
The Game Changing Attorney Podcast with Michael Mogill
How can you become a game changer?Michael Mogill, Founder and CEO of Crisp, has used his mastery of marketing for lawyers to grow his company to an 8-figure powerhouse. In just a few years, Crisp has helped thousands of attorneys adapt to the new legal landscape, differentiate themselves from the competition, and earn millions in new revenue.In every episode, you’ll hear from law firm entrepreneurs and market leaders — people who flourish in the face of adversity, challenge the status quo, and define what it means to be a game changer.We investigate success stories and business growth and scalability strategies that can help you attract your ideal clients. Plus, discover hidden insights and actionable advice on how company culture and employee engagement, marketing and advertising, and management and hiring fit into the big picture.What do all our guests have in common? These successful attorneys and business owners prove that the key to innovation is a game-changing mindset. If you want to run your law firm like an entrepreneur, achieve a greater ROI, and build a world-class organization that stands the test of time, then you’re in good company.Subscribe to the Game Changing Attorney Podcast and get ready to take your business to the next level.For more information, visit https://www.crisp.co/podcast/
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Jul 4, 2024 • 43min
278. Adam Alter — From Stuck to Unstoppable: Gaining and Keeping Momentum [Encore Edition]
Are you tired of feeling stuck and watching your competitors soar? What if you could transform every setback into a stepping stone for unprecedented growth in your law firm?In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Adam Alter, New York Times best-selling author and professor at NYU's Stern School of Business. Adam has mastered the art of getting unstuck and developed the algorithm to achieve game changing breakthroughs.After listening to this episode, you’ll know how to:
Harness the power of progress to turn small steps into big victories
Foster a culture of innovation and experimentation in your law firm
Avoid the pitfalls that get most people stuck
----Show Notes:00:00 – Introduction02:32 – Why Adam Alter wrote Anatomy of a Breakthrough03:31 – What it means to be stuck04:37 – The first step to getting unstuck08:03 – How to break through plateaus and grow where others peak11:34 – Why struggles and challenges can be good things15:30 – The difference between learning from failure and just making bad decisions18:10 – How embracing “beginnerhood” can make you an expert22:53 – The role that luck plays in success25:43 – The dangers of being stubborn and how to avoid these traps30:13 – Why people overestimate the novelty of their ideas34:26 – How to create a culture of experimentation and innovation40:01 – The best thing to do when you’re stuck42:24 – What being a game changer means to Adam Alter----Links & Resources
Anatomy of a Breakthrough by Adam Alter (Book)
NCAA
Dave Berkoff
Sam Snead
Joe Bernal
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#180 Seth Godin – Putting Your Best Work Out Into the World
#116 Steven Kotler – Harnessing Neuroscience for Peak Performance
#237 AMMA – Breaking Out of Complacency: Transformation Through Innovation

Jul 2, 2024 • 41min
277. Garrett Gunderson— Transform Your Financial Future: Proven Methods for Building Lasting Wealth
Financial expert Garrett Gunderson shares strategies for building lasting wealth and legacy, debunking mainstream financial advice myths and emphasizing the importance of financial management skills. Learn how to transfer wealth across generations, avoid entitlement, and optimize life insurance for wealth building. Discover the value of focusing on core business, strategic investments, and financial discipline to achieve financial independence and create a legacy that endures.

Jun 27, 2024 • 24min
276. AMMA — The Myth of Work-Life Balance: What Law Firm Owners Need to Know
Think work-life integration is impossible to obtain? Michael Mogill reveals why achieving it might be simpler than you think — if you're willing to make some tough choices.In this no-holds-barred episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael dismantles the myths surrounding delegation, burnout, and stress management. If you're a law firm owner struggling to juggle it all, this episode is your wake-up call. Tune in and learn:
Why your inability to delegate is not only exhausting you but also stunting your firm's growth
Actionable strategies to trust your team, reclaim your energy, and build a resilient culture that thrives under pressure
How stress can be the single most powerful driver of performance and results
----Show Notes:03:24 – How to trust your team more and delegate effectively05:09 – The 2 common problems when it comes to delegating07:41 – The right way to delegate a task or project to your team09:39 – Tips for achieving better personal and professional balance12:32 – Why balance is earned and how to achieve it throughout your journey15:44 – How to build a team that handles stress better17:07 – Why stress is the ultimate performance enhancer19:23 – How the most successful trial lawyers manage stress----Links & Resources
Dan Martell
Buy Back Your Time (Book)
Netflix
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#187 Dan Martell – How to Buy Back Your Time
#223 Chad Willardson – How to Achieve Financial Freedom
#203 AMMA – How to Know if You’re NOT Cut Out for Entrepreneurship

