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In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Michael Cohen discuss:Strategies for building and maintaining a successful law practiceThe role of leadership and personal branding in legal careersOvercoming challenges and finding fulfillment in the legal professionThe importance of authenticity, advocacy, and adaptability in professional growth Key Takeaways:When hiring, be financially prepared, follow a "slow to hire, quick to fire" approach, and seek candidates whose goals align with long-term retention.Building a career aligned with passion may require sacrifices, such as taking non-traditional opportunities and traveling extensively to develop expertise and a brand.Law firms can foster equity by diversifying associates’ work assignments through structured work tracking systems to prevent pigeonholing.Writing about niche cases or personal interests in law not only builds expertise but also enhances your visibility and credibility as a thought leader. "Each and every one of us is dealing with stuff that nobody else knows about… if we can just understand that fundamental truth and be kind along the way, this whole thing gets an awful lot easier to deal with." —  Michael Cohen Got a challenge growing your law practice? Email me at steve@fretzin.com with your toughest question, and I'll answer it live on the show—anonymously, just using your first name! Thank you to our Sponsors!Rankings.io: https://rankings.io/Rainmakers Roundtable: https://www.fretzin.com/lawyer-coaching-and-training/peer-advisory-groups/ Episode References: Let Them Lead: Unexpected Lessons in Leadership from America's Worst High School Hockey Team by John Bacon: https://www.amazon.com/Let-Them-Lead-Unexpected-Leadership/dp/0358533260 About Michael Cohen: Michael Cohen is a Partner in Duane Morris’ Employment, Labor, Immigration, and Benefits Practice Group, focusing on employment law training and counseling in Philadelphia, where he conducts over 200 trainings annually. Inspired by his mother, who fought and won a landmark Supreme Court case for working women after being fired for her pregnancy with Michael, he has a passion for education and challenges. Michael is also a devoted husband, father, travel softball coach, and avid supporter of Philadelphia and University of Michigan sports. Connect with Michael Cohen:  Website: http://www.duanemorris.com/attorneys/michaelscohenEmail: mcohen@duanemorris.comLinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/michaelscohen12 Connect with Steve Fretzin:LinkedIn: Steve FretzinTwitter: @stevefretzinInstagram: @fretzinsteveFacebook: Fretzin, Inc.Website: Fretzin.comEmail: Steve@Fretzin.comBook: Legal Business Development Isn't Rocket Science and more!YouTube: Steve FretzinCall Steve directly at 847-602-6911  Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it. 

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Erika Steinberg discuss:The value of having a focused marketing plan for lawyers and firmsStrategies for retaining and growing client relationshipsBuilding a personal brand using LinkedInBenefits of fractional marketing for law firms Key Takeaways:A written marketing plan provides focus, direction, and measurable goals, allowing lawyers and firms to avoid chasing "shiny objects" and instead focus on impactful projects.Lawyers often neglect past and existing clients as a source of business due to discomfort, yet these relationships often present the easiest opportunities for growth.Marketing activities should align with an individual's comfort level and schedule—focusing on actions they will actually execute.Firms undergoing mergers or lateral hires risk losing opportunities if they do not clearly communicate how the changes benefit clients and integrate new team members effectively. "The marketing activities that are best are the ones that you’re going to do, the ones that fit your comfort level and your schedule." —  Erika Steinberg Got a challenge growing your law practice? Email me at steve@fretzin.com with your toughest question, and I'll answer it live on the show—anonymously, just using your first name! Thank you to our Sponsors!Rankings.io: https://rankings.io/Rainmakers Roundtable: https://www.fretzin.com/lawyer-coaching-and-training/peer-advisory-groups/ Episode References: Differently Podcast by Carla Reeves: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/differently/id1546761001 About Erika Steinberg: Erika Steinberg, founder of CMO2Go, has been working with law firms to maximize their marketing for more than 30 years. CMO2Go provides senior-level fractional marketing support to midsize law firms around the United States, supporting firms as they tackle their urgent and important marketing needs. Connect with Erika Steinberg:  Website: https://www.cmo2go.co/Email: erika@cmo2go.coLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/erikasteinberg/ & https://www.linkedin.com/company/cmo2go-inc Connect with Steve Fretzin:LinkedIn: Steve FretzinTwitter: @stevefretzinInstagram: @fretzinsteveFacebook: Fretzin, Inc.Website: Fretzin.comEmail: Steve@Fretzin.comBook: Legal Business Development Isn't Rocket Science and more!YouTube: Steve FretzinCall Steve directly at 847-602-6911  Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it. 

