
Inclusive STAGES: Building Healthy Arts Spaces
Inclusive STAGES™ is the podcast for theater makers, creatives, and arts leaders who believe we can build a better industry—one brave, emotionally intelligent, and trauma-informed space at a time. Hosted by Kira Troilo, founder of Art & Soul Consulting, each episode explores what it really takes to create inclusive, healthy creative environments in today’s rapidly changing performing arts landscape.Whether you're a theater artist, an arts administrator, an educator, a creative leader, or a producer, this show will help you answer big questions like:What is inclusive leadership in the arts, and how do I practice it?How can performing arts organizations promote diversity and inclusion?What does “representation matters” mean in theater and beyond?How can venues make performances more accessible?What tools do I need to lead with care—and still make bold, brilliant work?Through honest conversations, industry insights, and practical tools, Inclusive STAGES™ empowers you to reduce burnout, dismantle harmful norms, and build the kinds of creative spaces where everyone can thrive.New episodes every week. Follow now and join the movement toward healthier, more sustainable arts spaces.
Latest episodes

Jul 15, 2025 • 36min
New Work Needs New Leadership: What We Can Learn from Across the Pond
What if the future of theatre isn’t just about new work, but about new leadership to support it?In this episode, I sit down with Emily Carewe of Theatre503 in London to explore what inclusive theatre leadership really looks like across the pond, and what we can learn from it. From championing debut playwrights to navigating UK arts funding challenges, Emily offers a refreshingly honest take on how small theatres can lead big change.We talk about what it means to stay mission-driven when resources are tight, how to center care without bureaucracy, and why investing in early career artists is a radical act of leadership.🎉 And…we’re officially bringing Inclusive Stages to London this fall for our first international residency! You’ll hear how this collaboration came to life and why this kind of global dialogue is essential to the future of our field.This episode is generous, grounded, and full of insight, reminding us that innovation in leadership often starts at the margins.Enjoy the episode, friends!Check out the show notes and resources at https://www.inclusivestages.com/post/new-work-needs-new-leadership-what-we-can-learn-from-across-the-pondRegister Now for our Fall CohortConnect with Kira:@kiratroilo @artandsoulconsulting @inclusivestages"'Black Hair'" Is Hair: An Entertainment Industry Guide WebsiteJoin our mailing list - scroll to the bottom of the pageThanks to our music composer, Zachary McConnell, and our producer, Leah Bryant.

Jul 8, 2025 • 21min
Harm or Discomfort? How Artists Tell the Difference
What if the tension you’re feeling in the rehearsal room isn’t just about the work, but about how we define harm and discomfort?In this solo episode, I explore the growing disconnect in creative spaces and share a practical tool, the Stoplight System, to help you tune into your body, name what’s really happening, and respond with care. From personal stories to questions that can shift entire conversations, this episode invites you to lead with more clarity, courage, and compassion.This one’s tender, honest, and so needed right now.Enjoy the episode, friends!Check out the show notes and resources at https://www.inclusivestages.com/post/harm-or-discomfort-how-artists-tell-the-differenceConnect with Kira:@kiratroilo @artandsoulconsulting @inclusivestages"'Black Hair'" Is Hair: An Entertainment Industry Guide WebsiteJoin our mailing list - scroll to the bottom of the pageThanks to our music composer, Zachary McConnell, and our producer, Leah Bryant.

Jul 1, 2025 • 45min
Freeing Your Voice & Reimagining “Traditional” Arts Spaces w/ Davin Youngs
Most artists crave authenticity, but what happens when the systems we’re trained in ask us to perform instead of feel?Sound healing artist and singer Davin Youngs joins me to discuss reclaiming one's voice, unlearning perfectionism, and reimagining performance as a space for healing, presence, and transformation. We talk about the ways formal training can limit creative freedom—and how Davin found his way back to joy. This episode is a bold invitation to rethink what performance can be.Enjoy the episode, friends!Check out the full show notes and resources at https://www.inclusivestages.com/post/freeing-your-voice-reimagining-traditional-arts-spacesRegister Now for our Fall CohortConnect with Kira:@kiratroilo @artandsoulconsulting @inclusivestages"'Black Hair'" Is Hair: An Entertainment Industry Guide WebsiteJoin our mailing list - scroll to the bottom of the pageThanks to our music composer, Zachary McConnell, and our producer, Leah Bryant.

