

DMEXCO Podcast by Verena Gründel
Verena Gründel - DMEXCO
Where Digital Marketing Minds Meet: The DMEXCO Podcast is your backstage pass to the people shaping the future of digital marketing, media, and commerce. Every two weeks, Verena Gründel, DMEXCO host, Marketing Expert and former Chief Editor, talks to the brightest minds in the industry – from bold agency founders and disruptive CMOs to global C-level executives and change-makers.
We go beyond the buzzwords. Together, we decode the strategies, trends, and transformations behind real business impact – and dive into how companies are using data, creativity, and technology to win attention, drive conversion, and scale sustainably.
We get to know the people behind the change. Our guests share candid insights, untold stories, and actionable ideas from inside the engine rooms of digital marketing – and from their personal journey and passion. Last but not least we ask all our guests one pivotal question: What’s your personal conversion hack?
The DMEXCO Podcast is part of the DMEXCO ecosystem – Europe's leading digital marketing and tech event for C-level and decision makers, held every September in Cologne. As the digital economy’s biggest conversation hub, DMEXCO brings together marketeers, creatives, and technologists from around the world.
New episodes every two weeks. Be curious. Think forward.
We go beyond the buzzwords. Together, we decode the strategies, trends, and transformations behind real business impact – and dive into how companies are using data, creativity, and technology to win attention, drive conversion, and scale sustainably.
We get to know the people behind the change. Our guests share candid insights, untold stories, and actionable ideas from inside the engine rooms of digital marketing – and from their personal journey and passion. Last but not least we ask all our guests one pivotal question: What’s your personal conversion hack?
The DMEXCO Podcast is part of the DMEXCO ecosystem – Europe's leading digital marketing and tech event for C-level and decision makers, held every September in Cologne. As the digital economy’s biggest conversation hub, DMEXCO brings together marketeers, creatives, and technologists from around the world.
New episodes every two weeks. Be curious. Think forward.
Episodes
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Sep 16, 2025 • 32min
MINI’s CMO Jennifer Treiber-Ruckenbrod on Bold Branding, Diversity and Failure Culture
“If I have to ask for permission, then it’s not Mini."In this episode, Verena Gründel speaks with Jennifer Treiber-Ruckenbrod, Head of Brand & Marketing at Mini, about what it means to lead a brand with courage in a highly regulated and risk-averse automotive environment. Having worked across BMW, BMW Motorrad, Rolls-Royce, and now Mini, Jennifer shares how she’s bringing back Mini’s challenger spirit with creative risk-taking, campaigns that push boundaries, and an authentic commitment to diversity.One of the most vivid stories in the episode is the guerrilla-style campaign involving British Airways. A bold creative on a Mini Convertible, referencing “Britishness,” was launched without any prior approval from the airline. The result? They had to take the billboards down - but not before the campaign sparked buzz, pride, and also applause internally. She reveals why Mini’s boldest moves come from staying true to its DNA. The two talk about building a real culture of failure, how AI plays a role in Mini’s transformation, and why great ideas don’t come from permission but from passion.Discover:What happened when Mini spoofed British Airways without askingIf “Don’t buy this car” might be Mini’s future sloganHow her team used AI for campaigns and learned to love itWhy trust, heritage and a clear brand core are the real enablers of boldnessHow Jennifer leads creative teams within a large corporation without losing agilityGet inspired by Mini’s unapologetically bold marketing - and by Jennifer’s fearless leadership.And if you want to hear more from Jennifer: don’t miss her keynote “CTRL+ALT+MINI” at the CMO Summit on September 18 at 10:35 AM at DMEXCO. Expect bold insights, fresh perspectives and nothing ordinary: https://community.dmexco.com/event/dmexco-2025/planning/UGxhbm5pbmdfMjc0ODIyNQ==

