

The Measure Pod
Measurelab
The Measure Pod is your go-to fortnightly podcast hosted by seasoned analytics pros. Join Dara Fitzgerald (Co-Founder at Measurelab) & Matthew Hooson (Head of Engineering at Measurelab) as they dive into the world of data, analytics and measurement—with a side of fun.
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Feb 23, 2024 • 52min
#99 AI in Self-Serve Analytics (with Gaurav Tiwari @ Spotify)
Gaurav Tiwari shares insights on self-serve analytics and the role of AI in data analysis. Topics include data literacy, generative AI in decision-making, the importance of semantic layers, and the social impact of data analytics. Discussion on the desire for data control, Excel exports, and the future challenges in technology and environmental impact.

Feb 21, 2024 • 4min
Sound Bite: How can personalisation drive lasting value?
Episode Summary:
In this weeks sound bite (from the archive) Dan & Dara spoke with Rasmus Houlind from Agillic. They chat about what personalisation entails, the distinctions between implicit and explicit personalisation, the ownership of the customer journey by the customer, and the adaptation of a CRO mindset for personalisation.
Full episode here: https://shorturl.at/CFHIX
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About The Measure Pod:
The Measure Pod is a weekly podcast hosted by veteran practitioners of the marketing and product analytics industry. Join Dan and Dara from Measurelab, Bhav from CRAP Talks and the occasional guest on their quest to make sense of the analytics industry, and have some fun along the way.
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If you liked this episode, don't forget to subscribe to The Measure Pod on your favourite podcast platform and leave us a review. Let's make sense of the analytics industry together!
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Feb 16, 2024 • 49min
#98 What on earth is a semantic layer?! (with David Jayatillake @ Delphi)
Full show notes, transcript and AI chatbot - https://shorturl.at/fqIO2
You can now watch this episode as a vodcast over on YouTube - https://youtu.be/VDZ5P8_Ianc
[00:00:00] Introduction.
[00:06:32] What is a semantic layer?
[00:08:13] Semantic layers in data analysis.
[00:15:50] Semantic layers in AI.
[00:25:40] Building modern data stacks.
[00:30:04] The future of semantic layers.
[00:33:27] Building data infrastructure challenges.
[00:38:41] The challenge of self-serve.
[00:40:52] Google's strategic approach.
[00:44:41] Rapid fire questions
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Episode Summary:
In this week's episode of The Measure Pod we spoke with David Jayatillake, co-founder of Delphi and organiser of the London Analytics Meetup. David spoke to us about the concept of semantic layers, offering a deep understanding of its applications and implications in various technologies. Despite some questionable jokes, the episode is packed with nuggets of wisdom.
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Quotes of the Episode:
"...I think whilst we're still maybe in the very early stages of semantic layers and things like that, I think it's definitely something to watch out for in the future." - David
"...You need something that's going to give it context, but you also need something that's going to give it constraint, and that's kind of like what's really good about a semantic layer." - David
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About The Measure Pod:
The Measure Pod is a weekly podcast hosted by veteran practitioners of the marketing and product analytics industry. Join Dan and Dara from Measurelab, Bhav from CRAP Talks and the occasional guest on their quest to make sense of the analytics industry, and have some fun along the way.
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If you liked this episode, don't forget to subscribe to The Measure Pod on your favourite podcast platform and leave us a review. Let's make sense of the analytics industry together!
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Feb 9, 2024 • 51min
#97 The future of event data (with Timo Dechau @ deepskydata)
Full show notes, transcript and AI chatbot - https://shorturl.at/hlrX7
You can now watch this episode as a vodcast over on YouTube - https://youtu.be/f0oL6Fvao78
00:00:00 - Intro
00:02:27 - Welcoming Timo Dechau to the show
00:03:09 - Timo introduces himself and his journey
00:06:07 - The evolution of product management
00:07:00 - Transition to event data in marketing analytics
00:10:02 - The future of event data and analysis
00:13:38 - The challenge of adopting product analytics
00:17:00 - The profitability of data and analytics functions
00:18:08 - The future of event data and event schemas
00:23:02 - The potential of event data in various use cases
00:26:03 - Sequence analysis and its power in event data
00:30:10 - The impact of privacy changes on event data
00:34:00 - Who owns the event data process?
