
The Measure Pod
The Measure Pod is your go-to fortnightly podcast hosted by seasoned analytics pros. Join Dara Fitzgerald (Co-Founder at Measurelab) & Matthew Hooson (Head of Engineering at Measurelab) as they dive into the world of data, analytics and measurement—with a side of fun.
Latest episodes

Feb 2, 2024 • 48min
#96 The Psychology of Data (with Tim Ceuppens @ Pit&Pit)
Full show notes, transcript and AI chatbot - https://shorturl.at/hpHRW
You can now watch this episode as a vodcast over on YouTube - https://youtu.be/vDvvtv4WqNM
00:02:02 - Introducing special guest Tim Ceuppens
00:04:02 - Tim's backstory and career journey
00:08:00 - The problem with data meetings
00:09:08 - Applying psychology of data in practice
00:10:13 - The challenge with agency reporting
00:12:09 - The role of curiosity in data and marketing
00:13:19 - The use of anchoring in data presentation
00:15:06 - The framework for measuring campaigns
00:19:24 - The use of anchoring before presenting data
00:21:17 - The myth of data as the sole success factor
00:24:15 - Rapid Fire Questions
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Episode Summary:
In this week's episode of The Measure Pod we spoke with Tim Ceuppens, a creative thinker in the field of data and marketing. Tim shared his journey from film school to becoming the Chief Marketing Officer for Belgium and Netherlands' largest health foods company, highlighting the importance of curiosity and storytelling in data analytics.
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Quotes of the Episode:
"...I'm done with not being informed, not understanding what you're trying to tell me, or being shown like cherry picked data where you did a good job, even though we're not seeing any returns, but there was a lot of engagement or vice versa. And I just started to think, okay, so what can I do?" - Tim
"...So Ted Lasso, you know that scene where he's playing darts and he's talking about how he got to where he got to and people always underestimated him. And it was that quote he saw by Walt Whitman on the wall that said, be curious, not judgmental." - Bhav
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About The Measure Pod:
The Measure Pod is a weekly podcast hosted by veteran practitioners of the marketing and product analytics industry. Join Dan and Dara from Measurelab, Bhav from CRAP Talks and the occasional guest on their quest to make sense of the analytics industry, and have some fun along the way.
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If you liked this episode, don't forget to subscribe to The Measure Pod on your favourite podcast platform and leave us a review. Let's make sense of the analytics industry together!
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Jan 31, 2024 • 4min
Sound Bite: How has the role of data changed over time?
Episode Summary:
In this weeks sound bite (from the archive) Dan & Dara spoke with Jim Sterne from Target Marketing. He specifically discusses the changes in online marketing and data since the 1990s.
Full episode here: https://shorturl.at/euwI1
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About The Measure Pod:
The Measure Pod is a weekly podcast hosted by veteran practitioners of the marketing and product analytics industry. Join Dan and Dara from Measurelab, Bhav from CRAP Talks and the occasional guest on their quest to make sense of the analytics industry, and have some fun along the way.
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If you liked this episode, don't forget to subscribe to The Measure Pod on your favourite podcast platform and leave us a review. Let's make sense of the analytics industry together!
The post Sound Bite: How has the role of data changed over time? appeared first on Measurelab.

