
Product Chats Podcast
Pragmatic Live’s Product Chat is a podcast focused on tackling the biggest challenges facing today‘s product management, product marketing, and other market and data-driven professionals with some of the best minds in the industry.
Latest episodes

Jun 10, 2022 • 30min
What Successful Content Strategies Look Like in 2022
“When your message is generic, instead of being for everyone, it turns into a piece of content for no one. So for me, specificity is always been really a key trait. To building that hero and then, also for me, is being real and genuine and authentic as I possibly can be."
There was a time when content marketing was new and fresh and the competition was sparse. That day has come and gone, so how do we compete and engage with a strategy that everyone employs at some level?
In this episode of Pragmatic Live, Rebecca Kalogeris, VP of marketing for Pragmatic Institute, interviews Brett McGrath from The Juice on all things content marketing and content distribution.
They discuss:
How to think beyond the inbound methodology
Why distribution is the path to having a proactive marketing strategy
The ways that content can build valuable relationships
Vulnerability as a superpower and experimentation as a strength
Additional Resources
Market.
This course helps you gain a thorough understanding of your buyers and how they like to buy so you can build the product marketing strategies that deliver results.
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Jun 3, 2022 • 34min
Why Your Team Needs a Video Strategy
“With video, whether you're using it for marketing or sales or just even information sharing, it's a human thing. You're building a human connection with someone. And what that serves to do is show your authenticity” - Ellen Grogan
In this episode of Pragmatic Live, Rebecca Kalogeris, VP of marketing for Pragmatic Institute, interviews Ellen Grogan, director of product marketing at Brightcove and founding member of the Pragmatic Alumni Community.
Ellen’s background is in broadcast journalism before she moved to a product marketing career. She shares her experience with video and the growing role it plays in content marketing.
They discuss:
Why video is so powerful for building empathy and showing authenticity
The challenges companies face when they start incorporating a video strategy
Strategies for measuring success
How to repurpose long-form videos in shorter formats
Additional Resources
Market.
This course helps you gain a thorough understanding of your buyers and how they like to buy so you can build product marketing strategies that deliver results.
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May 27, 2022 • 41min
Understanding Use Cases and Creating Killer UX Approaches
This episode was recorded during our recent Product Chat Webinar.
Join Mamuna Oladipo, MBA, VP of Product at Shopify for her discussion on understanding use cases, creating killer UX approaches and developing innovative strategies that span globally. You will hear insights on things like...
Where to generate innovative and bold UX ideas
How to delve into your users to understand patterns
How to measure user efforts and KPI’s to pay attention to
Ways to optimize UX experiences that increase both adoption and retention

