
The Pie: An Economics Podcast
Economists are always talking about The Pie – how it grows and shrinks, how it’s sliced, and who gets the biggest shares. Join host Tess Vigeland as she talks with leading economists from the University of Chicago about their cutting-edge research and key events of the day. Hear how the economic pie is at the heart of issues like the aftermath of a global pandemic, jobs, energy policy, and more.
Latest episodes

Apr 2, 2024 • 27min
Recessions: What Are They Good For? Possibly Your Health
When the Great Recession hit in 2007, it produced the largest decline in US employment since the Great Depression. It also substantially reduced mortality. In this episode of The Pie, Matt Notowidigdo discusses how economic downturns can lead to valuable health gains that may even offset some of the negative consequences of recessions.

Mar 19, 2024 • 36min
Knowing When to Stop: The Unintended Consequences of Monetary Policy
Panel discussion with Raghuram Rajan, Charles Evans, and Randall Kroszner on central bank responsibilities, unintended consequences of monetary policy, implications of altering inflation targets, challenges faced by Chairman Powell, distinguishing actions for financial stability, and unconventional bank stress testing scenarios.

Mar 5, 2024 • 30min
From Authoritarianism to Democracy: The Political Economy of Latin America
Anti-democratic sentiment is on the rise across Latin America. This episode of The Pie explores the evolving political and economic landscape of Latin America, highlighting the region's experimentation with democratization and the growing threats of authoritarianism. Luis Martinez, Assistant Professor at the Harris School of Public Policy, discusses how economic reforms and pro-market transformations, despite their benefits, have left segments of the population feeling underrepresented and disillusioned.

Feb 20, 2024 • 27min
Closing the Achievement Gap: Is There an App for That?
Children whose parents have college degrees are often more skilled readers than children whose parents didn't attend college. In this episode of The Pie, Harris Policy Professor Ariel Kalil discusses how certain technologies can help improve literacy skills for disadvantaged children.

Feb 6, 2024 • 19min
Two Economies, Two Years of War: An Update on Economic Conditions in Russia and Ukraine
Russian-born economist Konstantin Sonin, Professor at the University of Chicago Harris School of Public Policy, joins The Pie to provide an update on the economic impacts of the ongoing conflict between Russia and Ukraine. Sonin discusses how the war affects standards of living and output in both countries, and shares his predictions for what the future holds.

Jan 23, 2024 • 21min
Conflict-Free or Conflict Displaced? Mine Certifications and Conflict in the Congo
Many mines in the eastern Democratic Republic of the Congo are controlled by armed groups that frequently engage in conflict with nearby civilians. In this episode of The Pie, Hans Christensen, Professor of Accounting at Chicago Booth, and Samuel Chang, PhD student in Accounting, discuss what happens when mines become certified as conflict-free. Hint: It’s not what you might expect.

Jan 9, 2024 • 40min
Tearing Down Healthcare to Rebuild it for Everyone: A Panel on the Economics of Insurance Reform
In this lively discussion, Amy Finkelstein, a health economist from MIT and co-author of "We've Got You Covered", teams up with Mark McClellan, former FDA commissioner and Duke University professor specializing in health policy. They dive into the urgent need for U.S. healthcare reform, dissecting political dynamics and comparing international models. The talk covers risk adjustment in insurance, the complexities of funding healthcare innovations, and critiques the high spending versus poor outcomes paradox. Together, they explore a vision for a fairer and more efficient system.

Dec 26, 2023 • 24min
12 Months of Economics: Vultures, ChatGPT, Student Loans, and the Social Safety Net
What happens to humans when vultures go extinct? Why did the student loan pause increase debt? Plus, do government benefits change how parents invest in their kids? To wrap up 2023, Tess Vigeland reviews some of the economic research we've featured on the show throughout the year. Plus, a word from the UChicago team behind The Pie.

Dec 12, 2023 • 23min
The Economics of Reproductive Choice
Yana Gallen, an Assistant Professor at the Harris School of Public Policy, shares insights from her research on the economic implications of reproductive choices. She discusses how unplanned pregnancies can lead to significant earnings losses for women, while planned births are less detrimental. The conversation highlights the historical impact of birth control on women's career trajectories and the importance of policy in shaping these decisions. Gallen also explores the interplay between motherhood and academia, revealing complex dynamics in work-life balance.

Nov 28, 2023 • 23min
Are you Trapped on Social Media?
Would you rather keep things as is, or, remove yourself and all your friends from social media? You aren’t alone if you chose the latter. Recent research from UChicago economist Leo Bursztyn ushers new survey evidence to show how fear of missing out keeps some users online. Learn more on The Pie.
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