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Sarah Allen discuss:The importance of consistency and discipline in achieving business successLeveraging video marketing to build credibility and save timeUnderstanding and overcoming common barriers to adopting video marketingThe value of clarity and focus in business strategy and client engagement Key Takeaways:Starting with short videos that address frequently asked questions allows lawyers to engage clients effectively while also reducing the time spent repeatedly explaining the same concepts.Tailoring video content to a specific audience builds trust, credibility, and professional authority, making it more effective than chasing viral success or trying to appeal to a broad, unfocused audience.Creating high-quality videos does not require expensive equipment, as a simple setup with a smartphone, webcam, and external microphone can produce professional and engaging results.Videos that focus on providing solutions to client problems or answering their common questions not only save time but also help establish the creator as a knowledgeable and trustworthy expert in their field. "The biggest benefit of video for attorneys is you get your time back... it's literally duplicating yourself." —  Sarah Allen Got a challenge growing your law practice? Email me at steve@fretzin.com with your toughest question, and I'll answer it live on the show—anonymously, just using your first name! Thank you to our Sponsors!Rankings.io: https://rankings.io/Rainmakers Roundtable: https://www.fretzin.com/lawyer-coaching-and-training/peer-advisory-groups/ Episode References: The No B.S. Small Business Book by Casey Graham: https://www.amazon.com/No-B-S-Small-Business-Book-ebook/dp/B09N9TZTW3 About Sarah Allen: Sarah Allen’s career bridges the worlds of big business and entrepreneurship, with leadership roles managing $100M+ divisions at Old Navy, Banana Republic, and eBay. Her time at eBay sparked a passion for empowering entrepreneurs, leading her to channel her corporate marketing expertise into helping small businesses succeed. Through her signature 5-step video marketing framework, Sarah has driven over $1M in revenue for her clients by helping them attract and convert new customers with ease. Connect with Sarah Allen:  Website: http://www.sarahallenconsulting.com/Email: sarah@sarahallenconsulting.comLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sarah-ann-allen Connect with Steve Fretzin:LinkedIn: Steve FretzinTwitter: @stevefretzinInstagram: @fretzinsteveFacebook: Fretzin, Inc.Website: Fretzin.comEmail: Steve@Fretzin.comBook: Legal Business Development Isn't Rocket Science and more!YouTube: Steve FretzinCall Steve directly at 847-602-6911  Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it. 

