
The Pie: An Economics Podcast
Economists are always talking about The Pie – how it grows and shrinks, how it’s sliced, and who gets the biggest shares. Join host Tess Vigeland as she talks with leading economists from the University of Chicago about their cutting-edge research and key events of the day. Hear how the economic pie is at the heart of issues like the aftermath of a global pandemic, jobs, energy policy, and more.
Latest episodes

Aug 20, 2024 • 25min
Creative Destruction: Why Innovation is Crucial for Growth
Ufuk Akcigit, a leading economics professor renowned for his research on growth via technological progress, discusses the vital role of innovation in economic growth. He highlights 'creative destruction' as a key driver of productivity and living standards. The conversation delves into historical lessons from Germany's economic divide and the conflict between innovation and market dominance, with established companies stifling new ideas. Akcigit also emphasizes the importance of talent allocation in nurturing future inventors, advocating for a merit-based system.

Aug 6, 2024 • 27min
Using Machine Learning to Predict—and Prevent—Police Misconduct
In the wake of numerous high-profile incidents of police use of force, particularly against Black Americans, law enforcement agencies across the United States are confronting issues of officer misconduct. Whether such misconduct is preventable depends in part on whether it is predictable. In this episode of The Pie, Greg Stoddard, Senior Research Director for the Crime Lab and Education Lab, discusses recent research using administrative data from the Chicago Police Department to predict officers misconduct, before it happens.

Jul 23, 2024 • 26min
What Went Wrong With Federal Student Loans?
The United States is in the midst of a student loan crisis, with over 45 million borrowers owing more than $1.6 trillion in federal dollars. On this episode of The Pie, Constantine Yannelis, Associate Professor of Finance at the Booth School of Business, argues that federal policy is to blame: Decades of regulation and de-regulation have given way to skyrocketing rates of risky borrowing.

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Jul 15, 2024 • 45min
The Uncertainties of Climate Change
Professors David Keith, Franklin Allen, and José Scheinkman discuss incentivizing climate change solutions. Topics include restructuring market incentives, Amazon reforestation, financial innovations, fusion technology, and challenges in governmental solutions. The podcast explores the role of finance in driving environmental change and the importance of collaboration for achieving net zero emissions.

Jun 25, 2024 • 21min
Using Cellphone Data to Observe Religious Worship in the United States
What do location data from roughly 2.1 million cellphones say about religiosity in the United States? In this episode of The Pie, Devin Pope, Professor of Economics and Behavioral Science at the Booth School of Business, paints a new picture of who goes to church, how often, and the other types of activities they do (or don’t) partake in.

Jun 11, 2024 • 31min
India’s Economic Future
India’s government has big goals for economic growth. The former Governor of the country’s Reserve Bank, Raghuram Rajan, argues that India won't be able (and shouldn't try) to follow traditional methods of development. Professor Rajan, now of the the Chicago Booth School of Business, joins The Pie to discuss India’s untraveled path to prosperity.

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May 28, 2024 • 24min
ChatGPT: Who’s Adopting, Who’s Abstaining, and Why?
A year-and-a-half after its launch, half of workers report having used ChatGPT on the job. On this episode of The Pie, Anders Humlum, Assistant Professor at the Chicago Booth School of Business, shares results from a recent, large-scale survey profiling the workers who are leading the generative AI curve.

May 14, 2024 • 26min
Is College Worth It? Measuring the Returns to Higher Education
Economist Jack Mountjoy from the University of Chicago discusses the returns of higher education. He examines the impact of college choices on student trajectories, cost-benefit analysis of enrolling academically marginal students, and the value of college education for these students, highlighting earnings, dropout rates, and societal benefits.

Apr 30, 2024 • 24min
Fighting Traffic in Chicago: Lower Fares, More Trains, Fewer Buses
American cities are overreliant on cars. Policies for reducing this gridlock and pollution range from changing public transit fares or frequencies to introducing new tolls. In this episode of The Pie, Milena Almagro, Assistant Professor of Economics at Chicago Booth, shares her research showing the optimal mix of these policies for cities dealing with transit issues.

Apr 16, 2024 • 27min
Which Companies Discriminate Most? Experimental Evidence on Callback Rates by Applicant Race and Gender
A small number of companies are responsible for a substantial amount of the discrimination in today’s labor market. Who are they? In this episode of The Pie, Evan Rose, the Neubauer Family Assistant Professor in Economics discusses results from his recent experiment to measure discrimination among the largest employers in the United States.
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