
The Game Changing Attorney Podcast with Michael Mogill
How can you become a game changer?Michael Mogill, Founder and CEO of Crisp, has used his mastery of marketing for lawyers to grow his company to an 8-figure powerhouse. In just a few years, Crisp has helped thousands of attorneys adapt to the new legal landscape, differentiate themselves from the competition, and earn millions in new revenue.In every episode, you’ll hear from law firm entrepreneurs and market leaders — people who flourish in the face of adversity, challenge the status quo, and define what it means to be a game changer.We investigate success stories and business growth and scalability strategies that can help you attract your ideal clients. Plus, discover hidden insights and actionable advice on how company culture and employee engagement, marketing and advertising, and management and hiring fit into the big picture.What do all our guests have in common? These successful attorneys and business owners prove that the key to innovation is a game-changing mindset. If you want to run your law firm like an entrepreneur, achieve a greater ROI, and build a world-class organization that stands the test of time, then you’re in good company.Subscribe to the Game Changing Attorney Podcast and get ready to take your business to the next level.For more information, visit https://www.crisp.co/podcast/
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Apr 25, 2024 • 19min
258. AMMA — The Power of No: Setting Boundaries for Focused Growth
In a world where leadership often blurs the lines between empowerment and enablement, there exists a pivotal choice: to foster growth or hinder progress. But how do you navigate the fine line between those options where constant accessibility seems like the norm?In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill will teach you:
How to protect yourself from those pesky ‘Got a minute?’ inquiries
Why leaders cannot and should not be accessible to everyone
Why saying “No” is about liberation, not limitation
----Show Notes:03:04 – How to be accessible while also having the time to do your own work05:54 – How to set boundaries as a leader06:56 – Why you shouldn’t be available to everyone in your organization09:26 – Why growth requires change (and how to deal with those who resist it)12:47 – How to handle situations where saying “No” will disappoint your team14:45 – Why providing context is key when you shut something down----Links & Resources
Google
ChatGPT
Facebook
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#25 Kim Scott – Radical Candor: How to Be a Kickass Boss
#104 Dorie Clark – The Long Game: How to Be a Long-Term Thinker in a Short-Term World
#201 AMMA – Take The Stairs: The Real Path to Growth

Apr 23, 2024 • 55min
257. Jason Hehir — Leading and Documenting Winning Teams [Encore Edition]
In the realm of business and sports, the parallels are striking. Both arenas demand strong leadership, cohesive teamwork, and unwavering dedication to a common goal.Jason Hehir, the mastermind behind the groundbreaking documentary series The Last Dance, offers unique insights into this dynamic. Through chronicling Michael Jordan's extraordinary career, Hehir not only captured tales of triumph and defeat but also lived them firsthand.In this captivating episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Jason joins Michael Mogill to explore:
Evolving from a novice to a leader and navigating the ensuing complexities
The transformative power of embracing a healthy fear of failure
Discovering the importance of cultivating your authentic voice for personal and professional success
----Show Notes:03:14 – What fueled Jason’s passion for sports and cinematography04:44 – Jason’s humble creative beginnings07:23 – How Jason builds strong teams10:11 – Jason’s take on a healthy fear of failure14:53 – How Jason got involved in HBO’s Andre The Giant documentary19:31 – Jason’s creative project growth and evolution23:12 – The preparation that went into The Last Dance28:35 – Jason’s first meeting with Michael Jordan33:34 – How Jason balanced multiple brands’ desire for creative control35:11 – Why The Last Dance became one of the most highly-regarded sports documentaries of all time37:26 – How Jason pivoted to creating the Countdown series capturing the SpaceX mission40:19 – Capturing and editing footage from space43:35 – What the highest-performing people have in common48:49 – Jason’s upcoming projects and what keeps him excited50:48 – How Jason is scaling his impact50:35 – What being a game changer means to Jason----Links & Resources
NBC
André the Giant (documentary)
The Last Dance (documentary)
NBA
Michael Jordan
Jordan (brand)
ESPN
Netflix
Jalen Rose
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#71 Tim Grover – WINNING: The Unforgiving Race to Greatness
#128 Robert Greene – The Laws of Power and Human Nature
#185 AMMA – How to Recognize, Reward, and Motivate Your Team

