and-parentsConnect with Kira:@kiratroilo @artandsoulconsulting @inclusivestages"'Black Hair'" Is Hair: An Entertainment Industry Guide WebsiteJoin our mailing list - scroll to the bottom of the pageThanks to our music composer, Zachary McConnell, and our producer, Leah Bryant.

Dec 3, 2024 • 26min
Why Everyone Pays When You Wait To Self-Advocate
In theater and in the arts world, self advocacy can feel almost impossible, especially for artists who so often feel they’re replaceable. In a lot of ways, that assumption is true and something we as an industry need to work on changing. Being able to advocate for yourself helps lay the groundwork for inclusion. Waiting to advocate for yourself can lead to a lot more stress, tension, and negative things that make communication difficult. And it leads to issues that can't make for an inclusive environment where people feel safe or supported or empowered. I recently had a personal experience that made me really stop and consider the best way to advocate for our needs without feeling like you're being difficult or rude. I have a way into this conversation that might sound like it's not theater related, but I encourage you to go with me on this. I promise I'll bring it back to theater quickly!Grab all the links and resources mentioned in this episode athttps://www.inclusivestages.com/post/why-everyone-pays-when-you-wait-to-self-advocateRegister Now for our Fall CohortConnect with Kira:@kiratroilo @artandsoulconsulting @inclusivestages"'Black Hair'" Is Hair: An Entertainment Industry Guide WebsiteJoin our mailing list - scroll to the bottom of the pageThanks to our music composer, Zachary McConnell, and our producer, Leah Bryant.

Nov 26, 2024 • 51min
Solving Big World Problems with Inclusive Storytelling with Julie Ann Crommett
EDI (or DEIB) work truly is for all of us! And given how much heat the industry has received recently—it could use a bit of a rebrand. Because representation in storytelling has the power to help us solve big problems in the world! If we let it…With a journey that’s taken her to Harvard, Walt Disney, Google, and even the TEDx stage—Julie Ann Crommett knows just how big of a ripple effect inclusive storytelling can have! In this conversation, Julie Ann shares about the importance of belonging, what the CSI effect is, and the mindset necessary to the success and sustainability of DEIB work.Join Julie Ann and I for a joyful and inspiring conversation about the power of EDI work in the arts—and beyond!Grab all the links and resources mentioned in this episode at: https://www.inclusivestages.com/post/solving-big-world-problems-with-inclusive-storytellingConnect with Julie Ann:InstagramRegister Now for our Fall CohortConnect with Kira:@kiratroilo @artandsoulconsulting @inclusivestages"'Black Hair'" Is Hair: An Entertainment Industry Guide WebsiteJoin our mailing list - scroll to the bottom of the pageThanks to our music composer, Zachary McConnell, and our producer, Leah Bryant.

Nov 19, 2024 • 28min
3 Black Women, 3 Takes: Inclusion Work in 2024
Welcome to a very special episode of the Inclusive Stages podcast. A conversation centered around defining inclusion, creating a shared vision for this work, and establishing a brave space for difficult conversations. Because we can only become stronger and more connected people, organizations, and artists when we learn how to engage in hard conversations. I'm joined by two of my favorite collaborators and incredible colleagues, Zena Collins and Dr. Charmain Jackman. We sit down to discuss the state of inclusion work—especially the big question of how to keep pushing forward as inclusion practitioners despite what’s going on in the world around us.I hope this episode can serve as a model for creating brave spaces built on trust, respect, relationship building, and what it looks like to engage in conversations from that place. Grab all the links and resources mentioned in this episode at: https://www.inclusivestages.com/post/3-black-women-3-takes-inclusion-work-in-2024Connect with Zena:LinkedInConnect with Dr. Charmain:InstagramRegister Now for our Fall CohortConnect with Kira:@kiratroilo @artandsoulconsulting @inclusivestages"'Black Hair'" Is Hair: An Entertainment Industry Guide WebsiteJoin our mailing list - scroll to the bottom of the pageThanks to our music composer, Zachary McConnell, and our producer, Leah Bryant.

