
Product Chats Podcast
Pragmatic Live’s Product Chat is a podcast focused on tackling the biggest challenges facing today‘s product management, product marketing, and other market and data-driven professionals with some of the best minds in the industry.
Latest episodes

Nov 4, 2022 • 26min
How to Build High-Performing Teams
“Product teams should stay out of the how and focus on the what, who and why. If we can bring all that context to the table and then we can give our development teams the space to think creatively. To start with a blank canvas. It is a best practice to have a separation of duties between the how and the what.” - Amy Graham
Product managers need to be good partners and create good teams to create great products. We all want to be a part of a high-performing team, we want to build them, and it’s not something that happens accidentally.
So, in this episode of Pragmatic Live, Rebecca Kalogeris, VP of marketing for Pragmatic Institute, interviews Pragmatic instructor Amy Graham about some best practices for building high-performance teams.
They discuss:
The importance of having clarity around roles and responsibilities and understanding what type of team you have (e.g., high market knowledge vs dependent)
How to build trust and collaboration between product and development
Some of the key areas where teamwork starts to break down in companies.
Foundations on Demand
In this course, students learn how to become market-driven by exploring concepts such as how to uncover strategic opportunities, define product team roles and responsibilities, prioritize actual vs. desired business goals, and how to talk to and observe the market in action.
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Oct 28, 2022 • 53min
How To Measure Success Through Every Stage Of The Product Lifecycle
This episode is from our latest Product Chat webinar >> watch the webinar
Join us as we welcome Anand Arivukkarasu, Product Leader (formerly of FB) for a conversation on how you can use measurement to ensure success throughout every stage of the product lifecycle.
In this conversation, Anand will share:
Key KPIs and metrics you should be paying attention to through the development, GTM, growth and product end-of-life phases
Ways to apply measurement to employ strategies and align stakeholders
How to utilize metrics to gain buy-in for current and future initiatives
How to decipher insights between the metrics to ensure you are staying ahead of the curve

