
Evolve Move Play Podcast
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Jun 6, 2023 • 1h 29min
Improve How You Move With DAVID GREY | EMP Podcast 122
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Welcome back to the Evolve Move Play Podcast!
Today we’re joined by David Grey, the CEO of David Grey Rehab
David has developed his own unique method of helping people with their pain and movement, and now works with clients from all walks of life, including some of the best athletes in the world.
Today he’s joining us to talk about tools, concepts and techniques that can help us avoid injury and improve the way we understand and perform athletic movement.
I really enjoyed having David on the show, if you also enjoyed this conversation and would like to support the channel, be sure to share, leave a like, comment, and subscribe if you haven’t.
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 - Intro
00:34 - Workshop Ad
01:33 - Dave's Background
04:39 - Gaelic Football, Sports and Injury Rates\
22:03 - Compressive Vs Expansive Movement Strategies
27:48 - Fluid Dynamics in the Torso & Sparta Movement
39:40 - Internal Rotation/Pronation/Eversion for Athletic Performance
55:02 - Ankle Dorsiflexion
01:04:02 - Parkour v Sprinting / Yielding v. Overcoming
01:12:48 - Ankle Things and Parkour Plyometric Progression
01:19:45 - Avoiding Achilles Tendon Injuries
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DAVID GREY
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Web: https://davidgreyrehab.com/

May 15, 2023 • 2h 1min
Movement For Meaning And Self Mastery With MASA SUZUKI | EMP Podcast 121
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Welcome back to the Evolve Move Play Podcast!
Today we’re joined by Masa Suzuki.
While he’s been a member of the parkour community since 2004, Masa’s movement journey has led him to become incredibly skilled in a wide variety of arts and disciplines, including ninjitsu, tumbling, and professional dance. He’s also spent a lot of time training in the realm of movement culture, both with Ido Portal and our good friends over at Fighting Monkey.
Having such a similar breadth of experience that also initially stemmed from a deep love for parkour, we were really excited to have him join us. During this chat we’ll dive into how his training and philosophy has evolved over the years, the powerful influences of injury, culture, language, and intention, and the importance of adaptability in both how we move, and how we approach problems in our lives.
I really enjoyed having Masa on the show, if you also enjoyed this conversation and would like to support the channel, be sure to share, leave a like, comment, and subscribe if you haven’t.
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 – Masa Intro
00:37 - Workshop Ad
1:36 - Masa’s Beginnings
13:02 - Breaking the Jump with Community
16:59 - Masa Leaves Japan
21:27 - Dance, Rhythmicality, Musicality
25:21 - Ninjitsu
30:13 - Being in the States, Competition
34:58 - Seattle Parkour Spots, Organic & Inorganic Environments
45:27 - Overwork, Injury & Movement Practice
59:58 - Movement Culture
01:07:06 - Goal Setting and Meaning in Life
01:16:23 - Differentiating Movement & Parkour
01:25:00 - Truth and Knowing
01:30:06 - The Importance of Language
01:37:32 - Chi
01:45:35 - Fighting Monkey, Ecological Dynamics & Adaptive Movement
01:52:46 - Masa’s Training Week
01:57:54 - Dance and Martial Arts
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MASA SUZUKI
IG: https://www.instagram.com/pkmasa/
IG: https://www.instagram.com/shinobi_mover/

May 8, 2023 • 1h 41min
The Philosophy And Early Days Of Parkour With Julian Donovan EMP Podcast 120
Join Julian Donovan, an emergency medicine doctor and a pivotal figure in the early Cambridge parkour scene, as he revisits the roots of parkour. He shares how discovering parkour transformed his perception of freedom and creativity. Julian reflects on the community's early days, the influence of key mentors, and the rivalry that shaped its evolution. He also dives into the philosophy behind parkour and its surprising impact on personal and professional choices, connecting physical discipline to success in high-pressure environments.