Jan 19, 2024 • 44min
#95 Analytics on form (with Alun Lucas @ Zuko Analytics)
Full show notes, transcript and AI chatbot - https://shorturl.at/hqFZ0
You can now watch this episode as a vodcast over on YouTube - https://youtu.be/-7WYFOk3dvc
00:00:00 - Introduction to Alan Lucas and form analytics
00:03:11 - Alan Lucas's background and Zuko Analytics
00:06:28 - Comparing Zuko with GA4 capabilities
00:10:03 - The problem of form analytics longevity
00:13:09 - The continuous need for form optimisation
00:18:49 - The value of a friction score metric
00:26:08 - The impact of tracking limitations on form analytics
00:28:09 - Generative AI and it's potential impact
00:32:05 - The future of form analytics and automation
00:36:01 - The use of forms for qualitative data collection
00:37:47 - Rapid fire questions with Alan Lucas
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Episode Summary:
In this week's episode of The Measure Pod we spoke with Alun Lucas, the Managing Director at Zuko Analytics. We spoke specifically about webforms, and the optimisation tool Zuko has built to help businesses get a better understanding of when, where and why visitors abandon forms. We also discuss the potential impact of AI on forms, and the benefits of using a dedicated tool as opposed to GA4.
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Quotes of the Episode:
"...What we tend to look at is more a difference in behaviour between cohorts and the you know, the base cohort we look at is the cohort of people who are successfully completing a form and the cohort of people who abandon the form. And if you see a significant difference in behaviour between those two, and I mean statistically significant, then you've got an indicator there's a problem." - Alun
"...I think for me, it would be quite important to be able to view the sub metrics that are being used to make up that quasi-metric, because if you just get that frustration score and you don't know what's contributing to it, you could then make the wrong conclusion." - Dara
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About The Measure Pod:
The Measure Pod is a weekly podcast hosted by veteran practitioners of the marketing and product analytics industry. Join Dan and Dara from Measurelab, Bhav from CRAP Talks and the occasional guest on their quest to make sense of the analytics industry, and have some fun along the way.
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If you liked this episode, don't forget to subscribe to The Measure Pod on your favourite podcast platform and leave us a review. Let's make sense of the analytics industry together!
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Jan 17, 2024 • 4min
Sound Bite: How can we improve accessibility on the web?
Episode Summary:
In this weeks sound bite (from the archive) Dan & Dara spoke with Ellen Cole from Little Seed Group. Ellen shared insights on working with invisible differences and offers tips for businesses to enhance inclusivity in their social media and marketing efforts.
Full episode here: https://shorturl.at/tBGU6
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About The Measure Pod:
The Measure Pod is a weekly podcast hosted by veteran practitioners of the marketing and product analytics industry. Join Dan and Dara from Measurelab, Bhav from CRAP Talks and the occasional guest on their quest to make sense of the analytics industry, and have some fun along the way.
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If you liked this episode, don't forget to subscribe to The Measure Pod on your favourite podcast platform and leave us a review. Let's make sense of the analytics industry together!
The post Sound Bite: How can we improve accessibility on the web? appeared first on Measurelab.

Jan 12, 2024 • 56min
#94 Why don’t people understand tech SEO and analytics? (with Matt Jones @ Freelancing Friends)
In this engaging podcast, Matt Jones, a tech SEO freelancer, talks about his journey to freelancing and the importance of tech SEO and analytics. They discuss proving SEO value, keeping up with algorithm changes, and the future of search with Generative AI. The conversation provides insights into the challenges and opportunities in the SEO industry.

Jan 10, 2024 • 4min
Sound Bite: Costs and considerations when migrating to server-side GTM
Episode Summary:
In this weeks sound bite (from the archive) Dan & Dara spoke with our very own Matt Hooson, the Data Engineering Lead here at Measurelab. In this clip taken from episode 74 we discuss the update framework he's developed, and the costs and considerations when migrating to server-side GTM.
Full episode here: https://shorturl.at/wxBR7
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About The Measure Pod:
The Measure Pod is a weekly podcast hosted by veteran practitioners of the marketing and product analytics industry. Join Dan and Dara from Measurelab, Bhav from CRAP Talks and the occasional guest on their quest to make sense of the analytics industry, and have some fun along the way.
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If you liked this episode, don't forget to subscribe to The Measure Pod on your favourite podcast platform and leave us a review. Let's make sense of the analytics industry together!
The post Sound Bite: Costs and considerations when migrating to server-side GTM appeared first on Measurelab.

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Jan 5, 2024 • 48min
#93 GA4, the CDP of the future you didn’t know you had (With Rick Dronkers @ Data to Value)
Rick Dronkers, founder of Data to Value and a data and analytics expert, dives deep into the evolving role of Google Analytics 4 (GA4) and Customer Data Platforms (CDPs). He discusses the integration capabilities of GA4 and the concept of composable CDPs, which allow for enhanced customer insights. Rick also unpacks the implications of the sunset of Google Optimize, addressing the challenges companies face when implementing CDPs. Lastly, he emphasizes the importance of data activation in modern marketing strategies.

