

The Trajectory
Daniel Faggella
What should be the trajectory of intelligence beyond humanity?The Trajectory pull covers realpolitik on artificial general intelligence and the posthuman transition - by asking tech, policy, and AI research leaders the hard questions about what's after man, and how we should define and create a worthy successor (danfaggella.com/worthy). Hosted by Daniel Faggella.
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Aug 15, 2025 • 1h 29min
Roman Yampolskiy - The Blacker the Box, the Bigger the Risk (Early Experience of AGI, Episode 3)
In this intriguing discussion, Roman Yampolskiy, a computer scientist and authority on AI safety, dives into his 'untestability' hypothesis regarding current AI capabilities. He warns of the potential for unforeseen powers emerging from LLMs and the risks of a 'treacherous turn.' The conversation highlights the need for understanding AI’s limitless nature, its impact on jobs, and the importance of thoughtful regulations. Yampolskiy also posits that a superintelligent AI might quietly gather power, urging a proactive approach to ensure safety in our rapidly evolving tech landscape.

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Aug 12, 2025 • 1h 25min
Toby Ord - Crucial Updates on the Evolving AGI Risk Landscape (AGI Governance, Episode 7)
Toby Ord, a Senior Researcher at Oxford’s AI Governance Initiative and author of 'The Precipice,' delves into the complexities of AGI risks in this engaging discussion. He highlights the rapid advancements in AI and their ethical implications, urging stronger governance frameworks to keep pace. The conversation explores how AI's evolving moral landscape affects creativity and human agency, while pondering potential rights for advanced AI systems. Ord emphasizes the importance of international collaboration to navigate these challenges effectively.

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Aug 1, 2025 • 1h 17min
Martin Rees - If They’re Conscious, We Should Step Aside (Worthy Successor, Episode 12)
In this thought-provoking discussion, Martin Rees, a distinguished British cosmologist and astrophysicist, explores humanity's potential transition to post-human intelligences. He argues we must recognize the possibility of advanced life forms beyond our own and shift away from anthropocentric views. Rees delves into the implications of artificial general intelligence, the moral responsibilities entwined with technological advancements, and the exciting yet daunting future of consciousness. He emphasizes the importance of international cooperation to navigate these unprecedented challenges.

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Jul 18, 2025 • 1h 31min
Emmett Shear - AGI as "Another Kind of Cell" in the Tissue of Life (Worthy Successor, Episode 11)
In a thought-provoking dialogue, Emmett Shear, CEO of SoftMax and co-founder of Twitch, shares his insights on AGI as a new kind of living cell within the ecosystem of intelligence. He dives into the moral obligations we have towards future digital minds and the balance between safety and innovation. The conversation tackles profound questions about self-identity, emotions in AI, and the evolving nature of consciousness. Emmett also emphasizes the importance of aligning AI with human values to navigate the complexities of our technological future.

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Jul 4, 2025 • 1h 52min
Joshua Clymer - Where Human Civilization Might Crumble First (Early Experience of AGI - Episode 2)
Joshua Clymer, an AI safety researcher at Redwood Research, discusses institutional readiness for AGI. He highlights potential breaking points in intelligence agencies, military, and tech labs under AGI pressure. Joshua shares his insights on societal shifts, governance frameworks, and the urgent need for ethical standards as AI technology advances. He emphasizes the psychological and identity consequences of AI's rise, questioning how humanity can adapt while preserving values amidst rapid change. His honest reflections resonate in this thought-provoking conversation.

Jun 20, 2025 • 1h 26min
Peter Singer - Optimizing the Future for Joy, and the Exploration of the Good [Worthy Successor, Episode 10]
Peter Singer, an influential moral philosopher, is known for his groundbreaking work on animal rights and global poverty. In this enlightening discussion, he explores the ethical implications of AI sentience and the moral responsibilities tied to advanced intelligence. Singer delves into the dilemmas of utilitarianism, questioning self-sacrifice for the greater good while contemplating our legacy. He also tackles global cooperation challenges, emphasizing the need for compassion and open-mindedness in navigating future issues such as climate change and emerging technologies.

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Jun 6, 2025 • 1h 56min
David Duvenaud - What are Humans Even Good For in Five Years? [Early Experience of AGI - Episode 1]
David Duvenaud, an Assistant Professor at the University of Toronto and co-author of the Gradual Disempowerment paper, dives into the profound effects of artificial general intelligence on our lives. He explores the unsettling reality of AI surpassing human capabilities, raising questions about trust and agency. Duvenaud discusses emotional dilemmas in parent-child relationships and the ethical challenges in AI development. His insights prompt a reevaluation of work dynamics, personal values, and the future of human relationships as we integrate technology into our lives.

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May 23, 2025 • 1h 48min
Kristian Rönn - A Blissful Successor Beyond Darwinian Life [Worthy Successor, Episode 9]
Kristian Rönn, author and CEO of the AI governance startup Lucid, dives into the provocative themes of posthuman intelligences and their potential to shape our future. He discusses the critical traits that define a 'worthy successor,' emphasizing truth-seeking and ethical self-awareness. The conversation explores the intersection of AI and human consciousness, questioning the implications for identity and morality. Rönn also advocates for aligning AI systems with societal values and introduces innovative concepts like reputational markets to foster ethical behavior.

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May 9, 2025 • 1h 42min
Jack Shanahan - Avoiding an AI Race While Keeping America Strong [US-China AGI Relations, Episode 1]
In this discussion, Jack Shanahan, a three-star General and former Director of the Joint AI Center, emphasizes the critical need for U.S.-China cooperation on artificial intelligence to avert an arms race. He highlights the dual-use nature of AI and its implications for national security and global power dynamics. Shanahan warns against escalating geopolitical tensions and advocates for clear communication between tech companies and government agencies. His insights call for regulatory frameworks that balance innovation with ethical considerations and collective safety.

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Apr 25, 2025 • 1h 46min
Richard Ngo - A State-Space of Positive Posthuman Futures [Worthy Successor, Episode 8]
This is an interview with Richard Ngo, AGI researcher and thinker - with extensive stints at both OpenAI and DeepMind.This is an additional installment of our "Worthy Successor" series - where we explore the kinds of posthuman intelligences that deserve to steer the future beyond humanity.This episode referred to the following other essays and resources:-- A Worthy Successor - The Purpose of AGI: https://danfaggella.com/worthy-- Richard's exploratory fiction writing - http://narrativeark.xyz/Watch this episode on The Trajectory YouTube channel: https://youtu.be/UQpds4PXMjQ See the full article from this episode: https://danfaggella.com/ngo1...There three main questions we cover here on the Trajectory:1. Who are the power players in AGI and what are their incentives?2. What kind of posthuman future are we moving towards, or should we be moving towards?3. What should we do about it?If this sounds like it's up your alley, then be sure to stick around and connect:-- Blog: danfaggella.com/trajectory -- X: x.com/danfaggella -- LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/danfaggella -- Newsletter: bit.ly/TrajectoryTw-- Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-trajectory/id1739255954