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Tim Semelroth discuss:Scaling a law firm effectively while maintaining quality and cultureThe importance of consistent client engagement to foster trust and loyaltyLeveraging specialization to establish authority and attract niche casesUsing systems and processes to improve law firm management and branding Key Takeaways:Building and maintaining a professional network early in one's career avoids missed opportunities for referrals and growth.Specializing in a niche like truck accident cases and gaining certifications boosts credibility and competitive edge.Consistent outreach, like birthday cards, newsletters, and holiday greetings, keeps clients and referral sources engaged.Incentivizing handwritten thank-you notes fosters appreciation, strengthening relationships and driving loyalty and referrals. "The reality is that most people are getting fewer than five birthday cards now, and so if you can be one of those people, they're never going to forget you, no matter how big the billboard is that the 800-pound gorilla buys." —  Tim Semelroth Got a challenge growing your law practice? Email me at steve@fretzin.com with your toughest question, and I'll answer it live on the show—anonymously, just using your first name! Thank you to our Sponsors!Rankings.io: https://rankings.io/Rainmakers Roundtable: https://www.fretzin.com/lawyer-coaching-and-training/peer-advisory-groups/ Episode References: The Checklist Manifesto by Atul Gawande: https://www.amazon.com/Checklist-Manifesto-How-Things-Right/dp/0312430000 About Tim Semelroth: Tim Semelroth, a personal injury attorney with 25+ years of experience, has helped hundreds of Iowans affected by injury or death due to negligence. He is Iowa's first board-certified trucking accident attorney by the NBTA and among the first 50 in the U.S. to earn this title. A former president of the Iowa chapter of the American Board of Trial Advocates and the Iowa Association for Justice, Tim also serves on the Iowa State Committee of the American College of Trial Lawyers. He is a faculty at the Trial Lawyers College and a Board of Regents member for the Academy of Truck Accident Attorneys. Connect with Tim Semelroth:  Website: https://fightingforfairness.com/Email: tsemelroth@fightingforfairness.comLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/timsemelroth/ & https://www.linkedin.com/company/rsh-legal/Twitter: https://x.com/rshlegalFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/RSHLegalInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/rshlegal/ Connect with Steve Fretzin:LinkedIn: Steve FretzinTwitter: @stevefretzinInstagram: @fretzinsteveFacebook: Fretzin, Inc.Website: Fretzin.comEmail: Steve@Fretzin.comBook: Legal Business Development Isn't Rocket Science and more!YouTube: Steve FretzinCall Steve directly at 847-602-6911  Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it. 

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Justin Weinstein discuss:Importance of cultivating strong client relationships in the legal fieldEffective strategies for scaling and growing a law practiceCreating a positive and sustainable workplace cultureProactive client engagement and community involvement in legal services Key Takeaways:Assigning a designated client relationship manager ensures continued connection and personalized care for clients even years after a case is resolved.Proactively educating and engaging with the community helps individuals prepare for potential legal situations, rather than reacting to crises.Treating the workplace as a second home and focusing on employees’ personal and professional growth reduces turnover and fosters long-term commitment.Maintaining a strong cash flow and hiring with a focus on ROI, alongside leveraging relationships, are critical to doubling or expanding the size of a law firm. "Failures are learning opportunities, and really, there is no such thing as failure if you view it that way. You’re still here, still alive, and still able to make better and better decisions while improving. That’s what truly successful people do." —  Justin Weinstein Got a challenge growing your law practice? Email me at steve@fretzin.com with your toughest question, and I'll answer it live on the show—anonymously, just using your first name! Thank you to our Sponsors!Rankings.io: https://rankings.io/Rainmakers Roundtable: https://www.fretzin.com/lawyer-coaching-and-training/peer-advisory-groups/ Episode References: Never Eat Alone by Keith Ferrazzi and Tahl Raz: https://www.amazon.com/Never-Eat-Alone-Expanded-Updated/dp/0385346654 About Justin Weinstein: Justin Weinstein, Founding Partner of the Weinstein Legal Team, earned his Juris Doctor from Nova Southeastern University, joined the Florida Bar in 2012, and since establishing his Fort Lauderdale practice in 2016, has expanded to West Palm Beach, Orlando, and Naples, representing medical professionals treating car accident victims while fostering connections across South Florida and the Treasure Coast, with a focus on personal injury litigation, community involvement, client relationships, and accessible advocacy. Connect with Justin Weinstein:  Website: https://www.thelawofwe.com/Email: justin@weinstein-legal.comLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/justinpweinstein/ & https://www.linkedin.com/company/weinsteinlegalteam/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jpweinstein & https://www.instagram.com/weinsteinlegalteam/ Connect with Steve Fretzin:LinkedIn: Steve FretzinTwitter: @stevefretzinInstagram: @fretzinsteveFacebook: Fretzin, Inc.Website: Fretzin.comEmail: Steve@Fretzin.comBook: Legal Business Development Isn't Rocket Science and more!YouTube: Steve FretzinCall Steve directly at 847-602-6911  Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it. 