Oct 21, 2022 • 35min
How To Create Effective OKRs For Both Teams and Individuals
“It's useful to look at metrics, but metrics are a lot more useful and meaningful if we frame them around why we're measuring that thing to begin with. You want to measure a thing because it's meaningful. And OKRs are how teams put meaning behind the measurement.” - Paul Young
What is your product team measuring to determine progress? What should they be measuring? And what makes a good OKR? In this episode of Pragmatic Live, Rebecca Kalogeris, VP of marketing for Pragmatic Institute, interviews Pragmatic instructor Paul Young about OKRs because you can’t manage what you can’t measure.
They discuss:
The qualities of a good objective
Why you might have multiple key results for each objective
Why you should set a confidence score (on a scale of 1-10) and why every objective should be difficult but not impossible
The difference between OKR and KPI
How many OKRs should you have on your team
Additional Resources
Foundations | The first step to become truly market-driven
This course emphasizes how to develop an understanding of your market and effectively share that information throughout the organization.
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Oct 14, 2022 • 30min
Strategies For Leading and Empowering Effective Product Teams
What’s the hallmark of a strong product team? Anna Turner, VP of Products at Paycor said there are two: being market-driven and stewardship of time and resources.
In this episode of Pragmatic Live, Rebecca Kalogeris, VP of marketing and product strategy for Pragmatic Institute, interviews Anna about empowering and supporting effective product teams
They discuss:
What to look for when hiring a product manager
How product teams can leverage data to improve collaboration and decision-making in the organization
Strategies for nurturing emerging leaders
Training For Your Team | Enroll in Foundations
This course will teach your team how to identify and listen to the entire market and uncover strategic opportunity. They’ll also learn how to implement the Pragmatic Framework.
After completing the course, students are invited to join the robust and active Pragmatic Alumni Community where they will have access free learning opportunities and a library of Pragmatic tools and resources.
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Oct 7, 2022 • 37min
How to Customize Your Win/Loss Program to Improve It’s Effectiveness
“Win/Loss is a garbage-in, garbage-out exercise. There needs to be careful curation and vetting of the information in the program. Otherwise, information is going to be unreliable at best and misleading it worst.”
Not every win-loss program is the same. So how do you build the right one for your company? In this episode of Pragmatic Live, Rebecca Kalogeris, VP of marketing for Pragmatic Institute, interviews two win/loss experts from Anova Consulting: Zach Golden, director of client management, and Will Young, senior research analyst. Anova Consulting is a market-leading win/loss analysis firm. They build win/loss programs by combining technology with high-tough professional services and consulting.
They discuss:
The importance of getting strategic alignment before starting a win/loss program
When is it appropriate to use open-ended or leading questions
How to leverage data and then go beyond the data by bringing together cross-functional teams
Determining how many win/loss interviews are sufficient for gathering insights
Here are Anova's latest articles:
Win/Loss: A Tool Used to Identify Your Company’s Distinctive Competencies
Going Beyond Win/Loss Data
Additional Resources
There is a new course update to Market.
This course helps you gain a thorough understanding of your buyers and how they like to buy so, you can build the product marketing strategies that deliver results.
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Sep 30, 2022 • 47min
How Phased Marketing Strategies Maximize Resources
This episode is from our latest Product Chat webinar >> watch the webinar
Going to market is an exciting yet often anxiety-provoking moment in product development. And there is an onslaught of questions like, will users adopt? Are we articulating our messaging appropriately, and how can we best measure the success of our endeavors?
So how can you utilize phased marketing initiatives to motivate your market to buy a newly launched product or service without breaking the bank or depleting resources?
Arnaud Berube, Senior PMM at Zillow discusses how to approach go-to-market in a way that aligns objectives across your organization and reduces risk.
In this conversation, Arnaud shares:
A framework for connecting business objectives to marketing executions
Ways to use research to size, position and name your products/features
A four-phased GTM approach to prove marketing value and reduce risk
Ways to apply the same methodologies to create a product marketing function to utilize moving forward
Keep Refining Your Go-To-Market Strategies
You can learn more about go-to-market approaches at Pragmatic Institute by enrolling in the Market course.
Market helps you gain a thorough understanding of your buyers and how they like to buy so you can build the product marketing strategies that deliver results. Learn how to align across go-to-market teams by effectively sharing and leveraging your buyer knowledge to prioritize the right product marketing strategies.
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Sep 23, 2022 • 42min
The Six Stages of The B2B Innovator Map
“In the past, it's been a little bit of a nebulous process and people trying to grab from Lean Startup and all these different things that are not cohesive as a journey.” - Daniel Elizalde
Innovation work can feel ambiguous and daunting, but Daniel Elizalde is working to bring clarity with a well-defined innovation journey. In this episode of Pragmatic Live, Rebecca Kalogeris, VP of marketing for Pragmatic Institute, interviews Daniel Elizalde, product executive, advisor and author of the B2B Innovators Map.
During this conversation, Rebecca and Daniel explore in-depth the six stages of the B2B innovator map, which are:
Strategic alignment
Market discovery
User discovery
Solution planning
prototyping
Early adopter
They also emphasize a market-first approach where conversations about feasibility happen toward the end of the innovation process, not at the beginning.
“If you can build it, and if you can make money, it doesn't matter if nobody wants it.” —Daniel
You can learn more about Daniel’s work and purchase his book on his website https://danielelizalde.com/
Additional Resources
Market.
This course helps you gain a thorough understanding of your buyers and how they like to buy so, you can build the product marketing strategies that deliver results.
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Want to learn more about effective launches?
Launch is a course that helps you create a more strategic approach to exceed your business objectives. Learn to execute successful launches that align your entire organization around the same strategies and goals.
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Sep 16, 2022 • 24min
Distribution Strategy
This episode is an excellent conversation originally recorded in 2015.
“Sales is a big part of distribution strategy, but we talk about distribution strategy differently at Pragmatic. Distribution strategy is how customers prefer to receive, use and buy your product” - Paul Young
This episode features Pragmatic instructor Paul Young, who shares examples of distribution strategy and the different models around them.
He discusses:
Why distribution strategy can be innovative
Indirect or direct distribution strategy examples
Integration as a distribution strategy
Am outside-in approach to distribution strategy

Sep 9, 2022 • 38min
Distribution Strategy’s Critical Role in Customer Experience
"Distribution strategy is where you make it easy. You can build the greatest product in the world, but if people can’t find it and don’t know how to buy it, then it doesn’t matter what you built.” - Rich Nutinsky
Distribution strategy is often under-appreciated in product management, but it plays a critical role in the product's success and overall customer experience. In this episode of Pragmatic Live, Rebecca Kalogeris, VP of marketing for Pragmatic Institute, interviews Pragmatic instructor Rich Nutinsky about distribution strategy. They discuss:
Examples when distribution strategy was an innovative disrupter in the market
Distribution strategy for software companies
The relationship between customer experience and distribution strategy
Learn more about distribution strategy in the Focus course at Pragmatic institute.Focus also shows you how to find opportunities in your market’s problems, score them objectively and identify where your company’s strengths intersect with market values. Enroll today

Sep 2, 2022 • 1h
A Thought-Exercise on Identifying Distinctive Competencies
“Distinctive Competencies are rarely a product feature because a distinctive competency isn't easily copied and product features. If you come out with a new product feature today, your competitor could copy that within a few months.”
In this episode of Pragmatic Live, Rebecca Kalogeris, VP of marketing for Pragmatic Institute, and Pragmatic instructor Mark Stiving will lead the audience through an exercise to identify and apply distinctive competencies using some of the biggest brands in the world.
Not only will you learn about the power of distinctive competencies, but also how to start thinking about and leveraging them within your own organization.
They also discuss:
What are distinctive competencies and why do they matter
Examples of distinctive competencies at big brands (Disney, Amazon, LinkedIn, Zappos and Walmart)
How to get more differentiation for your products
Enroll in Foundations on Demand Today to learn more about finding your company’s distinctive competencies >> https://www.pragmaticinstitute.com/product/foundations-on-demand/
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