May 20, 2022 • 28min
How to Apply Agile to Your Job Search
Yes, Agile is typically associated with product and engineering teams, but the principles can be powerful when applied to the job search. In this episode of Pragmatic Live, Rebecca Kalogeris, VP of marketing for Pragmatic Institute, interviews Pragmatic’s newest instructor Dan Corbin about his unique approach to finding jobs in products.
They discuss:
The different stages of the job search
Why an iterative approach can reduce feelings of failure
How having a partner in the job search can help improve the experience
Additional Resources
Foundations on Demand
In this course, you’ll learn to master the Pragmatic Framework and the activities needed to bring a successful product to market. You’ll take *the first step to becoming truly market-driven.* This 7-hour course is self-paced and you’ll have one year to complete the curriculum. After passing the final exam, you’ll receive your first Pragmatic Institute certification and be invited to join the robust Alumni community.
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May 13, 2022 • 33min
The Impact of Curiosity
“The hardest part is looking at ourselves or looking at the way we're doing things and knowing whether or not it is the most effective way things could be done and remaining open to an alternative.” - David Bard
In this episode of Pragmatic Live, Rebecca Kalogeris, VP of marketing for Pragmatic Institute, interviews David Bard, product management and user experience leader. In his business, David focuses on coaching product teams from conception through execution and market launch to ensure success.
Rebecca and David explore the role and impact of curiosity on product teams. They also discuss:
Recent research on curiosity
How you can encourage curiosity at your organization and on your teams
Strategies to stimulate and exercise curiosity
How humility can overcome the Einstellung Effect
Additional Resources
Foundations on Demand
In this course, you’ll learn to master the Pragmatic Framework and the activities needed to bring a successful product to market. You’ll take the first step to becoming truly market-driven.
This 7-hour course is self-paced and you’ll have one year to complete the curriculum. After passing the final exam, you’ll receive your first Pragmatic Institute certification and be invited to join the robust Alumni community.
Register Today
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May 6, 2022 • 29min
Pricing Case Study: Why Disney Should Charge MORE for Their $6,000 Hotel Room
This is part four of a four-part series with pricing expert and Pragmatic instructor Mark Stiving. Each new episode will feature a case study on current pricing trends.
In this episode of Pragmatic Live, Rebecca Kalogeris, VP of marketing for Pragmatic Institute, and Mark discuss the immersive Star Wars experience that comes at a premium price.
“This story is all about price segmentation. Disney doesn’t need to sell to everyone who comes to the park—just a few people.” - Mark Stiving
They discuss:
The reason why people buy the $6,000 hotel room at Disney: Star Wars: Galactic Starcruiser
Why Mark thinks the hotel Room is underpriced
How comparison helps the buyer justify pricing structures
Want to Learn More About Pricing Strategies?
Pragmatic Course: Pricing | $1,195
Learn more about pricing segmentation in the Price course. You’ll also learn how to determine market value and how to maximize your profit while minimizing discounting. You’ll be introduced to several pricing tools including:
Product Portfolio Worksheet
Isoprofit Tables
Pricing Ownership Matrix
Value Matrix
>> Enroll Today
Pragmatic Learning Network: Accelerate Your Subscription Business | $500
Pricing expert Mark Stiving brings his expertise on subscription models to our Pragmatic Learning Network to help product teams improve their subscription businesses and drive growth. In this self-paced course, students will learn:
The three revenue buckets and how they drive prioritization
The three levels to pull to create and capture more value
Which growth strategies are best based on the life cycle of a product
The four ways to grow revenue from a single customer
>>Enroll Today

Apr 29, 2022 • 27min
Pricing Case Study: The Housing Market Teaches Why Cost Plus Pricing is a Bad Idea
This is part three of a four-part series with pricing expert and Pragmatic instructor Mark Stiving. Each new episode will feature a case study on current pricing trends.
In this episode of Pragmatic Live, Rebecca Kalogeris, VP of marketing for Pragmatic Institute, and Mark discuss the trends in the housing market.
“The number one takeaway from this and to take away from every pricing situation is that we always put ourselves in the minds of our customers and try to figure out how are they making decisions.”
They discuss:
The elements driving buyer behavior in the housing market.
The reasons why Zillow stopped flipping houses. Answer: Labor shortage and “the winner's curse.”
How we can apply lessons learned in the housing market to B2B and SAAS companies.
Want to Learn More About Pricing Strategies?
Pragmatic Course: Pricing | $1,195
Learn more about pricing segmentation in the Price course. You’ll also learn how to determine market value and how to maximize your profit while minimizing discounting.
You’ll be introduced to several pricing tools including
Product Portfolio Worksheet
Isoprofit Tables
Pricing Ownership Matrix
Value Matrix
>> Enroll Today
Pragmatic Learning Network: Accelerate Your Subscription Business | $500
Pricing expert Mark Stiving brings his expertise on subscription models to our Pragmatic Learning Network to help product teams improve their subscription businesses and drive growth.
In this self-paced course, students will learn:
The three revenue buckets and how they drive prioritization
The three levels to pull to create and capture more value
Which growth strategies are best based on the life cycle of a product
The four ways to grow revenue from a single customer
>>Enroll Today