May 1, 2023 • 1h 54min
Building Athletic Strength The Smart Way With CLIFTON HARSKI | EMP Podcast 119
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Welcome back to the Evolve Move Play Podcast!
Today we’re joined by Clifton Harski!
Cliff is the Director of Education for Pain Free Performance, and has previously been the director of programming and national head coach for Fitwall; a Master Trainer with KB Athletics; and a Master Trainer for MovNat.
In this conversation we’ll be covering a lot of ground, looking at the difference between practical, classical, and romantic training methods, the do’s and don’ts of strength training for kids as well as athletes, and the overall importance of selecting a method of practice that aligns with your needs and goals.
We also chat about what it’s like to be a professional coach/trainer, the subject of commercial viability,and properly selecting your target market.
I really enjoyed this conversation, and hope to have Cliff back on the program soon. If you enjoyed it as well, be sure to leave a like, comment, and subscribe if you haven’t.
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 – Cliff Intro
00:28 – Workshop Ad
01:27 - Cliff’s Niche & Background
08:04 - Practical, Classical & Romantic Training
12:50 - Commercial Viability
20:28 - MovNat & Coaching Workshops
33:56 - Kettlebell Training
45:53 - Adjusting Strength Metrics
52:16 - Preparing Youth Athletes
01:00:27 - Assessing Strength Training and Athletic Movement
01:12:09 - Foot and Ankle Strength
01:21:18 - Accommodating Resistance & Specificity
01:26:56 - Tracking Metrics and Generalist Movement
01:31:43 - Aliveness & Complexity
01:38:59 - Zoning In vs. Zoning Out
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Clifton Harski
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Apr 24, 2023 • 1h 5min
Embracing The Human Animal With Victor Fleites | EMP Podcast 118
Victor Fleites, a movement instructor and creator of Tarzan Movement, shares his passion for arboreal movement and primal training. He discusses the challenges of group training and the joy found in connecting with nature through tree climbing. Victor emphasizes the importance of mindfulness, intuition, and understanding fears in developing confidence. He also reflects on living simply in Barcelona and how embracing natural movement helps balance mind and body, fostering genuine experiences and personal growth in today's fast-paced society.

Apr 17, 2023 • 1h 39min
Reenchanting The Earth With Chandler Stevens & Dave Wardman | EMP Podcast 117
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Welcome back to the Evolve Move Play Podcast!
Today we’re joined by Dave Wardman and Chandler Stevens, who are sitting down with Rafe to discuss the concept of reenchantment as outlined in Morris Berman’s book “The Reenchantment of the World”
If you enjoy the conversation, please be sure to like, share, and subscribe if you aren’t already.
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 – Intro
00:22 – Ad | EMP Weekend Workshop Tour
01:21 - Weighing in on the book
09:28 - What is “Disenchantment”?
19:23 - The Perception Problem
23:28 - Liberation
30:38 - Categorization & Embodiment
42:10 - Anger & Rough & Tumble Play
44:57 - Wisdom and learning
54:41 - Schizophrenia & Shamanic Tradition
01:08:13 - Getting the practices to talk to each other
01:14:43 – Doing Community Well
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Dave Wardman
-IG: https://www.instagram.com/physicalalchemy/
-Web: https://physicalalchemy.com.au/
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Chandler Stevens
-Web https://chandlerstevens.com/

Apr 10, 2023 • 1h 58min
Aikido Vs MMA With ROKAS LEONAVICIUS | EMP Podcast 116
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Welcome back to the Evolve Move Play Podcast!
Today we’re joined by Rokas Leonavicius.
Rokas is a former Aikido instructor and founder of the Martial Arts Journey YouTube Channel.
Today he’ll be joining us to talk about his transformative journey through the world of martial arts, beginning as a die hard Aikido ka, finding himself disillusioned with the art and many of it’s practitioners, and eventually breaking from the dogma of his instructor and community to explore the world of Mixed Martial Arts.
Along the way, he’ll also share how this journey played a big role in shaping his own character, his career, and even his spiritual worldviews.
I really enjoyed this conversation, and if you do too, please be sure to like, share, and subscribe if you aren’t already.
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 - Intro
00:29 - Internal Ad | EMP Workshops
01:28 - Rokas’ Background
14:48 - Crisis of Faith
19:55 - The Importance of Pressure Testing
26:02 - Moving towards Combat Sports
31:50 - The Community Response
43:08 - Losing the Religion
50:30 - Questioning the Spiritual Aspect
57:42 - Changing World Views
01:07:15 - Finding Matt Thornton
01:17:05 - Professional MMA Training with John Kavanagh
01:22:46 - Reunifying Philosophy with Gymnasia
01:44:40 - Psychological Disciplines and Training for Transfer
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Rokas Leonavicius
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-YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@MartialArtsJourney
-Second YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Rokasleo