Jun 25, 2024 • 44min
275. Kim Scott — The Power of Radical Respect
Are you unknowingly sabotaging your team's potential and fostering a toxic work environment?Kim Scott, the brilliant mind behind "Radical Candor," is back with a game changing blueprint: "Radical Respect." This isn't just another leadership book — it's a wake-up call. If you're ignoring bias, prejudice, and bullying in your workplace, you're not just failing as a leader. You're actively harming your team's performance and innovation.In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Kim returns and joins Michael Mogill to share:
How to be respectful and respected at your law firm
The fine line between healthy conflict and unjust bullying
The winning combination of respecting individuality and facilitating collaboration
----Show Notes:02:40 – What does Radical Respect mean?07:32 – How to disambiguate disrespect09:30 – How to address bias, prejudice, and bullying15:51 – The three crucial consequences leaders must use for disrespectful team members19:19 – The line between unjust bullying and normal conflict20:43 – How to be an upstander in a world of bystanders23:22 – The real reason people don’t speak up and how to disrupt the silence default26:25 – How to become aware of your unconscious biases31:13 – What to do when you offend someone35:47 – The four quadrants across respecting individuality and fostering collaboration40:23 – How to start applying the Radical Respect framework to your business41:24 – What being a game changer means to Kim Scott----Links & Resources
Radical Candor (Book)
Episode #25 of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast
Bob Sutton
Russ Laraway
Thinking Fast and Slow (Book)
The Radical Respect Podcast
Follow Kim on LinkedIn
Radical Respect (Book)
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#162 Kim Scott – Radical Candor: How to Be a Kick-Ass Boss
#245 Sheila Heen – How to Master Difficult Conversations
#185 AMMA – How to Recognize, Reward, and Motivate Your Team

Jun 20, 2024 • 25min
274. AMMA — How to Build a Culture of Gratitude
In today's challenging economic landscape, leading a law firm requires more than just strategic acumen — it demands heart, resilience, and a deep commitment to cultivating a culture of gratitude.Crisp Founder & CEO Michael Mogill returns in this AMMA edition of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast to share his invaluable insights on how to keep your team motivated and appreciative, even when times are tough.Join him and learn:
The importance of transparency and vulnerability in leadership
Actionable strategies for fostering continuous recognition and appreciation within your firm
How to transform your team’s entitled attitudes into engaged commitment
----Show Notes:03:45 – Why you’d be foolish to miss the Game Changers Summit06:51 – How to cultivate gratitude amongst your team during tough times08:27 – Why leading with clarity is critical during trying times10:51 – How to determine who’s really in the foxhole with you12:02 – How to incorporate meaningful gratitude on a frequent basis14:07 – Why showing your thanks doesn’t have to break the bank16:30 – The difference between demanding gratitude and fostering appreciation18:43 – How to make your team more grateful21:39 – What happens when you give and expect thanks----Links & Resources
The 2024 Invitation-Only Game Changers Summit
Bonusly
Slack
Nick Saban
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#191 Joey Coleman – How to Never Lose an Employee Again
#188 Liz Wiseman – How to Build a Team of Impact Players
#189 AMMA – How to Preserve Your Culture While Scaling Your Law Firm