Jun 24, 2025 • 48min
What Can We Learn from the Montessori Way
Most theatermakers care about inclusion, but what does it really take to build spaces that center healing, agency, and belonging?Educator and consultant Maati Wafford joins me to explore how the Montessori method, mental health, and DEI work intersect, and what the arts can learn from this powerful approach. We explore the role of adult accountability, the power of prepared environments, and why curiosity (not control) is the key to real change.With a sweet cameo from my son Levi, this episode is both practical and deeply personal.Enjoy the episode, friends!Grab resources, see the full show notes, and more at https://www.inclusivestages.com/post/what-can-we-learn-from-the-montessori-wayRegister Now for our Fall CohortConnect with Kira:@kiratroilo @artandsoulconsulting @inclusivestages"'Black Hair'" Is Hair: An Entertainment Industry Guide WebsiteJoin our mailing list - scroll to the bottom of the pageThanks to our music composer, Zachary McConnell, and our producer, Leah Bryant.

Jun 17, 2025 • 42min
Can Casting Directors Be Inclusive? with Peter Van Dam
What really happens in a Broadway audition room, and how do you get remembered down the line, even if you don’t land the role?Broadway casting director Peter Van Dam joins me to discuss what really goes into casting a show, from open calls that launch careers to the quiet instinct it takes to build a cast that feels right. We explore his journey from a shy kid with a VHS of Mary Poppins to helping shape productions like SIX and Dead Outlaw. Peter shares what casting directors do, how to stand out in auditions, and why inclusive casting is about more than checking boxes; it’s about creating rooms where people belong.This one’s for the artists, the dreamers, and anyone navigating the long game of a career in theater.Enjoy the episode, friends!Check out the full show notes and other resources at https://www.inclusivestages.com/post/can-casting-directors-be-inclusive-with-peter-van-damRegister Now for our Fall CohortConnect with Kira:@kiratroilo @artandsoulconsulting @inclusivestages"'Black Hair'" Is Hair: An Entertainment Industry Guide WebsiteJoin our mailing list - scroll to the bottom of the pageThanks to our music composer, Zachary McConnell, and our producer, Leah Bryant.

Jun 10, 2025 • 37min
What Are Emotionally Intelligent Creative Spaces? with Zena Collins
Most artists are experts at expressing emotions, but that doesn’t mean they’ve been taught how to navigate them offstage.What does it really mean to build emotionally intelligent spaces in the arts?Zena Collins, one-third of the Inclusive STAGES team, joins me to unpack emotional intelligence as a powerful tool for creative leaders. We discuss how emotions function as data, why most of us aren’t as self-aware as we think, and how assessments like the MSCEIT can reveal surprising insights into how we present ourselves in our work.From navigating hypervigilance and burnout to rewriting the stories we tell ourselves, this episode is full of practical takeaways and powerful reflections on what it takes to lead with empathy, clarity, and courage.Enjoy the conversation, friends!Check out the show notes and resources mentioned at https://www.inclusivestages.com/post/what-are-emotionally-intelligent-creative-spaces-with-zena-collinsRegister Now for our Fall CohortConnect with Kira:@kiratroilo @artandsoulconsulting @inclusivestages"'Black Hair'" Is Hair: An Entertainment Industry Guide WebsiteJoin our mailing list - scroll to the bottom of the pageThanks to our music composer, Zachary McConnell, and our producer, Leah Bryant.

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Jun 3, 2025 • 21min
What Are Brave Creative Spaces? (Using the STAGES Framework)
Discover how to transform creative environments with the innovative STAGES Framework. This six-step method promotes psychological safety and collaboration, allowing artists to thrive. Learn how to tackle challenges such as burnout and anxiety within the theater community. Real-life applications, like its use in a production of The Full Monty, showcase the framework's impact in addressing vulnerability and storytelling. Dive into creating rehearsal spaces that truly support risk-taking and foster inclusive artistry.

