
The Game Changing Attorney Podcast with Michael Mogill
How can you become a game changer?Michael Mogill, Founder and CEO of Crisp, has used his mastery of marketing for lawyers to grow his company to an 8-figure powerhouse. In just a few years, Crisp has helped thousands of attorneys adapt to the new legal landscape, differentiate themselves from the competition, and earn millions in new revenue.In every episode, you’ll hear from law firm entrepreneurs and market leaders — people who flourish in the face of adversity, challenge the status quo, and define what it means to be a game changer.We investigate success stories and business growth and scalability strategies that can help you attract your ideal clients. Plus, discover hidden insights and actionable advice on how company culture and employee engagement, marketing and advertising, and management and hiring fit into the big picture.What do all our guests have in common? These successful attorneys and business owners prove that the key to innovation is a game-changing mindset. If you want to run your law firm like an entrepreneur, achieve a greater ROI, and build a world-class organization that stands the test of time, then you’re in good company.Subscribe to the Game Changing Attorney Podcast and get ready to take your business to the next level.For more information, visit https://www.crisp.co/podcast/
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Mar 21, 2024 • 23min
248. AMMA — How to Lead Great Meetings
Ever feel like meetings suck up your day, leaving little to show for it? It's time to discover a more effective approach.In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill will teach you:
How to structure and stick to an action-oriented agenda
How to streamline your meetings to get more done in less time
Strategies for keeping meeting participants engaged
----Show Notes:05:33 — How much money your meetings are costing your firm06:34 — The non-negotiable pre-work to every meeting08:18 — How to make every single one of your meetings more efficient, immediately10:00 — How to get your team to be more engaged in meeting16:11 — How to determine what meetings you should actually be having18:01 — Why you, as the law firm owner, are not needed in every meeting----Links & Resources
Meeting Cost Calculator for Google Calendar
Slack
Teams
Zoom
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#187 Dan Martell — Buy Back Your Time: Get Unstuck, Reclaim Your Freedom, and Build Your Empire
#25 Kim Scott — Radical Candor: How to Be a Kick-Ass Boss
#217 AMMA — The Key to Clarity in Business

Mar 19, 2024 • 36min
247. John Morgan — Fortune Favors the Bold: How to Build a Legal Empire [Encore Edition]
Without a doubt, John Morgan, the visionary behind Morgan & Morgan, has established himself as a prominent figure in expanding America's leading personal injury law firm.In this special-edition episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, recorded LIVE at the 2022 Game Changers Summit on the field of the Mercedes-Benz Stadium, you'll have the opportunity to delve deeper into his persona and his unique approach to business.Prepare yourself for an insightful exploration of:
John Morgan's journey to fame in the legal industry
The single greatest threat to law firm owners across the nation
The significance of luck in achieving excellence — though it's just one piece of the puzzle
----Show Notes:03:30 – Addressing everyone listening who hates John Morgan’s guts05:00 – How John crafts killer marketing strategies08:30 – Why John started his own law firm13:30 – How to evaluate if someone has hunger (the insatiable appetite to win)15:45 – Why Morgan & Morgan is run by predominantly non-lawyers19:43 – The greatest threat to every law firm in America21:45 – How John stays hungry24:44 – Why life is luck29:16 – The meaning of John’s email signature (“Faith without works is dead.”)30:53 – Grow or die----Links & Resources
Kentucky Wildcats
John Calipari
Boston Red Sox
Warren Buffett
Oprah Winfrey
Google
LeBron James
Russell Westbrook
Carrabba’s
You Can’t Teach Hungry: Creating the Multimillion Dollar Firm by John Morgan
Joe Fried
President Joe Biden
Nick Saban
Tom Brady
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#1 John Morgan – Building The Google Law Firm & Why You Can’t Teach Hungry
#69 Brian Panish – Champions Compete With Themselves
#243 AMMA – Success Without Safety Nets: The Entrepreneurial Journey