Jun 18, 2024 • 45min
273. David Laborde & Digger Earles — Grit and Growth: The Laborde Earles Blueprint for Success
What if you could transform your small-town law practice into a legal powerhouse, dominating a highly competitive market and redefining client service standards?David Laborde and Digger Earles have done just that.By embracing relentless reinvestment, mastering the art of delegation, and leveraging innovative marketing strategies — including partnerships with NFL stars — they’ve built a legal empire from the ground up. Their journey from rural Louisiana roots to becoming legal titans is nothing short of inspiring.In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, David and Digger join Michael Mogill to discuss:
How to scale your law firm while maintaining an unparalleled client experience
The importance of community-centric values
Why betting on yourself is the ultimate key to success
----Show Notes:02:14 – David Laborde & Digger Earle’s humble beginnings in rural Louisiana03:14 – The Laborde Earles family dynamic04:40 – The non-traditional route to entering the practice of law06:41 – The catalytic case that sparked a transformational partnership07:52 – How to develop a trusting and respectful relationship as co-owners11:44 – Lessons learned and mistakes made in the early years of Laborde Earles13:51 – Why investments in yourself offer the greatest guaranteed ROI15:24 – Laborde Earles’s evolution of marketing innovation18:42 – Balancing family commitments with building a business21:10 – How to craft a client-centric brand and differentiate from larger advertisers23:32 – How to scale your law firm by delegating and systematizing client experience26:13 – Laborde Earles’s core values29:36 – The All Sevens marketing campaign31:51 – Partnering with NFL teams and players33:33 – Becoming hometown heroes and building a culture that gives back to the community36:34 – The future of Laborde Earles Injury Lawyers38:45 – A day in the life of David Laborde & Digger Earles41:19 – What being a game changer means to David Laborde and Digger Earles ----Links & Resources
Laborde Earles Injury Lawyers
BP Oil Spill
You Can’t Teach Hungry by John Morgan
Litify
New Orleans Saints
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#114 Nick Rowley – Confronting Conflict & Disrupting the Status Quo
#174 Joey Coleman – How to Never Lose a Client Again
#157 AMMA – Perfect Your Clients’ Experiences & Avoid Being Average

Jun 13, 2024 • 36min
272. Eric Chaffin — Doing Good by Doing Right [Encore Edition]
The real game changers aren’t just the ones who talk a good game — they’re the ones who take decisive action and make a tangible impact in their communities and with their clients.If your team isn’t genuinely committed to doing the right thing every single time…you’re on a fast track to mediocrity and missed opportunities.Eric Chaffin, Co-Founder and Managing Partner of Chaffin Luhana, knows this all too well. His firm has achieved over $1B in verdicts and settlements because they live and breathe their motto, “Doing Good By Doing Right.” In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Eric and Michael Mogill sit down to discuss:
The origin and power of the firm’s guiding principle
The critical need for a team that fully embraces and believes in your firm’s vision
Why empathy is the secret weapon that separates great trial attorneys from the merely good ones
----Show Notes:02:35 – Eric Chaffin's Early Life and Influences03:16 – Overcoming Trauma and Finding Purpose04:46 – Educational Journey and Early Career05:12 – Lessons from Running a Pizza Shop06:21 – Law School and Early Legal Career08:10 – Corporate Defense to Federal Prosecutor11:58 – Starting a Law Firm with Aligned Values16:53 – A Call for Compassion17:45 – The Lure of Mass Torts19:33 – Client Experience Focus22:12 – Community Engagement24:05 – Endurance Sports Journey29:34 – Defining Success and Overcoming Challenges31:26 – Future of the Legal Profession33:13 – What Being a Game Changer Means to Eric Chaffin----Links & Resources
West Virginia University
Chaffin Luhana, LLP
Crisp
Najee Harris
Black Lives Matter
MeToo Movement
The Magic of Thinking Big by David J. Schwartz
Giftology by John Ruhlin
Ironman Triathlon
Peloton
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#106 David Craig – How to Build a Legal Legacy
#146 Rex Elliott – How to Transform Adversity Into Opportunities
#189 AMMA – How to Preserve Culture While Scaling Your Law Firm

Jun 11, 2024 • 24min
271. AMMA — Building a Bullet-Proof Brand
In this cutthroat legal market, relying on a single way to get new clients, such as referrals or pay-per-client advertising, won't cut it. Firms that dominate their market have mastered the art of brand differentiation and community presence. If you want your practice to become the obvious choice for clients in need, you have to have a robust marketing strategy that consistently puts your law firm’s name in front of your ideal clients.In Episode 271 of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill delve into the essence of how you can build a bullet-proof brand. If you're not actively setting your firm apart, you're not just blending in — you're fading into obscurity.Tune in to learn how to make your brand unforgettable.----Show Notes:02:52 – How to get your question answered on an episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast04:13 – How to create a brand identity that stands out from the competition07:12 – How to craft a unique value proposition to connect with your ideal clients10:15 – How to build a client-service-focused brand identity12:38 – How to create content that showcases your commitment to your clients and community14:30 – How to build a personal brand and establish yourself as a legal thought leader17:06 – Why you will never become an authority overnight----Links & Resources
The Game Changing Attorney by Michael Mogill
LinkedIn
Taylor Swift
Facebook
Instagram
TikTok
YouTube
Timothée Chalamet
Timothée Chalamet’s YouTube Channel (@ModdedController360)
Joe Fried
David Craig
After the Crash Podcast
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#9 Joe Friend – How to Hyper-Specialize and Dominate Your Niche
#39 Ryan Deiss – Truth over Tactics and Marketing Strategies that Actually Work
#150 AMMA – The 3 Critical Components to Effective Legal Marketing

