

Talking Sleep
AASM
The vast field of sleep medicine is always evolving. Listen to Talking Sleep, a podcast of the American Academy of Sleep Medicine (AASM), to keep up on the latest developments in clinical sleep medicine and sleep disorders. Our host, Dr. Seema Khosla, medical director of the North Dakota Center for Sleep in Fargo, will take an in-depth look at issues impacting the diagnosis and treatment of sleep disorders. Episodes will feature conversations with clinicians, researchers, sleep team members and other health care experts working to help us sleep well so we can live well.
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Oct 10, 2025 • 50min
Sleep Medicine Disruptors: Innovation Preview
In this bonus episode of Talking Sleep, host Dr. Seema Khosla offers an exclusive preview of the upcoming SleepMedicine Disruptors course, taking place November 14-15 in Austin, Texas. She speaks with Steve Van Hout, executive director of the AASM, and Dr. David White, professor of medicine part time at Harvard Medical School, about the groundbreaking innovations reshaping sleep medicine.
Steve Van Hout explains what makes the Disruptors conference unique compared to other AASM meetings like Trends and the annual SLEEP conference. Designed to bring together clinicians, researchers, technology innovators,and venture capitalists, Disruptors aims to foster cross-industry collaboration and encourage investment in sleep medicine innovations. The conference features innovation award presentations similar to Shark Tank pitches with the audience voting on their favorites, keynote speakers, and discussions about emerging technologies that promise to transform how we diagnose and treat sleep disorders.
Dr. White provides an in-depth preview of his presentation on pharmacotherapy for obstructive sleep apnea, sharing exciting developments in multiple drug candidates. He discusses Apnimed’s AD-109, a combination of atomoxetine and R-oxybutynin, which has completed two phase three studies showing approximately 50% reduction in AHI across six-month and one-year trials involving over 650 patients each. With FDA submission planned for early 2026, this medication could reach the market by late 2026.
The conversation explores other promising agents including Incannex's combination of dronabinol and acetazolamide, carbonic anhydrase inhibitors like sulthiame (recently licensed by Apnimed), and innovative potassium channelantagonists that could be delivered via nasal spray for localized upper airway effects with minimal systemic absorption. Dr. White discusses the potential for poly therapy approaches, combining medications with devices like mandibular advancement devices or positional therapy, drawing parallels to how hypertension and diabetes are managed with multiple treatments.
The episode tackles important questions about the future of sleep medicine: Will pharmacotherapy replace PAP therapy, or will hybrid approaches become standard? What AHI reduction is clinically meaningful for cardiovascularprotection and symptom improvement? How will pricing and insurance coverage affect accessibility? They emphasize that while these medications may not replace CPAP entirely, they offer promising options for patients who struggle with existing therapies.
Whether you're a sleep medicine practitioner interested in emerging treatments, an entrepreneur exploring innovation opportunities, or simply curious about the future of sleep disorder management, this episode provides essential insights into the rapidly evolving landscape of sleep medicine.
Join us for this forward-looking conversation about innovation, investment, and the technologies poised to disrupt traditional sleep medicine practice.

Oct 3, 2025 • 45min
How Sleep Medicine Guidelines Are Created
In this episode of Talking Sleep, host Dr. Seema Khosla sits down with Dr. Anita Shelgikar, current president of the American Academy of Sleep Medicine, neurologist, and sleep fellowship program director at the University of Michigan, for a transparent look at how the AASM makes critical decisions that shape the field of sleep medicine.
Ever wondered how clinical practice guidelines are developed and why updates take so long? Dr. Shelgikar pulls back the curtain on the comprehensive process behind guideline creation, from topic selection to evidence review to final publication. She explains how the AASM prioritizes which guidelines need updating and how members can influence these decisions.
The conversation addresses pressing concerns facing sleep medicine practitioners: the ongoing review of home sleep apnea testing codes, declining reimbursement rates, and the financial viability of sleep medicine practices. Dr. Shelgikar discusses the AASM's advocacy efforts, recent legislative wins and setbacks, and strategies for improving the value proposition of polysomnography in an evolving healthcare landscape.
Looking toward the future, the discussion explores emerging trends including the potential for inpatient sleep medicine services, the shift toward chronic disease management models, and new technologies like acoustic stimulation. Dr. Shelgikar shares insights on how the field might evolve beyond its traditional testing-focused approach and adapt to changing reimbursement structures.
The episode also demystifies AASM governance: How are committees formed and sunset? Why can't every volunteer serve? What happens during board meetings? Is board membership reserved for academics? Dr. Shelgikar provides practical guidance on how members can engage more meaningfully with the organization and influence its direction.
Whether you're a longtime AASM member curious about organizational decision-making or a newer member seeking to understand how to get involved, this episode offers valuable transparency into the processes that shape sleep medicine policy and practice.
Join us for this informative conversation that bridges organizational leadership with frontline clinical concerns in sleep medicine.

