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Pragmatic Institute
Pragmatic Live’s Product Chat is a podcast focused on tackling the biggest challenges facing today‘s product management, product marketing, and other market and data-driven professionals with some of the best minds in the industry.
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Dec 2, 2022 • 58min
How Asset Assessment Can Help You Outmaneuver The Competition
This episode is from our latest Product Chat webinar >> watch the webinar
Join us as we welcome Sandi Olson, Senior Marketing Content Manager at Microsoft for a conversation on how utilizing the right asset assessment techniques can help you to analyze, prioritize and make forward-thinking pivots before your competitors.
In this conversation Sandi will share:
How to approach asset assessment through a lens that allows you to revive, streamline and support any business strategy
Ways you can utilize assessment to better integrate positioning and messaging
How healthy asset hygiene enhances strategy development
Archive, archive, archive
Tools and processes you can leverage to ensure you are finding meaningful opportunities within your assets

Nov 25, 2022 • 34min
What Causes a Launch to Fail?
Validating market problems isn’t about listening only to the noisy 20 percent of the market. Instead, it’s about understanding the needs of the quiet 80 percent too. Without validation, product teams can invest valuable time and resources into an idea that is destined to fall flat.
In this episode of Pragmatic Live, Rebecca Kalogeris, VP of marketing for Pragmatic Institute, interviews Pragmatic instructor Terry Sadowski who candidly shares his experience with a launch failure.
They discuss:
How pressure and novelty can cause you to ignore established processes that protect against launch failures
The ways hindsight reveals all the missteps overlooked in a moment of excitement and energy
How to move forward after a big failed launch
Key advice to avoid a failed launch
Want to learn more about effective launches?
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Nov 18, 2022 • 25min
How to be Dangerously Good at Go-To-Market Strategies
“Go-to-Market work is delayed compounding work, meaning there's delayed gratification, and it compounds over time. So if you're changing up your execution, it’s because there's no strategy. So if you create the strategy and then you do consistent execution, and you do the marketing math to understand what's working and what's not, then you start to get that delayed compounding effect.”
-TK Kadar
In this episode of Pragmatic Live, Rebecca Kalogeris, VP of marketing for Pragmatic Institute, interviews TK Kadar, founder of TK Unstoppable where he advises SaaS Founders on how to build scalable Go-To-Market strategies. TK has an extensive background in strategy, marketing, and he specializes in building, scaling and exiting SaaS businesses
They discuss:
Three pillars of a successful business
Why the market can make or break any product
What makes a great market
How to drive alignment in a company
How to get out of the “one more feature” trap
The difference between strategy and execution
To hear more from TK, subscribe to his YouTube channel. He published a new episode every Sunday. You can also check out his programs at getunstoppable.com.
Keep Learning with Pragmatic Training:
Market.
This course helps you gain a thorough understanding of your buyers and how they like to buy so you can build the product marketing strategies that deliver results.
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Nov 11, 2022 • 38min
How to Build Career Paths and Structure to Empower Your Product Teams
“Just because you hit the metrics for a couple of months doesn’t mean you will be instantly promoted. You need to hit those standards and maintain those standards for a period of time. For the more advanced roles, we want them to maintain those standards for a year. Others maintain those higher standards for six months, etc.” - Corban Wells
In this episode of Pragmatic Live, Rebecca Kalogeris, VP of marketing and product strategy for Pragmatic Institute, interviews Pragmatic Corban Wells, director of product management at Primary Residential Mortgage about the most important thing a product manager can do for their team today.
Corban has been involved in product management for 30 years. His current team consists of 13 product managers responsible for managing four product verticals. Each vertical has a different tech stack, and the team’s job is to make those systems better and more efficient for the 2,500 employees at Primary Residential Mortgage.
In this episode Corban and Rebecca discuss
How to define product manager and product owner
Building development and career paths for product professionals based on KPIs
How clear expectations for each role improve one-on-ones and make the feedback more objective
Pragmatic Provides Training Opportunities for Your Team:
Foundations on Demand
Foundations is the first step to understanding the market and its problems. With that knowledge, you can build and sell products that people actually want to buy. You’ll also learn to master the Pragmatic Framework and the activities needed to bring a successful product to market.
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Nov 4, 2022 • 26min
How to Build High-Performing Teams
“Product teams should stay out of the how and focus on the what, who and why. If we can bring all that context to the table and then we can give our development teams the space to think creatively. To start with a blank canvas. It is a best practice to have a separation of duties between the how and the what.” - Amy Graham
Product managers need to be good partners and create good teams to create great products. We all want to be a part of a high-performing team, we want to build them, and it’s not something that happens accidentally.
So, in this episode of Pragmatic Live, Rebecca Kalogeris, VP of marketing for Pragmatic Institute, interviews Pragmatic instructor Amy Graham about some best practices for building high-performance teams.
They discuss:
The importance of having clarity around roles and responsibilities and understanding what type of team you have (e.g., high market knowledge vs dependent)
How to build trust and collaboration between product and development
Some of the key areas where teamwork starts to break down in companies.
