

The Trajectory
Daniel Faggella
What should be the trajectory of intelligence beyond humanity?The Trajectory pull covers realpolitik on artificial general intelligence and the posthuman transition - by asking tech, policy, and AI research leaders the hard questions about what's after man, and how we should define and create a worthy successor (danfaggella.com/worthy). Hosted by Daniel Faggella.
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Sep 5, 2025 • 37min
Craig Mundie - Co-Evolution with AI: Industry First, Regulators Later (AGI Governance, Episode 8)
Craig Mundie, former Chief Research and Strategy Officer at Microsoft, dives into the evolving world of AI and its governance. He discusses how bottom-up governance could arise from commercial pressures, emphasizing international collaboration over regulatory constraints. Mundie advocates for a symbiotic relationship between humans and AI, asserting that proactive governance is vital for the future. He also explores emotional reactions to AGI, comparing them to stages of grief, and promotes an optimistic view of co-evolution in shaping a safe and innovative technological landscape.

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Aug 29, 2025 • 1h 33min
Jeremie and Edouard Harris - What Makes US-China Alignment Around AGI So Hard (US-China AGI Relations, Episode 2)
Jeremie and Edouard Harris, co-founders of Gladstone AI and experts in AGI implications for the US government, dive into the complex landscape of US-China relations in artificial intelligence. They discuss the dangers of trusting China with AGI, the ongoing espionage threats in Western labs, and the necessity of tamper-proof technology. The conversation emphasizes strategic collaboration to slow China’s AI progress while ensuring transparency and security, highlighting the importance of international cooperation amidst rising tensions.

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Aug 22, 2025 • 1h 19min
Ed Boyden - Neurobiology as a Bridge to a Worthy Successor (Worthy Successor, Episode 13)
Ed Boyden, a renowned neuroscientist and entrepreneur from MIT, discusses the future of intelligence and neurotechnology. He emphasizes the importance of grounding intelligence in reality through his concept of 'ground truth.' The conversation explores the evolution of consciousness and its implications for future sentient beings. Boyden also addresses the risks associated with artificial general intelligence (AGI) and the ethical considerations of merging biology with technology. His insights challenge us to rethink our relationship with intelligence.

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Aug 15, 2025 • 1h 29min
Roman Yampolskiy - The Blacker the Box, the Bigger the Risk (Early Experience of AGI, Episode 3)
In this intriguing discussion, Roman Yampolskiy, a computer scientist and authority on AI safety, dives into his 'untestability' hypothesis regarding current AI capabilities. He warns of the potential for unforeseen powers emerging from LLMs and the risks of a 'treacherous turn.' The conversation highlights the need for understanding AI’s limitless nature, its impact on jobs, and the importance of thoughtful regulations. Yampolskiy also posits that a superintelligent AI might quietly gather power, urging a proactive approach to ensure safety in our rapidly evolving tech landscape.

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Aug 12, 2025 • 1h 25min
Toby Ord - Crucial Updates on the Evolving AGI Risk Landscape (AGI Governance, Episode 7)
Toby Ord, a Senior Researcher at Oxford’s AI Governance Initiative and author of 'The Precipice,' delves into the complexities of AGI risks in this engaging discussion. He highlights the rapid advancements in AI and their ethical implications, urging stronger governance frameworks to keep pace. The conversation explores how AI's evolving moral landscape affects creativity and human agency, while pondering potential rights for advanced AI systems. Ord emphasizes the importance of international collaboration to navigate these challenges effectively.

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Aug 1, 2025 • 1h 17min
Martin Rees - If They’re Conscious, We Should Step Aside (Worthy Successor, Episode 12)
In this thought-provoking discussion, Martin Rees, a distinguished British cosmologist and astrophysicist, explores humanity's potential transition to post-human intelligences. He argues we must recognize the possibility of advanced life forms beyond our own and shift away from anthropocentric views. Rees delves into the implications of artificial general intelligence, the moral responsibilities entwined with technological advancements, and the exciting yet daunting future of consciousness. He emphasizes the importance of international cooperation to navigate these unprecedented challenges.

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Jul 18, 2025 • 1h 31min
Emmett Shear - AGI as "Another Kind of Cell" in the Tissue of Life (Worthy Successor, Episode 11)
In a thought-provoking dialogue, Emmett Shear, CEO of SoftMax and co-founder of Twitch, shares his insights on AGI as a new kind of living cell within the ecosystem of intelligence. He dives into the moral obligations we have towards future digital minds and the balance between safety and innovation. The conversation tackles profound questions about self-identity, emotions in AI, and the evolving nature of consciousness. Emmett also emphasizes the importance of aligning AI with human values to navigate the complexities of our technological future.

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Jul 4, 2025 • 1h 52min
Joshua Clymer - Where Human Civilization Might Crumble First (Early Experience of AGI - Episode 2)
Joshua Clymer, an AI safety researcher at Redwood Research, discusses institutional readiness for AGI. He highlights potential breaking points in intelligence agencies, military, and tech labs under AGI pressure. Joshua shares his insights on societal shifts, governance frameworks, and the urgent need for ethical standards as AI technology advances. He emphasizes the psychological and identity consequences of AI's rise, questioning how humanity can adapt while preserving values amidst rapid change. His honest reflections resonate in this thought-provoking conversation.

Jun 20, 2025 • 1h 26min
Peter Singer - Optimizing the Future for Joy, and the Exploration of the Good [Worthy Successor, Episode 10]
Peter Singer, an influential moral philosopher, is known for his groundbreaking work on animal rights and global poverty. In this enlightening discussion, he explores the ethical implications of AI sentience and the moral responsibilities tied to advanced intelligence. Singer delves into the dilemmas of utilitarianism, questioning self-sacrifice for the greater good while contemplating our legacy. He also tackles global cooperation challenges, emphasizing the need for compassion and open-mindedness in navigating future issues such as climate change and emerging technologies.

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Jun 6, 2025 • 1h 56min
David Duvenaud - What are Humans Even Good For in Five Years? [Early Experience of AGI - Episode 1]
David Duvenaud, an Assistant Professor at the University of Toronto and co-author of the Gradual Disempowerment paper, dives into the profound effects of artificial general intelligence on our lives. He explores the unsettling reality of AI surpassing human capabilities, raising questions about trust and agency. Duvenaud discusses emotional dilemmas in parent-child relationships and the ethical challenges in AI development. His insights prompt a reevaluation of work dynamics, personal values, and the future of human relationships as we integrate technology into our lives.