Sep 19, 2025 • 57min
Beauty Sleep: How Skin Health and Sleep Are Connected
In this episode of Talking Sleep, host Dr. Seema Khosla welcomes Dr. Faisal Ali, professor of dermatology at the University of Central Lancashire and consultant dermatologist specializing in Mohs micrographic and laser surgery, to explore the fascinating connections between sleep and skin health.
Drawing from recent research published in Clinical and Experimental Dermatology, Dr. Ali explains how sleep serves as a critical regulator of skin physiology, affecting everything from skin surface pH and transepidermal water loss to blood flow and temperature regulation. The conversation delves into the complex interplay of circadian rhythms, hormones, and inflammatory cytokines that govern both sleep patterns and skin homeostasis.
The discussion covers how sleep deprivation accelerates skin aging as an extrinsic factor alongside sun exposure and pollution, with compelling evidence from studies showing that good sleepers have significantly better skin aging scores and improved recovery from UV exposure. Dr. Ali explores the bidirectional nature of this relationship—while poor sleep worsens skin conditions, dermatological disorders like atopic dermatitis, psoriasis, and rosacea can severely disrupt sleep through mechanisms including the itch-scratch cycle and inflammatory processes.
The episode addresses practical clinical concerns including the higher prevalence of sleep disorders in patients with conditions like hidradenitis suppurativa and rosacea, the role of obstructive sleep apnea in various skin conditions, and evidence-based approaches to breaking the itch-scratch cycle that disrupts sleep in dermatological patients.
The conversation also tackles common sleep treatment-related skin issues, from CPAP mask irritation and "maskne" to headgear-induced hair loss, providing practical guidance for managing these complications. Dr. Ali discusses proper skincare routines for CPAP users, including the safety of retinol use under masks and strategies for preventing pressure-related skin breakdown.
Whether you're a sleep medicine practitioner encountering dermatological complaints, a dermatologist treating patients with sleep disruption, or simply interested in optimizing both sleep and skin health, this episode provides evidence-based insights into this often-overlooked connection.
Join us for this comprehensive discussion that bridges dermatology and sleep medicine to enhance patient care and understanding.

Sep 5, 2025 • 1h
ASV Algorithms & Central Sleep Apnea Management
In this episode of Talking Sleep, host Dr. Seema Khosla welcomes Dr. Imran Iftikhar and Dr. Rami Khayat to discuss groundbreaking research on adaptive servo-ventilation (ASV) and the newly released AASM clinical practice guidelines for central sleep apnea treatment.
Dr. Iftikhar presents his innovative approach to analyzing ASV data through meta-analysis combined with trial sequential analysis, offering fresh insights into the statistical reliability of existing research beyond traditional systematic reviews. His work addresses lingering questions about ASV efficacy and safety that have persisted since the controversial SERVE-HF trial results challenged previous assumptions about this therapy.
Meanwhile, Dr. Khayat, who served as vice-chair of the AASM task force, walks through the comprehensive evidence-based recommendations covering the full spectrum of central sleep apnea treatments. The guidelines address critical clinical decisions: When should CPAP be used over no treatment? Who requires BPAP with backup rates? Why does the task force recommend against BPAP without backup rates for central sleep apnea? What role do oxygen, acetazolamide, and transphrenic nerve stimulation play in treatment algorithms?
The conversation delves into practical considerations including differences between ASV device algorithms from various manufacturers, the clinical impact of current device availability issues, and findings from Dr. Parthasarathy's bench study. The experts tackle the complex question of ASV use in patients with reduced ejection fraction and clarify important distinctions between primary central sleep apnea and treatment-emergent central sleep apnea (TECSA).
This episode addresses the evolving landscape of central sleep apnea management, helping clinicians navigate evidence-based treatment decisions in an era of changing technology and updated safety considerations.
Whether you're treating patients with heart failure, complex sleep-disordered breathing, or emerging central events during PAP therapy, this episode provides essential guidance for optimizing care.
Join us for this comprehensive update that translates complex research findings into practical clinical applications.

Aug 22, 2025 • 1h 7min
Sleep Disorders in Military Veterans
In this episode of Talking Sleep, host Dr. Seema Khosla welcomes Dr. Greg Burek, a psychiatrist and former Marine, and Dr. Dmitriy Kogan, associate professor of medicine at the Medical College of Wisconsin and program director for the sleep medicine fellowship program, to discuss the unique sleep challenges facing military veterans and first responders.
The conversation explores how military and first responder training fundamentally changes individuals, creating an "adrenaline-focused" mindset that profoundly impacts their relationship with sleep and health. Dr. Burek provides insider insights into the stages of military service and the concept of "sacrifice" as a unifying characteristic among veterans, while explaining why many veterans may minimize or dismiss their service experiences.
The guests introduce the BRAVE program, an innovative initiative designed specifically for military veterans and first responders to address the "invisible wounds of service"—PTSD and TBI—and their complex interactions with sleep disorders. Unlike traditional VA programs, BRAVE takes a specialized approach to understanding how military culture and experiences create unique sleep medicine challenges.
The discussion covers critical clinical topics including insomnia management in veterans, the frequent use of clonidine as a treatment option, REM behavior disorder presentations that may differ from civilian populations, and the intricate relationships between PTSD, TBI, sleep-disordered breathing, and nightmare disorders. The experts address whether these sleep disturbances stem from combat trauma, brain injury, or the military experience itself.
This episode provides essential insights for healthcare providers treating veterans, including practical approaches to asking about TBI history, understanding military culture's impact on patient care, and recognizing when specialized referrals may be beneficial.
Whether you're a sleep medicine practitioner, mental health professional, or healthcare provider serving veteran populations, this episode offers valuable perspectives on culturally competent care for those who have served.
Join us for this enlightening discussion that bridges military culture and sleep medicine to improve care for our veterans and first responders.