Mar 14, 2024 • 24min
246. AMMA — From Burnout to Breakthrough: The Key Differences Between Winners and Losers
As the saying goes: ambition is common, commitment is rare.Many desire greatness but few dedicate themselves to doing everything possible to achieve their objectives. But what does it really take?In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Crisp Founder & CEO Michael Mogill will teach you:
The habits and behaviors that all high-performers emulate
The difference between being busy and being productive
How to cultivate more discipline and commitment to achieving what you set out to do
----Show Notes:05:35 – How to turn low performers into high performers10:21 – How to break the cycle of late nights and long hours at the office13:11 – How to get more done in less time17:20 – Why not all goals are equal20:14 – The difference between “should” and “must”----Links & Resources
Chris Voss
Huberman Lab Podcast
David Goggins
The Joe Rogan Experience Podcast
Parkinson’s Law
Crisp Coach
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#158 Alex Hormozi – The Power of Humility in Achieving Entrepreneurial Success
#187 Dan Martell – Buy Back Your Time: Get Unstuck, Reclaim Your Freedom, and Build Your Empire
#239 AMMA – Raise Your Standards

Mar 12, 2024 • 45min
245. Sheila Heen — How to Master Difficult Conversations
Nearly every kind of feedback — whether you agree with it or not — can be used to help you grow. Sheila Heen knows this well.As the founder of Triad Consulting Group, professor of practice at Harvard Law School, and the co-author of Thanks for the Feedback: The Science and Art of Receiving Feedback Well and Difficult Conversations: How to Discuss What Matters Most, Sheila has spent nearly 30 years helping executive teams across the world work through conflict, repair working relationships, and make sound decisions together.In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Sheila and Michael Mogill discuss:
The underlying structure and challenge of every difficult conversation
The different types of feedback leaders can give — and what actually works
How to raise tough issues and have productive conversations
----Show Notes:07:34 – The single most valuable skill you can have14:57 – Defining difficult conversations17:58 – How to navigate a tough talk20:57 – Not everything is either/or23:22 – Starting difficult conversations with a third story29:35 – The 3 types of feedback34:24 – Navigating sensitivity38:44 – Front seat leader, back seat feedback42:10 – What being a game changer means to Sheila Heen----Links & Resources
Triad Consulting Group
Harvard Law School
Thanks for the Feedback: The Science and Art of Receiving Feedback Well by Douglas Stone and Sheila Heen
Difficult Conversations: How to Discuss What Matters Most by Douglas Stone, Bruce Patton, and Sheila Heen
Occidental College
The Harvard Negotiation Project
Bruce Patton
Mindset: The New Psychology of Success by Carol Dweck
Getting It Done by Roger Fisher. John Richardson, and Alan Sharp
Tesla
The Game Changing Attorney by Michael Mogill
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#162 Kim Scott – Radical Candor: How to Be a Kick-Ass Boss Without Losing Your Humanity
#166 John Maxwell
#217 AMMA – The Key to Clarity in Business

Mar 7, 2024 • 40min
244. Rex Elliott — Committed to Impact: Transforming Adversities into Opportunities [Encore Edition]
When you encounter a lawyer committed to advocating for the underprivileged with unwavering determination, you know you've found someone truly exceptional.Rex Elliott embodies that dedication. His life's mission revolves around assisting those deprived of opportunities, relentlessly pursuing cases others shy away from — and that resolve has defined his remarkable success.In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Rex joins Michael to explore:
Strategies for harnessing media attention in high-profile cases
The profound lessons gleaned from setbacks rather than triumphs
The transformative potential of attorneys to effect positive change in society
----Show Notes:07:20 – Take a new perspective: I’ve learned many lessons over the years thanks to the things that have happened to me, both good and bad. During the low moments, I've tried to see through that particular problem and figure out why it was that that was happening to me at the time. If you're not listening and observing those kinds of things, you'll miss them.09:56 – A game changing case: Willie Gladdens was on death row for killing his white girlfriend’s former white ex-boyfriend out of self-defense. At the time, I was at a big firm, and our job was to get him off of death row — and we did that. He even managed to get out of prison and live a productive life later on. That’s when I felt for the first time that my license to practice law was being used in the way that God intended me to use it. I was helping another person who needed it the most.14:44 – Leverage the media: The media can be a powerful partner with you in terms of getting your message out. I’ve always used the media as a member of our team, and if you’re good to them and never misstate things to them, they will be powerful partners for you. 19:02 – Putting an end to hazing: There are 18- to 22-year-old kids living within a system that was created for them by adults. We need to focus on the national organizations and the universities to put a stop to this. We have had a hazing death on a college campus in this country every single year since 1959, and it's become my mission to do everything I can to end hazing altogether.23:25 – Canceling the Greek system’s pledge programs: They're antiquated, they're archaic, and there's absolutely no purpose for a pledge program anymore. That's where all these deaths and injuries are occurring because there's an imbalance of power. I think we need to eliminate pledge programs in general. One more death on a college campus in this country is too much.----Links & Resources
Denison University
Syracuse University
Sullivan & Cromwell
National Football League
Willie Gladdens
Donovan Lewis
Ben Crump
Stone Foltz
Collin Wiant
Bowling Green University
Entrepreneurs’ Organization
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#209 Mark Lanier – A Lasting Legacy of Justice, Truth, and Billion-Dollar Verdicts
#178 Brian Panish – Champions Compete with Themselves
#241 AMMA – The Brutally Honest Guide to Public Speaking