Apr 18, 2024 • 20min
256. AMMA — How to Change Your Mind
Being right and making progress aren't always two sides of the same coin. But, as a leader, when does it make sense to change your mind?In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill take a deep dive into:
The balance between tightly held values and loosely held beliefs
The power of empathy and considering alternative points of view
Why embracing change is not just the key to growth, but the essence of transformation
----Show Notes:03:55 – Michael’s change of heart (and mindset)07:33 – What happens when you admit that you’re wrong10:54 – What to do when you think something’s a “sure thing”12:27 – The 2 constants in life16:26 – How to evolve and navigate change----Links & Resources
2018 Game Changers Summit
Who Not How by Dan Sullivan
TikTok
EVOLVE Summit
Apple Vision Pro
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#78 Katy Milkman – How to Change: The Science of Getting From Where You Are to Where You Want to Be
#171 Adam Alter – Anatomy of a Breakthrough: How to Get Unstuck When It Matters Most
#243 AMMA – Success Without Safety Nets: The Entrepreneurial Journey

Apr 16, 2024 • 44min
255. Joe De Sena — The Spartan Mindset: Embracing Discomfort and Unleashing Mental Toughness [Encore Edition]
In a world where comfort is often prioritized over challenge, Joe De Sena — the pioneering mind behind the Spartan Race — offers a compelling counter-narrative. He champions the idea that true fulfillment comes not from ease, but from overcoming obstacles and embracing discomfort head-on.On this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Joe and Michael take a deep dive into:
The transformative power of personal accountability in navigating life's challenges
Strategies for fostering a resilient mindset that thrives in adversity
Why venturing outside our comfort zones is essential for unlocking our full potential and experiencing genuine happiness
----Show Notes:02:38 — Why the majority of people are lazy04:28 — Why human beings avoid discomfort05:22 — Why people are depressed08:02 — Why food tastes so much better when you’re hungry10:14 — How Joe developed mental toughness11:32 — How to manufacture adversity in your life13:29 — What the other side of adversity feels like15:14 — Joe’s obstacle-racing catalyst19:03 — Why Joe started the Spartan Race21:07 — What "Suffering Together" means23:26 — The difference between "difficult" and "desperate"25:16 — Joe’s advice to anyone who wants to do a Spartan Race29:38 — How to raise resilient kids32:21 — The application of "Fire. Ready. Aim." 34:41 — Tactical ways to do hard things39:56 — How Joe describes success----Links & Resources
Netflix
The Menu (film)
Wendy’s
Shackelton’s Expedition
Sir Edmund Hillary
Spartan Race
Tough Mudder Event
Wall Street
The Transcendence Run
Iditarod
Saks Fifth Avenue
Nike
Facebook
Goldman Sachs
Mat Fraser
Green Beret
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#73 James Lawrence – Iron Cowboy: 101 Ironmans in 101 Days
#63 Mat Fraser – The Fittest Man on Earth
#173 AMMA – Healthy Habits and High Performance