00:43:33 - Timo's solution for event data design and documentation
00:45:53 - Rapid fire questions
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Episode Summary:
In this week's episode of The Measure Pod we spoke with Timo Dechau, a product manager and analyst with a unique perspective on event tracking. He discusses the challenges faced by product managers, his journey into product management, and the technical skills he deploys. We spoke about event data and marketing data, as well as the people, processes, and design involved in event tracking.
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Quotes of the Episode:
"...And product is more complicated because like there's often not like a clear funnel in there, it's not a linear path that you have." - Timo
"..."It's the irony, isn't it? Is that people think that it used to be okay and now it's broken. And actually it was always broken." - Dan
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About The Measure Pod:
The Measure Pod is a weekly podcast hosted by veteran practitioners of the marketing and product analytics industry. Join Dan and Dara from Measurelab, Bhav from CRAP Talks and the occasional guest on their quest to make sense of the analytics industry, and have some fun along the way.
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If you liked this episode, don't forget to subscribe to The Measure Pod on your favourite podcast platform and leave us a review. Let's make sense of the analytics industry together!
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Feb 2, 2024 • 48min
#96 The Psychology of Data (with Tim Ceuppens @ Pit&Pit)
Full show notes, transcript and AI chatbot - https://shorturl.at/hpHRW
You can now watch this episode as a vodcast over on YouTube - https://youtu.be/vDvvtv4WqNM
00:02:02 - Introducing special guest Tim Ceuppens
00:04:02 - Tim's backstory and career journey
00:08:00 - The problem with data meetings
00:09:08 - Applying psychology of data in practice
00:10:13 - The challenge with agency reporting
00:12:09 - The role of curiosity in data and marketing
00:13:19 - The use of anchoring in data presentation
00:15:06 - The framework for measuring campaigns
00:19:24 - The use of anchoring before presenting data
00:21:17 - The myth of data as the sole success factor
00:24:15 - Rapid Fire Questions
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Episode Summary:
In this week's episode of The Measure Pod we spoke with Tim Ceuppens, a creative thinker in the field of data and marketing. Tim shared his journey from film school to becoming the Chief Marketing Officer for Belgium and Netherlands' largest health foods company, highlighting the importance of curiosity and storytelling in data analytics.
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Quotes of the Episode:
"...I'm done with not being informed, not understanding what you're trying to tell me, or being shown like cherry picked data where you did a good job, even though we're not seeing any returns, but there was a lot of engagement or vice versa. And I just started to think, okay, so what can I do?" - Tim
"...So Ted Lasso, you know that scene where he's playing darts and he's talking about how he got to where he got to and people always underestimated him. And it was that quote he saw by Walt Whitman on the wall that said, be curious, not judgmental." - Bhav
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About The Measure Pod:
The Measure Pod is a weekly podcast hosted by veteran practitioners of the marketing and product analytics industry. Join Dan and Dara from Measurelab, Bhav from CRAP Talks and the occasional guest on their quest to make sense of the analytics industry, and have some fun along the way.
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If you liked this episode, don't forget to subscribe to The Measure Pod on your favourite podcast platform and leave us a review. Let's make sense of the analytics industry together!
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Jan 31, 2024 • 4min
Sound Bite: How has the role of data changed over time?
Episode Summary:
In this weeks sound bite (from the archive) Dan & Dara spoke with Jim Sterne from Target Marketing. He specifically discusses the changes in online marketing and data since the 1990s.
Full episode here: https://shorturl.at/euwI1
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About The Measure Pod:
The Measure Pod is a weekly podcast hosted by veteran practitioners of the marketing and product analytics industry. Join Dan and Dara from Measurelab, Bhav from CRAP Talks and the occasional guest on their quest to make sense of the analytics industry, and have some fun along the way.
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If you liked this episode, don't forget to subscribe to The Measure Pod on your favourite podcast platform and leave us a review. Let's make sense of the analytics industry together!