Mar 5, 2024 • 23min
243. AMMA — Success Without Safety Nets: The Entrepreneurial Journey
In a world where success is far from guaranteed, how do you navigate the path of uncertainty toward your goals?In this thought-provoking episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill delve into the raw truths of business ownership and the mindset required to succeed.Join us as we explore:
How to guarantee you’ll never achieve your goals
Why the most valuable lessons are learned through experience and failure
The key difference between ambition and commitment
----Show Notes:06:05 – The brutal truth: Business is the hardest thing you will ever do. I try to discourage people from entrepreneurship because they watch a lot of Shark Tank and they think that they're all going to make millions of dollars. The reality of it is that the majority of them will never do that07:30 – Risk vs. reward: If you look at the statistics, there's a greater chance that you won't succeed than there's the chance that you will succeed — especially if you have aspirational goals. 11:00 – Everyone’s replaceable: There are 8 billion people on this planet. By the way, whoever you believe was a rock star, you may find another one who's even better — and you probably will, because your standards change and evolve. There are graveyards full of ‘irreplaceable’ people.18:01 – Commitment’s silent sacrifices: The results that you see from the people you admire is work that's done in the shadows. That's work that you don't see on social media.19:23 – B*tch or beast: The majority of businesses do not grow to seven figures or eight figures. You want to know why that is? Because the majority of people are not willing to do what it takes. You’ve got to decide which one you are: b*tch or beast? I don't know what else to tell you. Not everyone is built for this.----Links & Resources
Joe Rogan Podcast
Huberman Lab Podcast
Shark Tank
TikTok
Fugazi
Crisp Coach
Netflix
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#113 Kevin O’Leary – The Entrepreneurial Journey: Inside the Mind of Mr. Wonderful
#158 Alex Hormozi – The Power of Humility in Achieving Entrepreneurial Success
#230 AMMA – How to Achieve Bigger Goals

Feb 29, 2024 • 55min
242. Chris Voss — The Secret Ingredient of Successful Negotiations
Chris Voss is one of the world's leading authorities on negotiation. As a former Lead FBI International Hostage Negotiator and CEO of The Black Swan Group, he’s spent years mastering the art of negotiation in high-stakes situations.For law firm owners, negotiation isn't a professional skill. It's a daily necessity. Negotiations touch every part of our lives. They range from reaching settlements with opposing counsel. They also include managing team dynamics and even deciding what's for dinner.In this captivating new episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Chris and Michael Mogill take a deep dive into:
The hidden power of maintaining a positive frame of mind in negotiations
The dangers of falling for the illusion of a “win-win” negotiation
How generosity can be a secret weapon in your negotiation arsenal
----Show Notes:05:07 – Negotiation in real life vs. television09:45 – The power of a positive frame of mind15:10 – The dangers of a “win-win” negotiation18:33 – Be generous22:53 – Cognitive vs. Tactical Empathy32:29 – Negotiation in the digital age36:34 – Put in the reps45:45 – Learn from your losses and your win----Links & Resources
Nick Nanton
DNA Films
Warren Buffett
Delta
Masterclass
Suits (Television Show)
Mark Wahlberg
Daniel Pink
Start With No (Book)
Lyft
TSA
Empathy and Understanding In Business (Book)
Tiger Woods
Kansas City Chiefs
Kirk Cousins
Roger Bannister
Netflix
Russell Wilson
Seattle Seahawks
Baltimore Ravens
Joe Flacco
Patrick Mahomes
University of Alabama
Marcus Mariota
Walter Isaacson
Elon Musk
Tesla
Starlink
SpaceX
Black Swan Group
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#5 Chris Voss – Negotiation Tactics for Business and Life
#231 Steven Kotler – Harnessing Neuroscience for Peak Performance
#196 AMMA – The 9 Sources of Entrepreneurial Advantage

