
This is the Way Podcast
We are Artin and Michael, and this podcast is dedicated to aspiring entrepreneurs and founders. We focus on entrepreneurship, career growth, and side hustles with a mission to empower you to know more, do more, and be more. Think of us as your guides, sharing four decades of experience working at top-tier companies like Disney and Netflix while pursuing our own entrepreneurial ventures. But we won’t be the only ones sharing insights—our impressive guests, who’ve forged their own paths, will inspire you to do the same. No matter where you are on your entrepreneurial journey, subscribe and join the ride!
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Dec 12, 2024 • 48min
Beyond ChatGPT: RPA and Advanced AI Tools to Start & Scale Your Business | EP 77
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Benjamin Bressington is the founder of Automate Boring, a company specializing in custom automation and software solutions designed to enhance business productivity and efficiency. Under his leadership, Automate Boring offers services such as Robotic Process Automation (RPA), Intelligent Process Automation (IPA), and bespoke software development, aiming to transform routine tasks into streamlined, automated processes. The company is dedicated to empowering businesses to focus on growth and innovation by leveraging cutting-edge automation technologies.
In this conversation Ben Bresington explore the transformative impact of AI and Robotic Process Automation (RPA) on businesses. They discuss how RPA can automate mundane tasks, allowing employees to focus on higher-value work. The conversation delves into the evolution of AI agents, the implications for virtual assistants, and the potential for AI in creative tasks and customer engagement. They also touch on the challenges and opportunities for small businesses in adopting these technologies, emphasizing the importance of execution and personalization in a competitive landscape. In this conversation, Ben Bressington discusses the transformative power of AI and automation in business, particularly in content creation and marketing. He shares insights on how to leverage AI to create targeted content for different audience segments, the evolution of his business journey, and the tools and strategies he employs for effective automation. Ben emphasizes the importance of understanding buyer journeys and personality styles in marketing, and how automation can lead to significant improvements in efficiency and profitability. He also addresses the common misconceptions about automation and job security, advocating for a mindset shift towards embracing technology as a means to enhance business operations.
Chapters
[00:00] Intro
[01:06] Understanding RPA
[02:34] The Evolution of AI Agents
[09:01] The Future of Automation
[15:34] Personalization in Customer Engagement
[26:17] Leveraging AI for Targeted Content Creation
[34:44] Tools and Strategies for Effective Automation
[46:27] Scaling Automation
[53:36] Winning the Game

Dec 5, 2024 • 50min
How to Become a Millionaire Faster Than You Think, with Ben Kelly | EP 76
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Ben Kelly is the President of Acquisition Ace, a leading firm specializing in business acquisitions and growth strategies. With a keen eye for identifying high-potential opportunities, Ben has successfully guided countless entrepreneurs and businesses through the complexities of acquisitions and scaling. His expertise lies in deal structuring, negotiation, and post-acquisition integration, making him a trusted authority in the field. Known for his strategic approach and dedication to client success, Ben has built a reputation as a dynamic leader passionate about helping businesses thrive in competitive markets.
In this conversation, Ben Kelly shares his journey from a military intelligence officer to a successful entrepreneur who has acquired multiple businesses with minimal investment. He discusses his strategies for finding and acquiring businesses, the importance of networking, and the criteria he uses to evaluate potential acquisitions. Ben emphasizes the significance of time management, recession-resistant industries, and the impact of AI on business valuation. He also provides insights into the valuation process, particularly focusing on Seller Discretionary Earnings (SDE) and the advantages of SBA loans for business acquisitions. In this conversation, Ben Kelly shares insights on business acquisition, focusing on the importance of understanding collateral, overcoming mental barriers, and the necessity of due diligence. He discusses common mistakes made by new acquirers, the potential use of 401k funds for acquisitions, and the tax benefits associated with structuring deals effectively. Additionally, he emphasizes the value of maximizing time as a business owner and approaches to finding off-market deals. The conversation concludes with an overview of the community he has built to support aspiring business acquirers.
Chapters
[00:00] The New American Dream: Ben Kelly's Journey
[10:08] Acquisition Strategies
[20:42] Valuation Insights
[32:41] Key Mistakes in Business Acquisition
[37:49] Using 401k for Business Acquisition
[39:37] Tax Benefits of Business Acquisition
[44:54] Approaching Off-Market Deals