Apr 11, 2024 • 24min
254. AMMA — Starting and Growing Your Law Firm
Entrepreneurship is not for the faint of heart, but every successful law firm owner has to start somewhere. From setting up shop, to onboarding support staff, to signing up the best cases and clients — each key phase of growth demands unwavering determination and relentless perseverance.In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill share:
How to find the courage to take the entrepreneurial leap
How to overcome the challenges and uncertainties of making a crucial hire
How to effectively market your law firm and establish a strong client base from the ground up
----Show Notes:02:19 – Making the choice between financial security and entrepreneurial freedom05:21 – The difference between wanting it and committing to it08:39 – Sacrificing luxuries and lifestyle comforts for entrepreneurial dreams 10:08 – How to navigate the decision to hire an associate12:33 – Invest in capacity or pay the cost with your well-being14:50 – How to attract clients and build a steady stream of business19:00 – How to prepare for more cases----Links & Resources
Ramen Noodles
Porsche
Mercedes-Benz
The Game Changing Attorney (Book)
Crisp Coach
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#55 Marcus Lemonis – The Three Keys to Business: People, Process, and Product
#113 Kevin O’Leary – The Entrepreneurial Journey: Inside the Mind of Mr. Wonderful
#243 AMMA – Success Without Safety Nets: The Entrepreneurial Journey

Apr 9, 2024 • 1h 52min
253. Ryan Hendrickson — Tip of the Spear: The Incredible Story of an Injured Green Beret’s Return to Battle [Encore Edition]
In a world where quitting is often the easiest path, Ryan Hendrickson — U.S. Special Forces Engineer and best-selling author — stands out as a beacon of unwavering dedication. Despite the life-altering event of stepping on an improvised explosive device in Afghanistan which blew off his foot, Ryan's commitment to duty led him back to the battlefield time and again.Join us for an unforgettable episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast as Ryan delves into:
Embracing a "we" mentality over a "me" mentality
Discerning between giving your all and succumbing to quitting
The stark reality of living on the edge in combat situations
----Show Notes:03:12 – Why Ryan wrote The Tip of the Spear06:12 – How Ryan’s family shaped his resilience and determination10:59 – Why Ryan chose to pursue a military path13:05 – The rise from a navy deck hand to the Special Forces14:15 – The struggle of adapting to civilian life15:56 – The importance of structure and discipline in success19:29 – Becoming mentally tough24:51 – Special Forces training38:47 – Mindset and mission in training39:52 – What it means to be a Green Beret42:20 – Ryan’s journey to becoming a Green Beret44:54 – The role of teamwork in Special Forces selection48:13 – Adapting to the frontlines 54:54 – Surviving an IED blast and the road to recovery01:08:28 – Ryan’s drive to return to combat01:13:49 – The harsh reality of returning to the battlefield01:15:29 – Ryan’s unexpected challenges and proving his worth01:17:17 — Overcoming fear and finding purpose01:18:05 – Hilltop 2000: a mission of perseverance and perspective01:22:14 – Surviving the Taliban's ambush01:36:21 – The unending search for adrenaline01:38:51 – How Ryan found purpose beyond the battlefield01:39:54 – A call for mental health awareness and veteran support01:46:03 – Confronting entitlement and embracing hard work01:48:20 – What Being a Game Changer Means to Ryan Hendrickson----Links & Resources
Green Berets
Navy SEALs
Joe Rogan
Purple Heart
Special Forces
Basic Underwater Demolition/SEALs (BUD/S)
Army Rangers
The Taliban
Improvised Explosive Device (IED)
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#141 David Goggins – Never Finished: Unshackle Your Mind and Win the War Within
#73 James Lawrence – Iron Cowboy: 101 Ironmans In 101 Days
#210 AMMA – Failure Isn’t Final: Lessons Learned from Setbacks and Struggles

Apr 4, 2024 • 25min
252 AMMA — Shiny Object Syndrome: Staying Focused in a World of Distractions
Are you constantly chasing the next big thing, only to find yourself stuck in a cycle of distraction and indecision? It's time to break free.In this eye-opening episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill share:
How to maintain a sense of clarity and purpose in the face of constant change
How to overcome analysis paralysis and trust your instincts
How to build resilience and stay committed to seeing things through
----Show Notes:07:06 — How to stop being distracted10:26 — Why you should top saying “yes” to everything12:44 — How to make better decisions19:21 — What you gain from sticking with it20:56 — How to build discipline and resilience----Links & Resources
LASIK Eye Surgery
Crisp Coach
Google Ads
Amazon
The RFP Process
Indecisiveness Is Weakness
GCA Podcast Episode #183 — AMMA: How Great Leaders Make Decisions
Mike Tyson
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#229 David Goggins – Never Finished: Unshackle Your Mind and Win the War Within
#101 Ayelet Fishbach – Get It Done: The Surprising Lessons from the Science of Motivation
#183 AMMA – How Great Leaders Make Decisions