Feb 27, 2024 • 22min
241. AMMA — The Brutally Honest Guide to Public Speaking
Have you ironed out your personal brand but are struggling to take your thought leadership to the next level? Stuck on securing those prime legal conference speaking slots despite your expertise? Get ready to elevate your influence and uncover the blueprint for landing top-tier speaking gigs in the legal industry.In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast Michael and Jessica Mogill discuss:
How to make a strong impression and secure the best speaking opportunities
The do’s and don’ts of delivering a memorable and meaningful keynote presentation
How to maximize your impact when sharing the stage
----Show Notes:05:50 – 3 ways to land a gig09:55 – Practice makes perfect progress15:23 – Value beats self-promotion16:16 – Be helpful. Be humble.----Links & Resources
The 2018 Game Changers Summit
The 2019 Game Changers Summit
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#154 Conrad Saam – Data Over Guesswork: The Strategies Behind Effective Legal Marketing
#148 Randy Kessler – The Power of Strengths-Based Leadership
#196 AMMA – The Nine Sources of Advantage

Feb 22, 2024 • 18min
240. Jessica Mogill — Why Hiring A-Players is Important
Crisp’s Head of Coaching Strategy and operational mastermind Jessica Mogill has trained over 1,000 practices nationwide, providing them with the skills and tools to build world-class organizations by hiring exceptional team members.In this special-edition episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Jessica and Michael Mogill discuss:
Why compromising on talent is a recipe for disaster
The undeniable value of A-players and why they're worth the wait
How to cultivate a firm culture that attracts and retains top-tier talent
----Show Notes:05:18 – Don’t compromise07:05 – A-Players are worth the wait08:02 – Be a leader worth following10:46 – “Hell yes” or “Hell no”----Links & Resources
The 5-Step Process to Successful Law Firm Hiring
Ritz-Carlton
Starbucks
Amazon
Facebook
LinkedIn
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#47 Jessica Mogill – A Transformational Partnership: How Opposites Attract
#188 Liz Wiseman – Impact Players: How to Take the Lead, Play Bigger, and Multiply Your Impact
#219 AMMA – A Deeper Look at Leadership

Feb 20, 2024 • 26min
239. AMMA — Raise Your Standards
Ever wonder why some law firms soar while others struggle to stay afloat? Brace yourself for a no-nonsense discussion on how to transform your team and marketing strategies from average to exceptional.In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill take a deep dive into:
The importance of setting and reinforcing high standards in your organization
How to raise the bar for your team’s contributions
Why world-class results are earned — not given
----Show Notes:04:07 – Set the bar06:28 – You endorse what you tolerate07:10 – Standards in action09:01 – Reinforce excellence12:25 – Release low performers16:56 – Earn the best cases23:05 – Clear branding wins----Links & Resources
The Ritz-Carlton
Rolls-Royce
Apple
Patriots
University of Alabama
University of Georgia
Super Bowl
Nick Saban
Kirby Smart
Michelin Guide
Episode 217 — AMMA: The Key to Clarity in Business
PRINT® Assessment
Episode 5 — Chris Voss: FBI Negotiation Tactics for Business and Life
The Game Changing Attorney (Book)
Facebook
Instagram
Crisp Coach
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#156 Chris Voss – FBI Negotiation Strategies for Business and Life
#36 Ryan Deiss – Truth Over Tactics: Marketing Strategies that Actually Work
#143 AMMA – Teslas, Distractions, and Rebuilding from Zero
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