Nov 28, 2024 • 57min
Guide to Creating Multiple Revenue Streams (While Juggling a 9-to-5) - Sean Graham | EP 75
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Sean Graham is a founder, real estate investor, and registered CPA with expertise in scaling teams and leveraging the tax benefits of cost segregation studies. Their real estate journey began with investments in small multi-family properties, which eventually led to the launch of Maven Equities, a commercial real estate syndication company. As Maven Equities expanded, they implemented virtual assistants to scale operations efficiently. This experience inspired the creation of Maven Success, a company dedicated to helping other entrepreneurs source and manage quality overseas talent. Building on this momentum, Sean founded Maven Cost Seg, offering real estate investors access to cost segregation benefits at an affordable price. Alongside these ventures, they actively manage a portfolio of residential rental properties and invest in and develop self-storage facilities. With a professional background in public accounting, tax, and private equity, Sean brings a wealth of knowledge to the real estate and entrepreneurship space.
In this conversation, Sean Graham discusses his journey from a corporate CPA to a successful entrepreneur in real estate and cost segregation. He shares insights on managing contractors, the role of general partners in real estate syndication, and the importance of leveraging CPA expertise in real estate ventures. Sean emphasizes the balance between equity growth and cash flow, the transition from a W-2 job to entrepreneurship, and the significance of consistent content creation. He also reflects on financial management and learning from mistakes in real estate investments.
Chapters
[00:00] Intro
[03:12] Real Estate: The Gateway to Wealth
[11:53] Transitioning to Commercial Real Estate
[15:03] Understanding Syndication in Real Estate
[18:02] Tax Benefits and Cost Segregation Explained
[20:58] The Role of Virtual Assistants in Business
[23:59] Hiring Strategies for Global Talent
[37:16] Navigating Opportunities in Self Storage Investment
[44:25] Transitioning from W-2 to Entrepreneurial Freedom
[52:47] Advice for Aspiring Entrepreneurs on Financial Management
[59:22] Learning from Mistakes in Real Estate Investments

Nov 21, 2024 • 1h
Lessons From My Business Buying Journey - Craig Dickens, CEO | EP 74
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Craig is a serial and parallel entrepreneur. He has invested in dozens of companies, first as an operator and then as an investor. He has participated in virtually every business dynamic from start-up to IPO, merger to acquisition. Having previously partnered with other family offices, private equity, taken one company public, and sold another company to a public company, Craig has deep relationships and experience across the investing landscape as well as access to growth and acquisition capital around the globe.
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Chapters
[00:00] Intro
[02:55] Acquisition vs. Startup: The Growth Dilemma
[06:03] The Subscription Economy: Trends and Insights
[11:52] Evaluating Business Models: Buy vs. Build
[14:59] Organic vs. Inorganic Growth Strategies
[21:00] Navigating Industry Risks and Opportunities
[34:41] Detective Work in Business Transactions
[39:51] Entering New Markets Without Experience
[43:29] Creative Funding Strategies for Acquisitions
[46:31] Common Mistakes in Business Acquisitions
[47:40] Understanding Working Capital
[51:13] A Roadmap for Deal Flow and Analysis
[56:11] Preparing for Business Acquisition
[01:00:56] Advice for Aspiring Entrepreneurs

Nov 14, 2024 • 46min
Is This the End of Remote Work? Amazon’s Risky Move Explained | EP 73
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In this conversation, Artin and Michael discuss the implications of Amazon's decision to require corporate employees to return to the office full-time. They explore the potential consequences for remote work, the challenges of leadership in a hybrid environment, and the importance of adapting to new workplace dynamics. The discussion also touches on generational differences in leadership styles and the impact of proximity bias on career advancement. In this conversation, Michael and Artin explore the evolving dynamics of team collaboration in a post-pandemic world, discussing the challenges and benefits of remote work, the importance of in-person interactions, and the need for clear accountability in performance management. They also touch on mental health considerations in the workplace and speculate on the future of work at major companies like Amazon.
Chapters
[00:00] Intro
[15:02] Leadership in a Remote World
[29:53] Navigating Career Paths
[27:00] Navigating Remote Work Challenges
[30:22] The Importance of In-Person Collaboration
[34:56] Redefining Office Mandates
[39:26] Accountability and Performance Management

Nov 7, 2024 • 52min
Masterclass: 7 Steps to a $500K/Year Coaching Business with Ryan Musselman | EP 72
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Ryan Musselman is the CEO of Coaches Who Close, an organization dedicated to empowering coaches to build high-ticket, profitable coaching businesses. Through strategic frameworks and actionable insights, Ryan equips coaches with the skills to craft compelling $10K+ offers, create transformative client experiences, and scale their impact. With a focus on building meaningful and sustainable enterprises, Ryan helps coaches not only enhance their financial success but also achieve greater personal fulfillment and freedom in their professional lives.
In this conversation, Ryan Musselman, CEO of Coaches Who Close, shares his journey from corporate America to building a successful coaching business. He discusses the importance of content strategy, the balance between niche and broad marketing, and his unique approach to client acquisition through the Create-A-Client protocol. Ryan emphasizes the significance of crafting irresistible offers and making clients feel safe in their buying decisions, ultimately leading to sustainable business growth. In this conversation, Ryan shares his journey of overcoming imposter syndrome, scaling his coaching business with a single effective funnel, and the importance of live coaching and community. He emphasizes the need to simplify complex concepts for clients and reflects on the mistakes made during his entrepreneurial journey, advocating for focused learning and execution.
Chapters
[00:00] Intro
[01:51]Transition from Corporate to Solopreneurship
[06:45] Niche vs. Broad Content Strategy
[08:50] The 99 and the 9: Coaching Models Explained
[12:30] The Coaching Anthem: A New Approach to Sales
[19:29] Create-A-Client Protocol: Building Relationships
[24:11] Crafting Irresistible Offers for Clients
[31:20] Overcoming Imposter Syndrome in Business
[36:15] Scaling with One Effective Funnel
[47:10] Learning from Mistakes and Embracing Simplicity