May 27, 2025 • 47min
What Are Trauma-Informed Creative Spaces? w/ Dr. Jackman
Most theater companies want to support their artists, but many are missing the mark without realizing it.What does it actually mean to create psychologically safe spaces in the arts?There’s a powerful case to be made for prioritizing artists’ mental health—not just because it’s the right thing to do, but because it strengthens the work. When we center psychological safety in our rehearsal rooms, everyone benefits.Dr. Charmain Jackman, part of the Inclusive STAGES program team, joins me for this vital conversation to share more about trauma-informed practices, the emotional toll of performance, and what it really takes to build sustainable spaces in the arts that center wellbeing. From “deroling” techniques to the generational mistrust surrounding mental health care, this episode is packed with insights every arts leader should hear.Enjoy the show, friends!**Please note that this episode mentions sexual assault and suicide, which may be sensitive for some listeners**Grab all the links and resources mentioned in this episode at https://www.inclusivestages.com/post/what-are-trauma-informed-creative-spaces-with-dr-jackmanConnect with Dr. Charmain Jackman:WebsiteInnoPsych IGLinkedIn@askdrcharmain Register Now for our Fall CohortConnect with Kira:@kiratroilo @artandsoulconsulting @inclusivestages"'Black Hair'" Is Hair: An Entertainment Industry Guide WebsiteJoin our mailing list - scroll to the bottom of the pageThanks to our music composer, Zachary McConnell, and our producer, Leah Bryant.

May 20, 2025 • 43min
When a President Attacks a Musical
I’m so excited to have the opportunity to bring you this conversation with the incredible writing team behind "Finn" - Chris Nee, Chris Dimond, and Michael Kooman - for an inspiring discussion about artistic resistance in the face of political censorship. When their critically acclaimed children's musical about a shark who discovers he might be a fish was abruptly canceled at the Kennedy Center following a presidential tweet, these artists refused to be silenced. Instead, they rallied Broadway stars for a sold-out benefit concert that transformed their setback into a powerful movement for artistic freedom and inclusion.This conversation isn't just about one musical - it's about the future of artistic expression in America. Join us in this resistance by supporting local theater, amplifying diverse voices, and refusing to let important stories be silenced. As Chris Nee says, "Don't obey ahead of time" - our art and our communities need us now more than ever.Grab the links and the mentioned resources athttps://www.inclusivestages.com/post/when-a-president-attacks-a-musicalRegister Now for our Fall CohortConnect with Kira:@kiratroilo @artandsoulconsulting @inclusivestages"'Black Hair'" Is Hair: An Entertainment Industry Guide WebsiteJoin our mailing list - scroll to the bottom of the pageThanks to our music composer, Zachary McConnell, and our producer, Leah Bryant.

Feb 18, 2025 • 50min
White House Declares DEI Dead: Here's My Take
In this special episode of Inclusive Stages, host Kira Troilo steps into the guest seat for a candid conversation about the evolving landscape of DEI consulting in theater. Interviewed by her husband Jared, Kira unveils her unique approach to diversity, equity, and inclusion work that builds bridges instead of barriers. As a DEI consultant challenging traditional training methods, she shares powerful insights about creating truly inclusive work practices that go beyond performative representation. Ready to transform your approach to diversity and inclusion? Support accessible DEI training in theater by contributing to the Inclusive Stages scholarship fund at inclusivestages.com/donate, and join the conversation about creating truly inclusive creative spaces.Grab the links and mentioned resources at https://www.inclusivestages.com/post/white-house-declares-DEI-deadRegister Now for our Fall CohortConnect with Kira:@kiratroilo @artandsoulconsulting @inclusivestages"'Black Hair'" Is Hair: An Entertainment Industry Guide WebsiteJoin our mailing list - scroll to the bottom of the pageThanks to our music composer, Zachary McConnell, and our producer, Leah Bryant.