Sep 9, 2025 • 19min
The Ultimate DMEXCO 2025 Overview
Get ready for DMEXCO 2025! In this episode, Verena Gründel walks you through everything you need to know for two inspiring days in Cologne – from headline speakers and new formats to side events and insider tips.If you don’t have much time, here are Verena’s three must-sees at DMEXCO 2025:Discover fresh perspectives at the brand-new Thought Leaders SummitExplore innovation at the Commerce LoungeAnd don’t miss The Brands’ Trend Grand Jury, live at the CMO Summit. Bold ideas guaranteed!Essentials & OrganizationDates & Venue: September 17–18, 2025, Koelnmesse, Halls 6–8.Opening Hours: Wednesday 9:00–18:30 (booth parties run later), Thursday 9:00–17:30.Good to know: Your ticket doubles as a public transport pass and is automatically loaded in the DMEXCO app (hall plan, exhibitor list, full program, networking tools, and session recordings).Comfort upgrade: Additional restrooms, including unisex facilities, to avoid long queues. DMEXCO Summits 2025:DMEXCO Thought Leaders’ SummitDMEXCO CMO Summit - powered by Digiday and W&VDMEXCO Commerce Summit in partnership with ShopifyDMEXCO Creators’ Summit – supported by Social Match & VideoDays FestivalDMEXCO Creativity Summit – curated by DDA and empowered by KantarDMEXCO AdTech Summit DMEXCO MarTech Summit – system intelligence for modern marketingDMEXCO Retail Media Summit powered by BVDWCorporate Influencer Summit - co-curated by The People Branding CompanyNXTGEN Agency Summit – empowered by awork, Weischer.JvB, Brainsuite Come and visit our DMEXCO WorldsWorld of Tech (Hall 6)World of E-Commerce (Hall 7)World of Media (Hall 8)World of Agencies (Hall 8)Start-up Area: StartupValley “Start-up of the Year” Award + brand-new Innovation Stage (Hall 7) More new and beloved Formats:CMO Lounge: VIP Masterclass Leadership Lab, pop-up photo studio with Raimar von Wienskowski, and a live ice roll experience.Commerce Lounge: Networking sessions like the E-Com Meet-up with Laura Kremer, and the Female Leaders in Commerce Breakfast. And don’t miss the E-Com Night celebration.Mobile.de bumper carsTuesday Pre-Show events: Online Ad Summit, OVK Executive Dinner, AMPLIFY Audio Café, MMA Premexco Connect, DMEXCO Eve by DoubleVerify, Limelight’s Adtech Kick-Off Drinks, Global Media Leaders Dinner by Framen, DMEXCO Drinks from Via Nederland and more.Booth parties in Halls 6, 7 and 8 on Day 1 on WednesdayWednesday night Side Events: Ströer OM Club, Brands & Bubbles, Videoweek Cologne or and the Uncoded Dinner.30 years of BVDW celebrationDMEXCO Guided Tours powered by BVDWTwo packed days of innovation, networking, bold impulses, and memorable nights in Cologne await you at DMEXCO 2025. Be Bold. Move Forward.

Aug 26, 2025 • 39min
Marigold’s Roger Williams on the Biggest Marketing Trap & Loyalty’s Golden Moment
[Sponsored Episode] Verena Gründel speaks with Roger Williams, Head of the Loyalty Center of Excellence at Marigold, about the power and pitfalls of loyalty programs. Roger shares how brands harm themselves with excessive discounts, how to create golden moments that drive profit, and why onboarding is the most overlooked step in loyalty strategy. He also reveals the three key pillars of successful loyalty programs - and why redemption matters more than earning.Roger Williams started his career at Air Jamaica and built up a first loyalty program with no budget. What began as a challenge turned into a passionToday, he advises major brands on loyalty strategy and builds award-winning programs at Marigold.Roger is convinced: Discounts are a short-term solution with long-term consequences that even can destroy brands. Roger warns that overuse has created a "viral state of over-dependence," damaging not just profit margins but also brand equity - and it even enhances inflation.The alternative? Loyalty done right. Roger defines three critical elements of a successful loyalty program:1. A clear value proposition2. Simple rules for accrual and redemption3. A robust onboarding strategy, including 21 interactions in the first 60 days. Also in this episode: Verena Gründel asks Roger:What makes a good onboarding journey?What are the biggest mistakes of loyalty programs?What makes a loyalty program truly profitable?What is the role of gamification in modern loyalty programs?Why does redemption matter more than point accumulation?Which KPIs are best to measure loyalty success?If you want to build real customer loyalty, this episode is your blueprint. From onboarding frameworks like to advanced segmentation, Roger shares strategies that make loyalty measurable, profitable, and fun.Tune in now – and don’t forget to meet Roger in person at DMEXCO on September 17–18, 2025 in Cologne. Don’t miss his masterclass:https://community.dmexco.com/event/dmexco-2025/planning/UGxhbm5pbmdfMjc1MDY1MA==See you there!

Aug 12, 2025 • 34min
Daniela Nyarko from Canva on kind leadership for bold innovation
How do you lead with kindness—and still drive bold innovation? In this episode of the DMEXCO podcast, Verena Gründel sits down with Daniela Nyarko, Head of Strategic Sales EMEA at Canva, to explore how the world’s most valuable female-led startups is transforming visual communications.The conversation dives deep into the power of visual communication and why design has become the universal language of work. Daniela explains how design can help enterprises to communicate more clearly and drive decisions. She also introduces Canva Sheets, the company’s new step into productivity, combining data, visuals, and collaboration on a single page.Beyond business, Daniela opens up about her volunteering experience with a foundation, supporting survivors of human trafficking - and how it shaped her leadership philosophy around empathy, empowerment, and kindness.This episode is packed with insights on how creativity and compassion can co-exist in business, and why the future of work is not just digital or visual, but also deeply human.5 Fun Facts from the conversation:Every second, 420 designs are created on Canva.The human brain processes visuals 60,000 times faster than text, making design a key accelerator in decision-making.Visual content is 40 times more likely to be shared and remembered than non-visual content.Daniela co-leads the Women's Collective at Canva Europe, fostering a culture of empowerment and skill-building for women across newly acquired teams.Daniela believes design shouldn’t just inform - it should inspire and influence, helping decision-makers act faster and collaborate better.Daniela’s book tip “Atomic habits” by James Clear: https://jamesclear.com/atomic-habitsVerena’s book tip “Radikale Freundlichkeit” von Nora Blum: https://www.norablum.com/+++The DMEXCO agenda is now live.Head over to dmexco.com or check out the DMEXCO app to start browsing the full program.Have fun exploring - and let the countdown begin!

