
The Game Changing Attorney Podcast with Michael Mogill
How can you become a game changer?Michael Mogill, Founder and CEO of Crisp, has used his mastery of marketing for lawyers to grow his company to an 8-figure powerhouse. In just a few years, Crisp has helped thousands of attorneys adapt to the new legal landscape, differentiate themselves from the competition, and earn millions in new revenue.In every episode, you’ll hear from law firm entrepreneurs and market leaders — people who flourish in the face of adversity, challenge the status quo, and define what it means to be a game changer.We investigate success stories and business growth and scalability strategies that can help you attract your ideal clients. Plus, discover hidden insights and actionable advice on how company culture and employee engagement, marketing and advertising, and management and hiring fit into the big picture.What do all our guests have in common? These successful attorneys and business owners prove that the key to innovation is a game-changing mindset. If you want to run your law firm like an entrepreneur, achieve a greater ROI, and build a world-class organization that stands the test of time, then you’re in good company.Subscribe to the Game Changing Attorney Podcast and get ready to take your business to the next level.For more information, visit https://www.crisp.co/podcast/
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Dec 6, 2022 • 27min
137. Camille Vasquez — Authenticity Is The Advantage
There were plenty of big names that took the Game Changers Summit 2022 stage, but there was one that took the legal community — and the entire world — by storm.Camille Vasquez is the attorney best known for representing Johnny Depp in his 2022 defamation trial against his ex-wife Amber Heard. As the trial captivated audiences everywhere and Depp received the winning verdict, Ms. Vasquez became an overnight celebrity in her own right. Now, on this special episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast recorded LIVE at the 2022 Game Changers Summit, you’ll get the chance to get to know her on a deeper level, including:
Her strategic navigation of one of the most publicized trials in history
How great privilege comes with great responsibility
Why she believes authenticity is the ultimate advantage
Links & Resources:
Episode Shownotes
Game Changers Summit
Robert Shapiro
Ben Chew
OJ Simpson Murder Case
Johnny Depp
Amber Heard
Johnny Depp v. Amber Heard Defamation Case

Nov 29, 2022 • 27min
136. The Law Firm of the Future: Live from the Game Changers Summit 2022
In this special episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast recorded live from the Game Changers Summit, these four lawyers let you in on their top lessons and predictions:
Anthony Johnson, America’s Techiest Lawyer
Bob Tharp, Founding Partner of Meriwether & Tharp
Alexander Shunnarah, CEO of Alexander Shunnarah Trial Attorneys
Eric Chaffin, Co-Founder & Managing Partner of Chaffin Luhana
Links & Resources
Episode Show Notes
Game Changers Summit
Wall Street
Attorney Group
Meriwether & Tharp, LLC
Chaffin Luhana, LLP
Alexander Shunnarah Trial Attorneys

Nov 22, 2022 • 35min
135. John Morgan — How to Build a Law Firm That Works
There’s no denying the fact that John Morgan, Founder of Morgan & Morgan, has made a name for himself growing America’s largest personal injury law firm.In this special episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast recorded LIVE at the Game Changers Summit, you’ll get to know him — and his business philosophy — on a deeper level.Get ready to hear all about:
John Morgan’s rise to legal fame
The great threats to the legal industry
How luck plays an important role in becoming the best — but it’s not everything
Links & Resources
Episode Shownotes
Kentucky Wildcats
John Calipari
Boston Red Sox
Warren Buffett
Oprah Winfrey
Google
LeBron James
Russell Westbrook
Carrabba’s
You Can’t Teach Hungry: Creating the Multimillion Dollar Firm by John Morgan
Joe Fried
President Joe Biden
Nick Saban
Tom Brady

Nov 15, 2022 • 33min
134. Legal Leaders: Live from The Game Changers Summit
The best way to grow is to learn from others who have been where you want to go, and that’s exactly what the attendees at the Game Changers Summit 2022 did. Law firm owners present at the #1 Law Firm Growth Conference on Earth learned from the experiences of four leading lawyers in the country — setting them up to apply their success lessons to their own lives.On this special episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, dive into these incredible stories, live from the Summit. Get ready to hear from:
Jan Dils, Founder & CEO of Jan Dils, Attorneys at Law
Joe Fried, Renowned Trucking Attorney at Fried Goldberg
John Uustal, Founder of Kelley | Uustal
Laura Wasser, Entrepreneur & Elite Divorce Attorney
Links & Resources
Episode Show Notes
Game Changers Summit 2022
Fried Goldberg LLC
Jan Dils, Attorneys at Law
Waser, Cooperman & Mandles
Kelley | Uustal

Nov 8, 2022 • 1h 24min
133. Summit Spectacular: Part 2
The Game Changers Summit 2022 is officially in the books, and a great time was had by all 5,000+ law firm owners in attendance. But just because the Summit itself is over doesn’t mean that we’re done talking about it.Welcome to Part 2 of the Summit Spectacular on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast. Take a look back on some of these iconic episodes from some of our featured speakers, such as:
Andre Norman, Author & Founder of Academy of Hope
John Morgan, Founder of Morgan & Morgan, America’s Largest Injury Firm
Laura Wasser, Entrepreneur & Elite Divorce Attorney
Jesse Cole, Founder of the Savannah Bananas
Jessica Mogill, Head of Coaching Strategy at Crisp
Anthony Johnson, America’s Techiest Lawyer
Joe Fried, Renowned Trucking Attorney at Fried Goldberg
Links & Resources
Episode Show Notes
Game Changers Summit
Crisp
Harvard University
Morgan & Morgan
Wasser, Cooperman & Mandles
The Savannah Bananas
Attorney Group
Fried Goldberg, LLC