Apr 22, 2022 • 31min
Pricing Case Study: Shrinkflation and Why You’re Getting Less but Paying More
This is part two of a four-part series with pricing expert and Pragmatic instructor Mark Stiving. Each new episode will feature a case study on current pricing trends.
Should Dollar Tree increase its product prices to $1.25 or reduce its costs by offering less at the same price? Well, they increased their price for the first time in 35 years, but was it the right choice?
In this episode of Pragmatic Live, Rebecca Kalogeris, VP of marketing for Pragmatic Institute, and Mark discuss the concept of shrinkflation. Specifically, how to know when it's the right time to increase prices or decrease costs.
They discuss:
Why we might notice changes in volume, features and quality more than price changes.
How do we make changes that increase profits but don’t upset buyers or users?
Why now might be the best time to experiment with pricing.
Want to Learn More About Pricing Strategies?
Pragmatic Course: Pricing | $1,195
Learn more about pricing segmentation in the Price course. You’ll also learn how to determine market value and how to maximize your profit while minimizing discounting. You’ll be introduced to several pricing tools including
Product Portfolio Worksheet
Isoprofit Tables
Pricing Ownership Matrix
Value Matrix
>> Enroll Today
Pragmatic Learning Network: Accelerate Your Subscription Business | $500
Pricing expert Mark Stiving brings his expertise on subscription models to our Pragmatic Learning Network to help product teams improve their subscription businesses and drive growth.
In this self-paced course, students will learn:
The three revenue buckets and how they drive prioritization
The three levels to pull to create and capture more value
Which growth strategies are best based on the life cycle of a product
The four ways to grow revenue from a single customer
>>Enroll Today

Apr 15, 2022 • 23min
Pricing Case Study: When Will You Unsubscribe to Netflix?
“It wouldn’t surprise me if these latest price increases won’t work out as well as previous ones,” - Mark Stiving
This is part one of a four-part series with pricing expert and Pragmatic instructor Mark Stiving. Each new episode will feature a case study on current pricing trends.
In this episode of Pragmatic Live, Rebecca Kalogeris, VP of marketing for Pragmatic Institute, interviews Mark about the streaming wars and more importantly, subscription-model pricing.
Netflix increased its pricing at the start of 2022 by $1 - $2 per month depending on the selected plan. Additionally, they are testing how to charge more for “sharing” accounts with friends and family who live in different places.
They discuss:
How do we get different customers with different willingness to pay to still buy our product?
The risk of offering ad-supported cheaper versions
Why “good, better, best” options work so well in subscription services
Want to Learn More About Pricing Strategies?
Pragmatic Course: Pricing | $1,195
Learn more about pricing segmentation in the Price course. You’ll also learn how to determine market value and how to maximize your profit while minimizing discounting.
You’ll be introduced to several pricing tools including:
Product Portfolio Worksheet
Isoprofit Tables
Pricing Ownership Matrix
Value Matrix
>> Enroll Today
Pragmatic Learning Network: Accelerate Your Subscription Business | $500
Pricing expert Mark Stiving brings his expertise on subscription models to our Pragmatic Learning Network to help product teams improve their subscription businesses and drive growth.
In this self-paced course, students will learn:
The three revenue buckets and how they drive prioritization
The three levels to pull to create and capture more value
Which growth strategies are best based on the life cycle of a product
The four ways to grow revenue from a single customer
>>Enroll Today

Apr 1, 2022 • 42min
7 Innovator Archetypes (With Assessment)
Let’s re-think innovation. Starting with the question, who can be an innovator? Answer: everybody. In this episode of Pragmatic Live, Rebecca Kalogeris, VP of marketing for Pragmatic Institute, interviews Carla Johnson, a global keynote speaker, a best-selling author, and a recognized marketing and innovation strategist.
They discuss:
Why innovation is everybody’s job
The 7 different innovation archetypes
How an innovative Valentine's Day commercial sold routers in a new way > Watch It
Additional Resources
Take the Innovation Archetype Assessment
*Re:Think Innovation by Carla Johnson*
Focus
This course shows you how to find opportunities in your market’s problems, score them objectively and identify where your company’s strengths intersect with market values. Successful innovation happens when you know how to strategically direct your efforts and resources on the best ideas.
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Design
This course teaches you how to take a human-centered approach to market problems, so you can partner with designers to create intuitive products the market will embrace. Innovation isn’t just an idea, it’s how that idea comes into existence through design work.
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