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Julia Taylor discuss:Delegation and outsourcing as growth strategies for small law firmsChallenges in accessing experienced legal talent and solutions through outsourcingUsing technology and automation to streamline law firm operationsAddressing financial and trust concerns in outsourcing decisions Key Takeaways:Outsourcing tasks like paralegal work or back-office functions can significantly reduce overhead and provide flexibility, as firms pay only for billable hours without the burden of full-time employee costs.Many solo and small firm owners struggle to find experienced talent locally, making nationwide outsourcing a critical solution to access skilled professionals.Utilizing case management software like Clio or MyCase improves efficiency and allows virtual teams to collaborate effectively; exploring tools like Ghostwriter Legal for AI-driven drafting can further enhance productivity.Onboarding outsourced staff effectively includes creating detailed checklists, setting clear expectations, and gradually increasing responsibilities to build trust and ensure smooth integration. "Trust but verify. Work through for a week or two with a high level of supervision, see how that goes, and then slowly start to wean away." —  Julia Taylor Got a challenge growing your law practice? Email me at steve@fretzin.com with your toughest question, and I'll answer it live on the show—anonymously, just using your first name! Thank you to our Sponsors!Rankings.io: https://rankings.io/Rainmakers Roundtable: https://www.fretzin.com/lawyer-coaching-and-training/peer-advisory-groups/ Episode References: CEO School Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ceo-school/id1525261018 About Julia Taylor: Julia Taylor is the owner of LevLegal, LLC, a virtual paralegal and law firm consulting business. She and her team provide services like virtual paralegals, firm administration, operations consulting, and staff training, helping attorneys streamline processes, reduce overhead, and focus on practicing law. LevLegal supports law firms nationwide in various practice areas. Connect with Julia Taylor:  Website: https://www.lev-legal.com/Email: jat@lev-legal.comLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/julia-taylor-46355241 Connect with Steve Fretzin:LinkedIn: Steve FretzinTwitter: @stevefretzinInstagram: @fretzinsteveFacebook: Fretzin, Inc.Website: Fretzin.comEmail: Steve@Fretzin.comBook: Legal Business Development Isn't Rocket Science and more!YouTube: Steve FretzinCall Steve directly at 847-602-6911  Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it. 

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Scott Monroe discuss:Balancing quality and quantity in legal practiceChallenges and strategies in building and managing a successful law firmThe role of technology, automation, and staff training in enhancing legal efficiencyInnovative approaches to legal marketing and networking Key Takeaways:Transitioning from a solo practitioner to building a team ensures higher quality service and enables sustainable work-life balance.Investing in technology, such as case management software, significantly increases operational efficiency and reduces burnout.For criminal defense, effective online marketing strategies like Google ads, SEO, and customer reviews are crucial for visibility and client acquisition.Building a "work family" through proper hiring, training, and fostering a collaborative environment leads to high employee retention and better client outcomes. "You're not going to have a clue who I am unless I invest the time and the energy into putting that stuff out there and giving my clients an opportunity to let people know how good I, my team, my associates, and our services are." —  Scott Monroe Got a challenge growing your law practice? Email me at steve@fretzin.com with your toughest question, and I'll answer it live on the show—anonymously, just using your first name! Thank you to our Sponsors!Rankings.io: https://rankings.io/Rainmakers Roundtable: https://www.fretzin.com/lawyer-coaching-and-training/peer-advisory-groups/ About Scott Monroe: At Monroe Law, PA, justice matters. Jacksonville criminal defense attorney Scott Monroe, the firm’s founder and president, has dedicated his career to providing exceptional service. As a former prosecutor, he has intimate knowledge of state prosecutions. Scott started his firm to focus on quality over quantity, taking the time to understand each case and help clients. An award-winning attorney, he has received the Elite Advocate Award for six years and led Monroe Law Firm to accolades like Top 10 Best Criminal Defense Law Firms in Florida and Law Firm of the Year in 2023. Previously, he founded Monroe & King, P.A. (now First Coast Criminal Defense), earning multiple awards before departing in 2023 to establish Monroe Law Firm. For clarity, Scott is no longer affiliated with Monroe & King (First Coast Criminal Defense). Connect with Scott Monroe:  Website: https://www.monroelaw.com/Email: dscott@monroelaw.comLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/scott-monroe-18157753/ Connect with Steve Fretzin:LinkedIn: Steve FretzinTwitter: @stevefretzinInstagram: @fretzinsteveFacebook: Fretzin, Inc.Website: Fretzin.comEmail: Steve@Fretzin.comBook: Legal Business Development Isn't Rocket Science and more!YouTube: Steve FretzinCall Steve directly at 847-602-6911  Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it. 