Nov 1, 2022 • 1h 8min
132. Summit Spectacular: Part 1
The Game Changers Summit is a powerful catalyst for law firm owners all over the country. To get everyone in the spirit of transformation, we’re highlighting intimate conversations with some of our most highly-anticipated Summit speakers.On this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, get to know legends in the legal industry and beyond, such as:
Michael Mogill, Founder & CEO of Crisp
Cy Wakeman, Workplace Drama & Leadership Expert
Kevin O’Leary, Investor on ABC’s Shark Tank
Jan Dils, Founder & CEO of Jan Dils, Attorneys at Law
Eric Chaffin, Co-Founder and Managing Partner of Chaffin Luhana LLP
Bob Tharp, Founding Partner of Meriwether & Tharp, LLC
Alexander Shunnarah, Founder & CEO of Alexander Shunnarah Trial Attorneys
Links & Resources
Episode Show Notes
Game Changers Summit
Crisp
Reality-Based Leadership
Shark Tank
Chaffin Luhana LLP
Giftology: The Art and Science of Using Gifts to Cut Through the Noise, Increase Referrals, and Strengthen Retention by John Ruhlin
Meriwether & Tharp, LLC
Alexander Shunnarah Trial Attorneys
Jan Dils, Attorneys at Law

Oct 25, 2022 • 45min
131. Alex Repas — The Operator: Every Successful CEO’s Right Hand
Many of you have heard the story of how Crisp came to be. Founder & CEO Michael Mogill started it with only $500 to his name, and today it’s recognized as the #1 law firm growth company in America.But Michael obviously didn’t build this company completely on his own, so what’s his secret?Meet Alex Repas, Chief Operating Officer of Crisp and the person who keeps the company running smoothly day in and day out. While Michael is out delivering keynotes at conferences, connecting with clients, and expanding the vision for the organization, Alex is all-in at the office making sure every department is on track with their personal goal as well as Crisp’s.On this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, find out what makes Alex a worthy COO, as well as:
What attracted her to Crisp in the first place
Why productivity from all departments is vital to the success of the company
How to find your own COO
Links & Resources:
Baltimore Ravens
Iraq War
Crisp
Fortune 500 Companies
Jessica Mogill
Game Changers Summit
Salesforce
Slack
Minority Report
COVID-19 Pandemic
Episode Show Notes

Oct 18, 2022 • 42min
130. Dr. Dolly Chugh — A More Just Future: Psychological Tools for Reckoning With Our Past and Driving Social Change
Why are human beings determined to be good people? Why are we interested in being ethically and morally right? And more importantly, why are we so prone to going off track? If we are so righteous, why is there so much hate and bias in the world?Dr. Dolly Chugh, Social Psychologist and Management Professor at the New York University Stern School of Business, has dedicated her life to answering these existential questions. Her research focuses on “bounded ethicality,” which she describes as the “psychology of good people.”On this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Dolly and Michael dive into:
How to let go of being a good person, and how to become a better person
How to fight race and gender bias
How to become the person we mean to be
Links & Resources:
Episode Show Notes
Psychology Today
Nobel Prize
Juneteenth
The Tulsa Massacre
Internment of Japanese Americans in WWII
Little House on the Prairie
Jay Van Bavel
New York Mets
Instagram
Angela Duckworth
Washington Redskins (Commanders)
Anne Frank
Martin Luther King, Jr.
Barabara Walters
The Holocaust
Civil Rights Movement
Bob Marley
The Marley Hypothesis
“Buffalo Soldier”
The Game Changing Attorney Podcast
Isabel Wilkerson
Cast by Isabel Wilkerson
George Takei
Star Trek
Franklin Delano Roosevelt
The Hero’s Journey

Oct 11, 2022 • 37min
129. Eric Chaffin — Doing Good by Doing Right
True game changers aren’t the ones who merely talk about the right thing. They’re the ones who do the right thing. They get out in the world and make a difference.The same goes for your law firm. If you don’t have people who truly believe in doing the right thing every time, your team won’t be aligned around the right mission.Luckily for Eric Chaffin, Co-Founder and Managing Partner of Chaffin Luhana, his firm doesn’t have that issue. In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Eric sit down to discuss:
How the firm’s motto “Doing Good By Doing Right” came about
The importance of having a team who believes in the firm’s vision
Why empathy differentiates good trial attorneys from great ones
Links & Resources
West Virginia University
Chaffin Luhana, LLP
Crisp
Najee Harris
Black Lives Matter
MeToo Movement
The Magic of Thinking Big by David J. Schwartz
Giftology by John Ruhlin
Ironman Triathlon
Peloton
Episode Show Notes

Oct 4, 2022 • 52min
128. Robert Greene — The Laws of Power and Human Nature
Human beings are more powerful than we could ever imagine. What might be a simple word or sentence coming from you could be a life-altering realization for someone else. If we don’t understand how to effectively wield that power, we could cause some serious damage. But if we learn to harness it for good, we can change lives for the better.These are the kind of things that best-selling author Robert Greene is set on bringing to light. In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, get a firsthand look at just how unbelievable humans really are — and what we’re truly capable of when we put our mind to accomplishing our goals.Robert and Micahel sit down to discuss:
Why his books are beloved by everyone from war historians to pop culture icons.
How working with 50 Cent was a game changing experience.
Why we actually have no grip on who we really are.
Links & Resources
Show Notes
The Obstacle is the Way by Ryan Holiday
The Laws of Human Nature by Robert Greene
50 Cent
The 50th Law by Robert Greene
Mike Tyson
Columbia Records
Eminem
Interscope Records
Mahatma Gandhi
National Basketball Association (NBA)
The Oracle of Delphi
Socrates
Louis the XIV
Jim Morrison
Boomers
Jonathan Swift
Elon Musk
Steve Jobs
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