Jul 29, 2025 • 37min
Sebastian Matthes vom Handelsblatt: So schaffen wir den wirtschaftlichen Aufschwung
Mit KI erleben wir ”eine Revolution, die größer ist als die Erfindung des Internets”, sagt Handelsblatt-Chefredakteur Sebastian Matthes im Podcast-Interview mit Verena Gründel. “Wir fokussieren uns aber im Moment bei KI sehr auf die Anwendung, die wir im Alltag nutzen können”, bemerkt er. Dabei werde im Moment die nächste Welle der KI angestoßen: die Automatisierung von Geschäftsprozessen oder von Produktionsanlagen. Also im weiteren Sinne - die industrielle KI. “Und wo in aller Welt soll die beste industrielle KI entstehen, wenn nicht in Europa, wo die meisten und die erfolgreichsten Industriebetriebe sind?”Wie wir die Weichen dafür schaffen, dazu hat er klare Vorstellungen. Ein wichtiger Baustein sei es, aus Lehre, Forschung und Entwicklung vermehrt skalierfähige Geschäftsmodelle zu entwickeln. Seine drei Erfolgsstrategien:Wir müssen verstehen, in welchen Feldern wir als Land in den nächsten zehn Jahren eine Rolle spielen wollen. Für diese Industrien müssten die besten Rahmenbedingungen geschaffen werden.Wir müssen die momentan große Chance nutzen, Wissenschaftlerinnen und Wissenschaftler aus den USA anzuziehen, mit entsprechenden Programmen oder hochdotierten Professorenstellen.Wir müssen verstehen, dass die Zukunft Deutschlands nur Europa lauten kann und wir alles dafür tun müssen, dass dieser Binnenmarkt endlich vollendet wird.5 Fun Facts aus dem Gespräch:Ein “Blatt ohne Blätter: 85 Prozent der Handelsblatt-Abos sind bereits digital.In wenigen Jahren könnte schon ein Drittel des deutschen Risikokapitals in das erfolgreiche Münchener UnternehmerTUM-Cluster fließen, prognostiziert er und fragt sich, warum nicht alle anderen Exzellenz-Universitätsstandorte dieses System einfach kopieren.Um Geld für Start-ups macht er sich keine Sorgen: „Wir haben ein Mindset-Problem – kein Geldproblem.“ Denn in Deutschland liege viel Kapital brach. Es fehlt vor allem an Strukturen und dem unternehmerischen Selbstverständnis, um das Geld in das Wachstum der Wirtschaft zu investieren.Matthes sieht enorm viel Wachstumspotenzial für Deutschland in der Biotech- und Medizin-Branche. “In den nächsten zehn Jahren könnte sie die Autoindustrie an Relevanz, was Wertschöpfung angeht, übertrumpfen.”Matthes prognostiziert 1 bis 2 Prozent Wachstum für Deutschland in zwei Jahren – aber nur, wenn jetzt die passenden Reformen von der Politik umgesetzt werden.Hör jetzt rein und lass dich inspirieren.Und komm am 17. und 18. September 2025 zur DMEXCO nach Köln - sichere dir hier dein Ticket: https://dmexco.com/de/tickets/

Jul 15, 2025 • 31min
Microsoft’s Chief Scientist Jaime Teevan on the Human Side of AI
In this episode, Verena Gründel speaks with Jaime Teevan, Chief Scientist and Technical Fellow at Microsoft. Jaime is shaping the future of work through AI, developing features like Copilot, and has served as technical advisor to Satya Nadella. She shares her first encounter with GPT-4 (spoiler: it made her pull over and scream), talks about how AI is transforming productivity, what skills the next generation should learn, and why business leaders value AI expertise more than experience. A deep dive into the human side of tech innovation.+++ The DMEXCO ticket shop is now open! Go to https://dmexco.com/tickets/ and get your ticket for DMEXCO on September 17 and 18. +++