Foundations on Demand
In this course, students learn how to become market-driven by exploring concepts such as how to uncover strategic opportunities, define product team roles and responsibilities, prioritize actual vs. desired business goals, and how to talk to and observe the market in action.
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Oct 28, 2022 • 53min
How To Measure Success Through Every Stage Of The Product Lifecycle
This episode is from our latest Product Chat webinar >> watch the webinar
Join us as we welcome Anand Arivukkarasu, Product Leader (formerly of FB) for a conversation on how you can use measurement to ensure success throughout every stage of the product lifecycle.
In this conversation, Anand will share:
Key KPIs and metrics you should be paying attention to through the development, GTM, growth and product end-of-life phases
Ways to apply measurement to employ strategies and align stakeholders
How to utilize metrics to gain buy-in for current and future initiatives
How to decipher insights between the metrics to ensure you are staying ahead of the curve

Oct 21, 2022 • 35min
How To Create Effective OKRs For Both Teams and Individuals
“It's useful to look at metrics, but metrics are a lot more useful and meaningful if we frame them around why we're measuring that thing to begin with. You want to measure a thing because it's meaningful. And OKRs are how teams put meaning behind the measurement.” - Paul Young
What is your product team measuring to determine progress? What should they be measuring? And what makes a good OKR? In this episode of Pragmatic Live, Rebecca Kalogeris, VP of marketing for Pragmatic Institute, interviews Pragmatic instructor Paul Young about OKRs because you can’t manage what you can’t measure.
They discuss:
The qualities of a good objective
Why you might have multiple key results for each objective
Why you should set a confidence score (on a scale of 1-10) and why every objective should be difficult but not impossible
The difference between OKR and KPI
How many OKRs should you have on your team
Additional Resources
Foundations | The first step to become truly market-driven
This course emphasizes how to develop an understanding of your market and effectively share that information throughout the organization.
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Oct 14, 2022 • 30min
Strategies For Leading and Empowering Effective Product Teams
What’s the hallmark of a strong product team? Anna Turner, VP of Products at Paycor said there are two: being market-driven and stewardship of time and resources.
In this episode of Pragmatic Live, Rebecca Kalogeris, VP of marketing and product strategy for Pragmatic Institute, interviews Anna about empowering and supporting effective product teams
They discuss:
What to look for when hiring a product manager
How product teams can leverage data to improve collaboration and decision-making in the organization
Strategies for nurturing emerging leaders
Training For Your Team | Enroll in Foundations
This course will teach your team how to identify and listen to the entire market and uncover strategic opportunity. They’ll also learn how to implement the Pragmatic Framework.
After completing the course, students are invited to join the robust and active Pragmatic Alumni Community where they will have access free learning opportunities and a library of Pragmatic tools and resources.
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Oct 7, 2022 • 37min
How to Customize Your Win/Loss Program to Improve It’s Effectiveness
“Win/Loss is a garbage-in, garbage-out exercise. There needs to be careful curation and vetting of the information in the program. Otherwise, information is going to be unreliable at best and misleading it worst.”
Not every win-loss program is the same. So how do you build the right one for your company? In this episode of Pragmatic Live, Rebecca Kalogeris, VP of marketing for Pragmatic Institute, interviews two win/loss experts from Anova Consulting: Zach Golden, director of client management, and Will Young, senior research analyst. Anova Consulting is a market-leading win/loss analysis firm. They build win/loss programs by combining technology with high-tough professional services and consulting.
They discuss:
The importance of getting strategic alignment before starting a win/loss program
When is it appropriate to use open-ended or leading questions
How to leverage data and then go beyond the data by bringing together cross-functional teams
Determining how many win/loss interviews are sufficient for gathering insights
Here are Anova's latest articles:
Win/Loss: A Tool Used to Identify Your Company’s Distinctive Competencies
Going Beyond Win/Loss Data
Additional Resources
There is a new course update to Market.
This course helps you gain a thorough understanding of your buyers and how they like to buy so, you can build the product marketing strategies that deliver results.
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Sep 30, 2022 • 47min
How Phased Marketing Strategies Maximize Resources
This episode is from our latest Product Chat webinar >> watch the webinar
Going to market is an exciting yet often anxiety-provoking moment in product development. And there is an onslaught of questions like, will users adopt? Are we articulating our messaging appropriately, and how can we best measure the success of our endeavors?
So how can you utilize phased marketing initiatives to motivate your market to buy a newly launched product or service without breaking the bank or depleting resources?
Arnaud Berube, Senior PMM at Zillow discusses how to approach go-to-market in a way that aligns objectives across your organization and reduces risk.
In this conversation, Arnaud shares:
A framework for connecting business objectives to marketing executions
Ways to use research to size, position and name your products/features
A four-phased GTM approach to prove marketing value and reduce risk
Ways to apply the same methodologies to create a product marketing function to utilize moving forward
Keep Refining Your Go-To-Market Strategies
You can learn more about go-to-market approaches at Pragmatic Institute by enrolling in the Market course.
Market helps you gain a thorough understanding of your buyers and how they like to buy so you can build the product marketing strategies that deliver results. Learn how to align across go-to-market teams by effectively sharing and leveraging your buyer knowledge to prioritize the right product marketing strategies.
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