Apr 3, 2023 • 1h 20min
Improving Athletic Performance Through Play With AUSTIN JOCHUM |EMP Podcast 115
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Welcome back to the Evolve Move Play Podcast!
Today we’re joined by Austin Jochum.
Austin is the owner of Jochum Strength, where he’s been helping his athletes improve their game through exposing them to a wide variety of complex movement practices while utilizing a play-based, constraints led approach in training.
In this conversation we’re going to look at some of the specific ways he’s been implementing his method, the benefits that he’s seen in both his own performance and that of his athletes, the importance of using play to drive progress and fuel motivation, and the immense responsibility that coaches have in properly developing both the physical and mental qualities within their athletes and students.
I really enjoyed this conversation, and if you do too, please be sure to like, share, and subscribe if you aren’t already.
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 - Intro
00:17 – Internal Ad
02:35 - Bouldering Benefits
07:31 - The Transferability of Complexity
13:25 - Utilizing Play for Sports Performance
17:20 - Embracing Strengths and Addressing Weaknesses
26:13 - From Meathead to Movement Maven
32:11 - Fragile Strength
36:49 - Detrimental Coaching Practices & Placebo Effects
47:16 - Feeding and Escaping the Fragile Mindset
59:14 - Balancing Metrics and Intuitive Progress Tracking
01:03:46 - Athletic Programming
01:10:41 - Influences and Applications
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Austin Jochum
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Mar 29, 2023 • 1h 12min
How To Build An Independent Athlete With BOBBY WHYTE | EMP Podcast 114
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Welcome back to the Evolve Move Play Podcast!
Today we’re joined by Bobby Whyte, an athletic performance and basketball skill enhancement trainer operating out of Northern New Jersey.
Much of Bobby’s work as a basketball trainer is rooted in the constraints led approach which is a huge component of how we structure our teaching at Evolve Move Play, so it was really interesting to sit down with him and see how he applies his thinking to the world of basketball.
In today’s chat, we’ll learn a little bit about his past, how he struggled with and overcame heroin addiction, and how that experience has positively impacted the way he approaches and connects with his students today. We’ll also take a deep dive into his thoughts and practices around skill specific training, strength and conditioning work, and injury avoidance.
If you enjoy the conversation, please be sure to like, share, and subscribe if you aren’t already.
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 - Intro
00:17 – Internal Ad
00:50 - Intro/Bobby’s Backg-round
10:48 - Leading with Vulnerability
17:18 - Skill Specific Training, Overcoaching & Coyote Mentoring
28:58 - Integrating Strength & Skill
41:30 - Jump Training in Basketball
51:06 - Starting early, Pickup v. AAU, Pursuing Greatness
54:35 - Dealing with Jumper's Knee & Ankle Sprains
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Mar 20, 2023 • 1h 34min
A Better Conversation About Race With CHLOE VALDARY | EMP Podcast 113
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Welcome back to the Evolve Move Play Podcast!
On this episode we’re joined once again by Chloe Valdary!
Chloe is the founder of Theory of Enchantment which helps businesses fight racism systematically by combining the teaching of Dr. Martin Luther King with developmental psychology and pop culture materials. Through her work she aims to help others develop their understanding of social emotional learning and improve their ability to take care of each other.
This chat will revolve around the topics of social justice, racism, and how Chloe’s work at Theory of Enchantment helps pave a better path towards bridging gaps in ideology and deeply recognizing the shared humanity in others.
If you enjoy the conversation, please be sure to like, share, and subscribe if you aren’t already.
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 – Intro
00:31 – EMP Retreats
01:03 - Chloe’s background/What is Enchantment
16:37 - Reciprocal Narrowing/Opening/The Salience of Race
42:55 - Going Beyond the Propositional
52:52 - The Progress of the Civil Rights Movement
01:04:26 - The Problem with Utopia/DEI
01:16:55 - The Tyranny of Imposed Equity/Capitalism & Community
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Chloe Valdary
-IG: https://www.instagram.com/theoryofenchantment/
-Twitter: @enchanttheory or @cvaldary
-Web: https://www.theoryofenchantment.com
Resources Mentioned
Morris Berman - The Reenchantment of the Earth
Christopher Lasch - The True and Only Heaven
Tom Holland - Dominion
Jonathan Haidt - The Coddling of the American Mind
James Baldwin - The Fire Next Time
Martin Luther King Jr. - The Strength of Love
James Scott - Seeing Like a State
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