Nov 12, 2024 • 50min
The View from the Pit with Music Director Dan Rodriguez
As a music director, Dan Rodriguez knows how critical inclusion is in theater and the arts. It’s critical in often unseen places like the pit, where you’ll find musicians, vocal performers, and the music director. Music directors tend to be with production processes the longest, which means they understand and have a unique position of influence within a show. In this conversation, we discuss Dan’s journey into theater, the importance of trust between performers and music directors, vocal health, and how Dan supports transgender actors. I hope you enjoy the show!Grab all the links and resources mentioned in this episode at: https://www.inclusivestages.com/post/the-music-director-view-from-the-pitRegister Now for our Fall CohortConnect with Kira:@kiratroilo @artandsoulconsulting @inclusivestages"'Black Hair'" Is Hair: An Entertainment Industry Guide WebsiteJoin our mailing list - scroll to the bottom of the pageThanks to our music composer, Zachary McConnell, and our producer, Leah Bryant.

Nov 5, 2024 • 18min
Why ‘Brave Spaces’ In Theater Should Be Non-Negotiable
Brave spaces, I hope you'll agree, aren't a luxury in the arts. They’re a necessity for theater lovers and professionals. Without them, we can't push the boundaries of art and storytelling in a way that's healthy and sustainable. And isn't that what we're all here to do? Create art and theater that's daring and meaningful and makes a difference. There's a lot of wisdom we can take from physically demanding jobs like stunt performers. Join me for this episode, where I’m sharing the 5 specific things we can do to create brave spaces for theater professionals!Grab all the links and resources mentioned in this episode at: https://www.inclusivestages.com/post/Why-Brave-Spaces-In-Theater-Should-Be-Non-NegotiableConnect with Kira:@kiratroilo @artandsoulconsulting @inclusivestages"'Black Hair'" Is Hair: An Entertainment Industry Guide WebsiteJoin our mailing list - scroll to the bottom of the pageThanks to our music composer, Zachary McConnell, and our producer, Leah Bryant.

Oct 29, 2024 • 44min
Run a Thriving Arts Business in a Post-Pandemic Era with Aubrey Bergauer
There’s a business case to be made for theater companies and arts organizations. We need to fill the seats with more dedicated theater lovers and friends. To do that, it’s important to be inclusive of the community we serve, think outside the box, and consider how we can welcome new audience members in a thoughtful, sustainable way. Aubrey Bergauer joins me for this conversation, where she shares more about the math of diversity, the untapped potential of the subscription economy, and the best approach to change management! Enjoy the show, friends!Grab all the links and resources mentioned in this episode at https://www.inclusivestages.com/post/run-a-thriving-arts-business-in-a-post-pandemic-era-with-aubrey-bergauerConnect with Aubrey:InstagramRegister Now for our Fall CohortConnect with Kira:@kiratroilo @artandsoulconsulting @inclusivestages"'Black Hair'" Is Hair: An Entertainment Industry Guide WebsiteJoin our mailing list - scroll to the bottom of the pageThanks to our music composer, Zachary McConnell, and our producer, Leah Bryant.

Oct 15, 2024 • 42min
Inclusive By Design: Costumes, Hair & Working with Gen Z
Being a theater costume designer is about so much more than creating an outfit someone will wear for a performance. It’s about seeing that person, collaborating with them, and empowering them to bring this character to life night after night! Raquel Adorno began as a stage performer and, over time, transitioned into her most impactful role—theater costume designer. She shares about her entire journey—including what it’s been like being a mom and theater professional.Grab all the links and resources mentioned in this episode at https://www.inclusivestages.com/post/professional-theater-costume-designerConnect with Raquel:InstagramWebsiteRegister Now for our Fall CohortConnect with Kira:@kiratroilo @artandsoulconsulting @inclusivestages"'Black Hair'" Is Hair: An Entertainment Industry Guide WebsiteJoin our mailing list - scroll to the bottom of the pageThanks to our music composer, Zachary McConnell, and our producer, Leah Bryant.

Oct 8, 2024 • 50min
EDI That Actually Works for Theater Culture Change with Alexa Smith
There are so many other talented, dedicated, and caring folks out here supporting everyone who brings a production to life. And this conversation is actually the very first time I met Alexa Smith! She’s had a very similar journey to me with acting, motherhood, and EDI consulting. Alexa shares about her early acting career, what led her to become a consultant, and (possibly my favorite topic) how she’s navigated motherhood in the theater industry. Get ready for an amazing conversation, theater friends!Grab the links and mentioned resources athttps://inclusivestages.com/post//motherhood-acting-edi-consultingConnect with Alexa:WebsiteInstagramLinkedInRegister Now for our Fall CohortConnect with Kira:@kiratroilo @artandsoulconsulting @inclusivestages"'Black Hair'" Is Hair: An Entertainment Industry Guide WebsiteJoin our mailing list - scroll to the bottom of the pageThanks to our music composer, Zachary McConnell, and our producer, Leah Bryant.