Jun 6, 2024 • 51min
270. Sean Claggett — Fewer Cases, More Success: How Focused Work Leads to Bigger Wins [Encore Edition]
What if you could consistently predict trial outcomes and secure life-changing verdicts for your clients? Sean Claggett has cracked the code. By focusing intensely on a few key cases and harnessing the power of big data and focus groups, he’s transformed the trial landscape, winning multiple eight-figure verdicts. It’s a formula with a proven record of success — allowing them to win multiple eight-figure and life-changing cases for Sean’s clients.In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Sean and Michael Mogill discuss:
The next-level methods to leverage big data for predictable trial verdicts and settlements
The critical importance of leading by example to cultivate an elite trial team
The meticulous preparation tactics that set the most successful trial attorneys apart
----Show Notes:02:20 – Sean Claggett's Journey to Becoming a Lawyer05:53 – Growing Up and Moving to Vegas09:03 – The Vegas Community and Its Resilience11:17 – Leadership and Work Ethic in Law14:14 – The Making of a Great Trial Lawyer19:22 – The Role of Focus Groups in Trial Preparation23:35 – The Early Struggles and Entrepreneurial Ventures24:40 – Discovering the System for Success25:39 – The Turning Point: 2012 and Beyond28:39 – The Lowe's Case: A Game Changer29:24 – The Importance of Focus Groups33:49 – Predicting Verdicts with Data40:12 – The Emotional Toll of Trial Law43:32 – The Drive to Make a Difference----Links & Resources
Rules of the Road by Rick Friedman
David Ball on Damages: A Plaintiff’s Attorney’s Guide to Personal Injury and Wrongful Death Cases
Reptile: The 2009 Manual of the Plaintiff’s Revolution
Challenged Athletes Foundation
Republic Services wrongful death trial
Claggett & Sykes Law Firm
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#209 Mark Lanier – Achieving Multi-Billion Dollar Verdicts
#178 Brian Panish – The Making of Champion Trial Lawyers
#135 John Morgan – The Greatest Threats to the Legal Industry

Jun 4, 2024 • 37min
269. Jan Dils — Leading the Largest Female-Founded Law Firm in America [Encore Edition]
Imagine a world without women.It's impossible, right? Women are the unsung superheroes in the office, at home, and everywhere in between. Whether it's late nights or early mornings, they relentlessly pursue the respect they deserve — and Jan Dils is leading that charge.As the owner of the largest female-founded law firm in America, Jan is committed to changing lives with an unwavering sense of responsibility and resilience.In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jan delve into:
Turning criticism into growth fuel
Why work-life balance is a myth
Scaling your impact to leave a lasting legacy
----Show Notes:02:27 – Jan Dils’s origin story05:03 – How Jan got thrown into the deep end, trying cases the week she graduated from law school06:38 – What gravitated Jan towards Social Security & Disability law08:19 – The risks and investments required to run a volume practice09:19 – Jan’s establishment as a legal advertising trailblazer10:34 – Creating the legendary jingle: “She won’t take no for an answer”13:26 – Facing and overcoming sexism in the legal industry15:18 – Why the State Supreme Court tried to disbar Jan for marketing18:13 – How Jan Dils expanded her law firm outside of West Virginia19:00 – Jan’s 15-hour days and the work-life balance myth22:05 – Jan’s motivation to grow her law firm despite setbacks and sacrifices23:33 – Facing and overcoming the greatest setback of all: a breast cancer diagnosis24:49 – How to truly scale a law firm27:09 – The importance of culture at Jan Dils, Attorneys at Law29:14 – Jan’s advice to female law firm leaders31:07 – Jan’s approach to motherhood and definition of success33:24 – The Better Human Goal34:08 – What being a game changer means to Jan Dils----Links & Resources
Jan Dils, Attorneys at Law
Crisp
West Virginia
Jingle
Charleston Gazette
LSAT
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#107 Randi McGinn: Trial Attorney and Senior Partner at McGinn, Montoya, Love & Curry
#137 Camille Vasquez: Johnny Depp’s Attorney in the 2022 Defamation Trial against Amber Heard
#102 Laura Wasser: Elite Celebrity Divorce Attorney and Partner at Wasser, Cooperman & Mandles
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