Apr 2, 2024 • 54min
251. Alex Hormozi — The Power of Humility in Achieving Entrepreneurial Success [Encore Edition]
Embark on Alex Hormozi's journey from $500 to a successful eight-figure revenue company. Discover the power of humility in entrepreneurship, the dangers of ego, and the common traits of successful entrepreneurs. Unveil the truths about building businesses and the role of personal branding in achieving long-term success.

Mar 28, 2024 • 25min
250. AMMA — Working With Your Spouse In the Business World
Ever wondered how those business power couples achieve success in their law firms and their households? Strap in for a deep dive into the intricacies of working alongside your spouse.In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill share their insights on:
How to provide uncomfortable yet critical feedback to your coworking spouse
How to address and resolve conflicting business beliefs
Many more do's and don'ts of working with your spouse
----Show Notes:04:21 – How to provide feedback to your co-working spouse06:24 – It’s not what you say; it’s how you say it07:43 – Jessica’s take on working with Michael10:27 – How to address and resolve conflicting beliefs about investments14:14 – Invest in alignment with your goals and vision17:31 – How to get your spouse excited about business----Links & Resources
LASIK Eye Surgery
Crisp Coach
Kolbe ATM Index Assessment
PRINT® Assessment
NFTs
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#47 Jessica Mogill – A Transformational Partnership: How Opposites Attract
#245 Sheila Heen – How to Master Difficult Conversations
#173 AMMA – Healthy Habits and High Performance

Mar 26, 2024 • 42min
249. Codie Sanchez — Maximizing Income: Strategies for Achieving Financial Freedom
Can calculated decisions lead to true financial freedom, or is it all just wishful thinking? Prepare to discover how one entrepreneur turned a series of sound yet lucrative investments into a multimillion-dollar empire.Meet Codie Sanchez, a finance maven who's on a mission to create financially free and free-thinking humans. As the Founder & CEO of Contrarian Thinking — one of the fastest-growing financial media businesses in the nation — she's helped thousands of entrepreneurs grow, buy, and sell profitable businesses.In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Codie and Michael Mogill discuss:
The three realms of income — and how to maximize all of them
Why the path less traveled isn’t always the best one to take
How to set yourself up for success in buying or selling your law firm
And more!
----Show Notes:03:56 – Why Codie is obsessed with people getting ownership 07:53 – Why you need to stop chasing unicorns 13:37 – How to buy your first business15:47 – How to determine if you’re cut out for entrepreneurship18:14 – Why you should pick the path MORE traveled20:43 – The criteria of a good investment vs. a bad one24:08 – How to make your law firm investable27:12 – The differences between cashflow and cashsuck businesses31:14 – Why making money and keeping money are two different things33:45 – How to effectively work with your spouse----Links & Resources
Contrarian Thinking
Contrarian Community
Forbes
Episode 151 of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast with Bill Perkins
The FIRE Movement
The FatFIRE Movement
Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs
Henry David Thoreau
The 7 Horsemen of the Great Sell-Off
Warren Buffett
How To Build A Business That Will Sell For Millions (12-Month Plan)
Cashflow Businesses vs. Cashsuck Businesses
Exxon
Morgan Housel
The Psychology of Money (Book)
Contrarian Thinking’s Small Biz Buyer Insights Report 2024
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#151 Bill Perkins — Die With Zero: Getting All You Can From Your Money and Your Life
#223 Chad Willardson — Achieving Financial Freedom: Strategies for Building Abundant Wealth
#201 AMMA — Take the Stairs: The REAL Path to Growth
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