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Jan 19, 2024 • 44min
#95 Analytics on form (with Alun Lucas @ Zuko Analytics)
Full show notes, transcript and AI chatbot - https://shorturl.at/hqFZ0
You can now watch this episode as a vodcast over on YouTube - https://youtu.be/-7WYFOk3dvc
00:00:00 - Introduction to Alan Lucas and form analytics
00:03:11 - Alan Lucas's background and Zuko Analytics
00:06:28 - Comparing Zuko with GA4 capabilities
00:10:03 - The problem of form analytics longevity
00:13:09 - The continuous need for form optimisation
00:18:49 - The value of a friction score metric
00:26:08 - The impact of tracking limitations on form analytics
00:28:09 - Generative AI and it's potential impact
00:32:05 - The future of form analytics and automation
00:36:01 - The use of forms for qualitative data collection
00:37:47 - Rapid fire questions with Alan Lucas
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Episode Summary:
In this week's episode of The Measure Pod we spoke with Alun Lucas, the Managing Director at Zuko Analytics. We spoke specifically about webforms, and the optimisation tool Zuko has built to help businesses get a better understanding of when, where and why visitors abandon forms. We also discuss the potential impact of AI on forms, and the benefits of using a dedicated tool as opposed to GA4.
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Quotes of the Episode:
"...What we tend to look at is more a difference in behaviour between cohorts and the you know, the base cohort we look at is the cohort of people who are successfully completing a form and the cohort of people who abandon the form. And if you see a significant difference in behaviour between those two, and I mean statistically significant, then you've got an indicator there's a problem." - Alun
"...I think for me, it would be quite important to be able to view the sub metrics that are being used to make up that quasi-metric, because if you just get that frustration score and you don't know what's contributing to it, you could then make the wrong conclusion." - Dara
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About The Measure Pod:
The Measure Pod is a weekly podcast hosted by veteran practitioners of the marketing and product analytics industry. Join Dan and Dara from Measurelab, Bhav from CRAP Talks and the occasional guest on their quest to make sense of the analytics industry, and have some fun along the way.
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If you liked this episode, don't forget to subscribe to The Measure Pod on your favourite podcast platform and leave us a review. Let's make sense of the analytics industry together!
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Jan 17, 2024 • 4min
Sound Bite: How can we improve accessibility on the web?
Episode Summary:
In this weeks sound bite (from the archive) Dan & Dara spoke with Ellen Cole from Little Seed Group. Ellen shared insights on working with invisible differences and offers tips for businesses to enhance inclusivity in their social media and marketing efforts.
Full episode here: https://shorturl.at/tBGU6
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About The Measure Pod:
The Measure Pod is a weekly podcast hosted by veteran practitioners of the marketing and product analytics industry. Join Dan and Dara from Measurelab, Bhav from CRAP Talks and the occasional guest on their quest to make sense of the analytics industry, and have some fun along the way.
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If you liked this episode, don't forget to subscribe to The Measure Pod on your favourite podcast platform and leave us a review. Let's make sense of the analytics industry together!
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Jan 12, 2024 • 56min
#94 Why don’t people understand tech SEO and analytics? (with Matt Jones @ Freelancing Friends)
In this engaging podcast, Matt Jones, a tech SEO freelancer, talks about his journey to freelancing and the importance of tech SEO and analytics. They discuss proving SEO value, keeping up with algorithm changes, and the future of search with Generative AI. The conversation provides insights into the challenges and opportunities in the SEO industry.

Jan 10, 2024 • 4min
Sound Bite: Costs and considerations when migrating to server-side GTM
Episode Summary:
In this weeks sound bite (from the archive) Dan & Dara spoke with our very own Matt Hooson, the Data Engineering Lead here at Measurelab. In this clip taken from episode 74 we discuss the update framework he's developed, and the costs and considerations when migrating to server-side GTM.
Full episode here: https://shorturl.at/wxBR7
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About The Measure Pod:
The Measure Pod is a weekly podcast hosted by veteran practitioners of the marketing and product analytics industry. Join Dan and Dara from Measurelab, Bhav from CRAP Talks and the occasional guest on their quest to make sense of the analytics industry, and have some fun along the way.
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If you liked this episode, don't forget to subscribe to The Measure Pod on your favourite podcast platform and leave us a review. Let's make sense of the analytics industry together!
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