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Simon McCrum discuss:Effective business development in law firmsEnhancing client loyalty through serviceStanding out with unique differentiatorsBuilding trust and collaboration internally Key Takeaways:Authenticity and trust, rather than sheer volume of connections, are the cornerstone of effective business development, as demonstrated by prioritizing fewer, deeper introducer relationships.A well-defined "service promise," crowd-designed and rigorously delivered, creates a memorable client experience that sets a firm apart from its competitors.Revisiting underutilized existing client relationships can unlock significant growth by exploring untapped legal service opportunities and addressing overlooked needs.Implementing transparent client feedback systems, like real-time service ratings published publicly, builds credibility, accountability, and fosters long-term client trust and satisfaction. "Business development isn’t goodwill development; it has to be about money and profit." —  Simon McCrum Got a challenge growing your law practice? Email me at steve@fretzin.com with your toughest question, and I'll answer it live on the show—anonymously, just using your first name! Thank you to our Sponsors!Rankings.io: https://rankings.io/Rainmakers Roundtable: https://www.fretzin.com/lawyer-coaching-and-training/peer-advisory-groups/ About Simon McCrum: Simon McCrum, a Management Consultant, helps law firms strengthen and grow their businesses. A solicitor and former Equity Partner and Managing Partner, he has decades of leadership in law firms and legal teams. Qualifying as a lawyer in 1990, Simon moved from fee-earner to roles like Marketing Partner, Director of Business Development, and part of the Management Team at a £50m turnover UK law firm. In 2007, as Managing Partner of a Top 200 UK law firm with a £6m turnover, he led the firm from a trading loss during the Credit Crunch to its most successful year in 2010, becoming the UK’s fastest-growing law firm. After the firm’s 2016 acquisition, Simon launched McCrum Consulting to boost law firm performance and growth. He developed "The Perfect Legal Business" model, which inspired his bestselling book, The Perfect Legal Business, followed by The Perfect Lawyer. His upcoming book, The Perfect Partner, completes the trilogy. Connect with Simon McCrum:  Website: https://www.mccrum.legal/Email: simon@mccrumandco.comLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/simonmccrum/ Connect with Steve Fretzin:LinkedIn: Steve FretzinTwitter: @stevefretzinInstagram: @fretzinsteveFacebook: Fretzin, Inc.Website: Fretzin.comEmail: Steve@Fretzin.comBook: Legal Business Development Isn't Rocket Science and more!YouTube: Steve FretzinCall Steve directly at 847-602-6911  Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it. 