Oct 31, 2024 • 46min
How Daniel Botero Builds 6-Figure Career Coaches – Fast | EP 71
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In this conversation, Daniel Botero shares his journey from corporate America to becoming a successful career coach. He discusses the evolving role of books in establishing authority, the importance of networking, and how he transitioned to helping career coaches grow their businesses. Daniel emphasizes the significance of finding a niche and adapting to market changes, particularly in the context of international students seeking employment. His insights provide valuable lessons for aspiring entrepreneurs and coaches. In this conversation, Daniel Botero shares his journey from corporate America to becoming a successful career coach. He discusses the fears and challenges he faced, the importance of grit and control in navigating career transitions, and the strategies that have led to his success. The conversation also delves into the significance of conviction in sales, the balance between corporate roles and personal branding, and the tools and platforms that can help aspiring entrepreneurs build their businesses. Daniel emphasizes the value of community and learning from others, as well as the importance of providing structured support to clients in their coaching journeys.
Chapters
[00:00] Intro
[02:52] The Journey to Becoming a Career Coach
[09:01] The Importance of Networking and Relationships
[15:11] Navigating Challenges in the Coaching Business
[17:56] Finding Success in a Niche Market
[24:31] The Importance of Grit in Career Coaching
[39:17] Building a Six-Figure Coaching Business
[42:22] Leveraging LinkedIn for Business Growth
[45:55] Recommended Reads for Aspiring Entrepreneurs

Oct 24, 2024 • 39min
Starting a Coaching Business from Scratch: Fiverr to Multi-6 Figures - Dr Kyle Elliot | EP 70
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In this conversation, Dr. Kyle Elliott shares his remarkable journey from a college side hustle on Fiverr to building a successful six-figure coaching business. He discusses the importance of continuous learning, the value of relationships in client acquisition, and the tailored coaching process he employs to help tech executives. Dr. Elliott emphasizes the significance of delivering exceptional client experiences, overcoming imposter syndrome, and the proactive approach to networking. He also reflects on the lessons learned throughout his entrepreneurial journey, including the importance of seeking mentorship and the value of gradual growth in business.
Chapters
[00:00] Intro
[05:59] Client Acquisition
[08:58] The Coaching Process
[14:49] Navigating Confidence and Imposter Syndrome
[18:03] The Importance of Networking and Proactive Outreach
[21:01] Leveraging LinkedIn
[23:57] Scaling the Business
[27:13] Strengths in Entrepreneurship: Asking for Help
[33:01] Lessons Learned: Mistakes and Growth

Oct 17, 2024 • 39min
Trump's Bet on Elon Musk: Can He Really Streamline Government? | EP 69
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In this conversation, Michael and Artin debate the feasibility of Donald Trump's proposal to create a government efficiency commission led by Elon Musk. They explore the complexities of government operations, the challenges of implementing efficiency, and the role of leadership in driving change. The discussion also touches on historical attempts at government reform, the importance of cultural change, and the metrics used to measure efficiency. They conclude by discussing the significance of accountability, the role of coaches in business, and strategies for overcoming perfectionism in entrepreneurship.
Chapters [00:00] Intro [03:09] The Challenge [05:54] The Role of Leadership [12:07] Cultural Change and Its Impact [20:51] The Importance of Accountability [26:57] Starting a Business with Efficiency in Mind [33:06] The Importance of Market Validation [35:55] Building a Brain Trust for Success

Oct 10, 2024 • 45min
Journey to a Multi 6-Figure Linkedin Business at Just 22 - Julius Bieliaus | EP 68
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In this conversation, Julius shares his journey from uncertainty to building a successful lifestyle business leveraging LinkedIn and email marketing. At just 22 years old, he discusses his strategies for personal branding, audience engagement, and creating sustainable work-life balance while aiming for a million-dollar revenue in 2025. He emphasizes the importance of investing in personal growth, understanding client needs, and optimizing business processes to achieve success.
Chapters
[00:00] Introduction
[03:00] Building a Lifestyle Business
[06:03] Investing in Personal Growth
[09:03] Core Focus: Personal Branding and Sales Funnels
[11:58] Finding the Right Audience on LinkedIn
[17:57] Overcoming Age Bias in Business
[23:55] Optimizing Team Structure and Efficiency
[26:56] Content Creation Strategy
[29:51] Attracting Ideal Clients
[32:58] Leveraging Tools and Automation
[38:54] Final Thoughts