Jan 3, 2024 • 4min
Sound Bite: GA4 vs BigQuery data, what are the use cases?
Episode Summary:
In this weeks sound bite (from the archive) Dan & Dara spoke with Johan van de Werken from GA4BigQuery.com. In this clip taken from episode 72 we discuss the use cases for using the GA4 interface over BigQuery data, and some thoughts around where that's going in the future.
Full episode here: https://shorturl.at/fANO9
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About The Measure Pod:
The Measure Pod is a weekly podcast hosted by veteran practitioners of the marketing and product analytics industry. Join Dan and Dara from Measurelab, Bhav from CRAP Talks and the occasional guest on their quest to make sense of the analytics industry, and have some fun along the way.
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If you liked this episode, don't forget to subscribe to The Measure Pod on your favourite podcast platform and leave us a review. Let's make sense of the analytics industry together!
The post Sound Bite: GA4 vs BigQuery data, what are the use cases? appeared first on Measurelab.

Dec 22, 2023 • 54min
#92 Christmas Special: Year in review and predictions for 2024
Full show notes, transcript and AI chatbot - https://shorturl.at/qwRZ6
You can now watch this episode as a vodcast over on YouTube - https://youtu.be/BaK-EnMe91g
00:00:00 - Introduction
00:00:15 - Festive greetings and episode overview
00:00:47 - Personal reflections on 2023
00:01:00 - Video games and platform updates
00:02:28 - Career changes and joining MeasurePod
00:03:33 - Launching new tools and projects
00:04:53 - Dan's focus on education and training
00:07:45 - Looking ahead to 2024
00:16:52 - The impact of ChatGPT and GA4 in 2023
00:25:06 - Predictions for tech and tools in 2024
00:36:22 - Industry changes and redundancies in 2023
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Episode Summary:
In this week's episode of The Measure Pod, it's our Christmas special! Dan and Bhav discuss the highs and lows of the past year, they make predictions for 2024, and shared what they'll be up to over the Christmas period.
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Quotes of the Episode:
"ChatGPT has allowed them to speed up the way they work you know, if you've never written SQL before, or if you've written SQL to a, you know, intermediate or basic level, you can now get really advanced code coming straight out of ChatGPT" - Bhav
"I've noticed how many hours of my life in the last five years have been talking about things like GDPR and cookies when I never thought of that, when I started this over 10 years ago" - Dan
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About The Measure Pod:
The Measure Pod is a weekly podcast hosted by veteran practitioners of the marketing and product analytics industry. Join Dan and Dara from Measurelab, Bhav from CRAP Talks and the occasional guest on their quest to make sense of the analytics industry, and have some fun along the way.
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If you liked this episode, don't forget to subscribe to The Measure Pod on your favourite podcast platform and leave us a review. Let's make sense of the analytics industry together!
The post #92 Christmas Special: Year in review and predictions for 2024 appeared first on Measurelab.

Dec 20, 2023 • 4min
Sound Bite: Neurodiversity in data, technology and IT
Episode Summary:
In this weeks sound bite (from the archive) Dan & Dara spoke with Marc Crawley from Diversita, a recruitment company that specialises in advising and empowering neurodivergent data, technology and IT professionals.
Full episode here: https://shorturl.at/fsyHQ
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About The Measure Pod:
The Measure Pod is a weekly podcast hosted by veteran practitioners of the marketing and product analytics industry. Join Dan and Dara from Measurelab, Bhav from CRAP Talks and the occasional guest on their quest to make sense of the analytics industry, and have some fun along the way.
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If you liked this episode, don't forget to subscribe to The Measure Pod on your favourite podcast platform and leave us a review. Let's make sense of the analytics industry together!
The post Sound Bite: Neurodiversity in data, technology and IT appeared first on Measurelab.