Aug 8, 2025 • 39min
OSA and PLMD
In this discussion, Dr. Gulcin Benbir, a neurology professor from Turkey specializing in sleep disorders, and Dr. Lourdes Del Rosso, a UCSF sleep physician and RLS guidelines task force member, shine a light on periodic limb movement disorder (PLMD). They reveal that 30% of patients with obstructive sleep apnea still experience significant limb movements even after treatment. The duo explores the relationship between PLMD and restless legs syndrome, iron levels' role in treatment, and whether PLMs are merely symptoms or contributors to more serious health issues.

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Jul 25, 2025 • 36min
Predicting RBD Phenoconversion via Autonomic Reflex Testing
Dr. Luca Baldelli, a neurologist from the University of Bologna and Treasurer-Elect of the International REM Sleep Behavior Disorder Study Group, sheds light on groundbreaking research in predicting neurodegenerative diseases among RBD patients. He discusses how simple autonomic reflex tests can identify those at higher risk for conditions like Parkinson's disease. The conversation highlights the significance of monitoring cardiovascular autonomic dysfunction and explores practical applications for clinicians in managing RBD, potentially transforming patient prognoses.

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Jul 11, 2025 • 32min
Zolpidem and the Glymphatic System
Dr. Natalie Hauglund, a postdoctoral fellow at the University of Oxford, discusses her groundbreaking research on zolpidem and its effects on the glymphatic system, vital for brain waste clearance. Her study reveals that zolpidem reduces this process by 30%, raising concerns about long-term cognitive health. They delve into the unexpected benefits of microarousals during sleep, linking them to better brain clearance. Hauglund challenges current prescribing practices, questioning the trade-offs between medicated sleep and potential neurodegenerative risks.

Jun 27, 2025 • 57min
Teledentistry
In this episode of Talking Sleep, Drs. Michelle Cantwell and Aaron Glick discuss the updated American Academy of Dental Sleep Medicine (AADSM) Standards for Practice.
Dr. Michelle Cantwell received her DMD through the University of Pittsburgh's School of Dental Medicine, where she also completed a three-year residency in prosthodontics. Following dental school, she served as a lieutenant commander in the US Navy. She is a diplomate of the ABDSM and the president-elect of the AADSM. She works in the pulmonary and sleep medicine department of WellSpan Health.
Aaron Glick, DDS, FAGD, FICOI, D.ABDSM, is a dentist who has committed his practice to dental sleep medicine. He has been recognized as a “Top 10 Dentist to Watch” and works clinically utilizing teledentistry for efficient patient care. Dr. Glick educates fellow practitioners as the Mastery Program Director at the American Academy of Dental Sleep Medicine, focusing on mandibular advancement devices. Additionally, he is on the faculty at the University of Texas Health Science Center at Houston School of Dentistry. He actively lectures nationally and publishes on obstructive sleep apnea and technology. He enjoys all technologies and has a medical device and software programming background

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May 16, 2025 • 46min
Exploring the Connection Between Sleep and ADHD
In this episode of Talking Sleep, host Dr. Seema Khosla welcomes Dr. Jared Saletin, a sleep researcher investigating the complex relationship between sleep and Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD).
While ADHD diagnostic criteria don't currently include sleep assessment, Dr. Saletin's groundbreaking research reveals how sleep quality and timing may significantly impact attention, particularly in children. Through fMRI studies and clinical observations, he explores whether sleep loss exacerbates ADHD symptoms or might even present as ADHD-like behavior in some cases.
The conversation delves into fascinating questions: Are people with ADHD more sensitive to sleep deprivation? Can improving sleep habits reduce ADHD symptoms? How do common sleep disorders like obstructive sleep apnea intersect with attention disorders? Dr. Saletin shares practical strategies for protecting sleep in children with attention challenges, including potential educational accommodations.
Whether you're a healthcare provider, parent, educator, or simply interested in understanding the sleep-attention connection, this episode offers valuable insights into how addressing sleep might be a crucial component in managing ADHD effectively.
Join us for this enlightening discussion as we explore how sleep might be a modifiable risk factor in ADHD, providing new hope for better management strategies.