Jul 1, 2025 • 32min
Reddit’s CMO Roxy Young on Brand Karma and the Future of Communities
Verena Gründel welcomes Roxy Young, CMO of Reddit, at the Cannes Lions festival for a Live DEXCO Podcast. Over breakfast, they discuss the power of communities in modern marketing. Roxy explains how brands should approach Reddit without disrupting authentic conversations, why community insights matter more than polished ads, and how tools like Reddit Answers can guide marketers. Plus: hear the story behind Skoda’s viral Reddit Edition car and why Reddit’s user growth is accelerating in Germany.+++ The DMEXCO ticket shop is now open! Go to https://dmexco.com/tickets/ and get your ticket for DMEXCO on September 17 and 18. +++

May 13, 2025 • 37min
DAvide Colla on his fight with AI, ugly design, and bold luxury brands
“A client chose a logo created by their secretary with AI over ours.” What sounds like a nightmare for designers became DAvide Colla’s wake-up call. In our latest DMEXCO podcast episode, the founder of Milan-based agency 150 up talks to Verena Gründel about how AI is changing the rules of design, why luxury brands fear looking "cheap" with AI content and what he teaches his students in a world where tools can do almost everything. From client rejection in favor of AI to using trained models for luxury campaigns - this episode dives into the real impact of AI on design and branding.The DMEXCO ticket shop is now open! Get your ticket for DMEXCO on September 17 and 18.But don’t wait too long - save €180 now: Early birds can grab a limited number of tickets for just €99 instead of €279.Get yours now at https://dmexco.com/tickets/

May 6, 2025 • 33min
What's next, Agencies? Kai Ebert, Director Growth der SYZYGY GROUP, zum Thema Growths Tactics
„Viele Agenturen
schaffen es, ihre Kunden zu vermarkten – aber nicht sich selbst.“Wachstum gehört zum
Anspruch fast jeder Agentur. Doch während Kunden in Attributionsmodellen,
Lead-Funnels und Thought Leadership denken, operieren viele Agenturen im
Eigenmarketing erstaunlich diffus. Woran liegt das?Kai Ebert, Director
Growth der SYZYGY GROUP, sieht darin keine Frage mangelnder Kreativität -
sondern ein strukturelles Manko. Wachstum ist in vielen Agenturen kein Prozess,
sondern ein Zufallsprodukt. Verantwortlichkeiten sind unklar, Ressourcen knapp,
Inhalte werden punktuell produziert - nicht systematisch orchestriert.In der neuen
Podcastfolge von #WhatsNextAgencies mit Kim Alexandra Notz erklärt Kai, wie
sich das ändern lässt: Mit glaubwürdiger PR in den Medien der Zielbranchen –
nicht in der eigenen Bubble. Mit Whitepapern, die komplexe Themen aus
Kundensicht erklären, statt nur Leads abzugreifen. Und mit einem
Sales-Verständnis, das Beratung ernst nimmt – und nicht nach der ersten Slide
abschaltet.Doch das Gespräch bleibt
nicht bei den Toolkits stehen. Es geht auch um die Grenzen: Viele Agenturen
imitieren die Modelle von Tech-Unternehmen, verfügen aber nicht über deren
Ressourcen, Prozesse oder Entwicklungszyklen. Die Folge: ein falsches
Produktdenken, das an der Dienstleistungsrealität scheitert. Wachstum braucht
tragfähige Strukturen – aber auch Führung, Mut zur Klarheit und die
Bereitschaft, Inhalte zur Chefsache zu machen.
Eine Folge über
diszipliniertes Wachstum, strukturelle Schwächen in kreativen Organisationen –
und darüber, warum Sichtbarkeit ohne Substanz oft genau das bleibt: sichtbar,
aber wirkungslos.

Apr 29, 2025 • 47min
CMO Christoph Weber über die Macht von Differenzierung und Creatives
“Es gibt nichts Teureres, als langweilig zu sein”, sagt Christoph Weber, der zuletzt das Marketing der Bitburger-Gruppe geleitet hat. Im Gespräch mit Verena Gründel erklärt er, wie man das Einzigartige einer Marke herauskitzelt, sie unverwechselbar positioniert und damit die Umsätze, aber auch die Markenwahrnehmung messbar ankurbelt. An vielen Beispiel zeigt er die Bedeutung kreativer Werbung und die Chancen einer einzigartigen Marken-DNA auf. Warum langweilige Kampagnen die teuersten sind und wieso man dafür auch mal das Risiko eines Shitstorms eingehen muss, erfährst du ebenfalls in dieser Folge. Und vergiss nicht: Am 17. und 18. September 2025 findet die DMEXCO in Köln statt. Halte dich bis dahin mit Verenas Newsletter DMEXCO Digital Digest auf dem Laufenden - die wichtigsten News aus der Welt des digitalen Marketings in Deutschland und international direkt in dein Postfach:https://go.dmexco.com/digital-digest-current-edition