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Heather Moulder discuss:Aligning legal careers with personal values and intentionalityLeveraging storytelling for branding and client relationshipsBalancing life, career, and embracing transformative changeAttracting ideal clients for a sustainable practice Key Takeaways:Lawyers can attract ideal clients by sharing stories that highlight their values, approach, and style, rather than focusing solely on credentials.Life challenges, like a cancer diagnosis, can spark a re-evaluation of priorities and lead to career shifts aligned with personal fulfillment.Effective storytelling involves brainstorming past experiences, organizing them into themes, and focusing on lessons or client wins while maintaining confidentiality.Strong branding stories cast the client as the hero and the lawyer as a guide, creating relatable and impactful narratives. "The brilliance of storytelling.... is it attracts better clients. And by better, I don’t mean others are bad...just not a good fit for you from a values or personality perspective." —  Heather Moulder Got a challenge growing your law practice? Email me at steve@fretzin.com with your toughest question, and I'll answer it live on the show—anonymously, just using your first name! Thank you to our Sponsors!Rankings.io: https://rankings.io/Rainmakers Roundtable: https://www.fretzin.com/lawyer-coaching-and-training/peer-advisory-groups/ Episode References: Building a StoryBrand by Donald Miller: https://www.amazon.com/Building-StoryBrand-Clarify-Message-Customers/dp/0718033329 About Heather Moulder: Heather Moulder, former Big Law partner, lawyer business coach, and host of the Life & Law Podcast, left a multi-million-dollar book of business after 18 years in private practice and a breast cancer battle to help lawyers build their ideal law practice around the life they want to live.Using a tailored framework aligned with each client's strengths, values, and needs, Heather helps attorneys build seven-figure practices without sacrificing themselves. Her clients rave about how this approach 10x’s performance and reenergizes them professionally.When not helping clients achieve more with less, Heather is cooking gluten-free meals or cheering on her baseball-obsessed teenager in the Texas heat. Connect with Heather Moulder:  Website: https://www.coursecorrectioncoaching.com/Email: heather@heathermoulder.comLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/heathermoulder/ Connect with Steve Fretzin:LinkedIn: Steve FretzinTwitter: @stevefretzinInstagram: @fretzinsteveFacebook: Fretzin, Inc.Website: Fretzin.comEmail: Steve@Fretzin.comBook: Legal Business Development Isn't Rocket Science and more!YouTube: Steve FretzinCall Steve directly at 847-602-6911  Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it. 

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Julia Hensel discuss:The critical role of SEO in driving law firm growthAdapting to Google’s shifting algorithms for visibilityMobile optimization as a key factor for conversionsLeveraging local search strategies for competitive legal markets Key Takeaways:Law firms with strong reputations and histories are ideal candidates for SEO, but smaller-budget firms in large geographies should explore alternative marketing strategies.Google's recent algorithm updates focus on "helpful content" written for people rather than content optimized purely for search, impacting firms using mass-generated or AI-driven content strategies.Many legal websites fail to optimize for mobile, with critical features like inquiry forms often buried at the bottom of pages, significantly reducing conversions.Local Service Ads (LSAs) operate on a pay-per-lead model and require proper tracking and optimization to ensure ROI, particularly in competitive markets. "Google looks for expertise, experience, authoritativeness, and trust. If you are a firm with strong results, with many different cases you can speak to on your site, you’re able to prove a lot of those elements, and SEO will be a really strong fit for you." —  Julia Hensel Got a challenge growing your law practice? Email me at steve@fretzin.com with your toughest question, and I'll answer it live on the show—anonymously, just using your first name! Thank you to our Sponsors!Rankings.io: https://rankings.io/Rainmakers Roundtable: https://www.fretzin.com/lawyer-coaching-and-training/peer-advisory-groups/ Episode References: Made to Stick: Why Some Ideas Survive and Others Die by Chip Heath and Dan Heath: https://www.amazon.com/Made-Stick-Ideas-Survive-Others/dp/1400064287 About Julia Hensel: Julia Hensel is the CEO of Lexigate, an SEO agency that services law firms. In her role at Lexigate, Julia oversees the agency’s work across website development, content creation, on-page optimization, link building, local strategies, and more. Lexigate focuses on driving measurable growth in signed cases and guarantees an increase in the first year of working together—or will work for free until targeted results are achieved. Connect with Julia Hensel:  Website: https://lexigate.com/Email: julia.hensel@lexigate.comLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/juliawittrockhensel/ & https://linkedin.com/company/lexigateFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/lexigateagencyInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/lexigate_com/ Connect with Steve Fretzin:LinkedIn: Steve FretzinTwitter: @stevefretzinInstagram: @fretzinsteveFacebook: Fretzin, Inc.Website: Fretzin.comEmail: Steve@Fretzin.comBook: Legal Business Development Isn't Rocket Science and more!YouTube: Steve FretzinCall Steve directly at 847-602-6911  Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it.