
That Hoarder: Overcome Compulsive Hoarding
Hoarding disorder is stigmatised and people who hoard feel vast amounts of shame. This podcast began life as an audio diary, an anonymous outlet for somebody with this weird condition. That Hoarder speaks about her experiences living with compulsive hoarding, she interviews therapists, academics, researchers, children of hoarders, professional organisers and influencers, and she shares insight and tips for others with the problem. Listened to by people who hoard as well as those who love them and those who work with them, Overcome Compulsive Hoarding with That Hoarder aims to shatter the stigma, share the truth and speak openly and honestly to improve lives.
Latest episodes

Feb 14, 2025 • 49min
#176 What to do with clothes when we lose or gain weight (with absolutely NO diet-culture talk!): practical tips for dealing with size fluctuations without clutter
Come to a Dehoarding Accountability Zoom Session: http://www.overcomecompulsivehoarding.co.uk/ticket
Subscribe to the podcast: https://www.overcomecompulsivehoarding.co.uk/subscribe
Podcast show notes, links and transcript: http://www.overcomecompulsivehoarding.co.uk/
In today's episode, I talk about the practical challenges of handling clothes when losing or gaining weight, without promoting or criticising body size changes – this is a diet-culture free zone! I look at the emotional, nostalgic, and practical hurdles in letting go of clothes that no longer fit and offer advice on maintaining a well-balanced wardrobe while managing current size transitions. Like, what do we buy in our new size?! Plus, I'll provide practical tips on selling or donating old clothes and how to avoid over-accumulating in your new size.
Handling Clothes When Gaining or Losing Weight
Experience with Weight Fluctuation
Emotional and Practical Challenges of Clothes That No Longer Fit
Challenges of Discarding Clothes
Emotional Attachment to Clothes
Difficulty in Letting Go of Clothes with Memories or Associations
Factors Influencing the Decision to Keep or Discard Clothes
Potential Future Weight Fluctuations
Emotional Attachments
The Sunk Cost Fallacy
Guilt About Waste
Strategies for Managing Clothes When Weight Changes
Building the Dehoarding Muscle
Selling vs. Donating Clothes
Setting Parameters for Clothing Storage
Practical Solutions for Current Clothing Needs
Shopping Your Own Stuff
Gradual Replacement Strategy
Mindful Purchasing Decisions
The Liberating Aspects of Letting Go of Clothes

Feb 7, 2025 • 1h 1min
#175 Taking the scary first steps: the courage to call a professional organiser, with Jasmine Sleigh
Come to a Dehoarding Accountability Zoom Session: http://www.overcomecompulsivehoarding.co.uk/ticket
Subscribe to the podcast: https://www.overcomecompulsivehoarding.co.uk/subscribe
Podcast show notes, links and transcript: http://www.overcomecompulsivehoarding.co.uk/
In this episode, I'm joined by Jasmine Sleigh, professional declutterer, as we discuss the daunting first steps of reaching out for professional help in tackling hoarding. Jasmine shares insights into what prompts individuals to make that initial call and the courage it takes, alongside practical strategies for working with organisers. Tune in for a thoughtful conversation on overcoming fears and building trust for positive change in managing clutter.
Inviting Professional Help
Jasmine explains common motivators for people to seek help
Specific incidents or realisations prompting action
Example scenarios like misplaced items or repairs
The Initial Call to a Professional Organiser
What typically prompts the call for professional help
Jasmine's perspective on admiration for those who reach out
The importance of taking calls seriously and with empathy
Engaging with Potential Clients
Approach to initial conversations with potential clients
Building trust and understanding the client's situation
Establishing client needs and potential outcomes
Assessing the Client’s Home
How Jasmine gathers information about the client's home
Importance of assessing without judgment
Considering client interaction with their items and living space
Professional Organiser-Client Dynamics
Respecting clients’ preferences and leading decisions
Balancing professional insight with client autonomy
Working towards the client's goals and priorities
Process from Inquiry to Working Together
Steps from initial inquiry to in-home visit
Managing client expectations and realities
Ensuring client comfort and readiness
In-Home Visit Experience
Jasmine’s mindset and approach during a home visit
Avoiding overwhelm and maintaining professionalism
Logistical and emotional assessments of the client’s environment
Judgment and Perception in the Decluttering Process
Being conscious of non-verbal cues and judgments perceived by clients
Strategies for maintaining client comfort and trust
Determining Fit and Referrals
Assessing fit between client and professional organiser
Referring clients to other professionals when appropriate
Dealing with Client Motivations and External Pressures
Addressing clients seeking help due to external pressures
Finding a balance between urgency and client readiness
Ensuring Positive Outcomes and Encouraging Future Engagement
Creating a sense of achievement for the client
Fostering positive experiences to encourage future self-help
Challenges and Responsibilities of Professional Organisers
Ethical responsibilities and managing client expectations
Building trust for effective collaboration
Personal Reflections and Habits for Mental Health
Jasmine shares personal habits that support her mental health
Reflection on the importance of reading and self-care activities

Jan 31, 2025 • 1h 15min
#174 How to feel grounded when we're overwhelmed or dysregulated using ventral vagal spaces and touchstones, with Dr Jan Eppingstall
Come to a Dehoarding Accountability Zoom Session: http://www.overcomecompulsivehoarding.co.uk/ticket
Subscribe to the podcast: https://www.overcomecompulsivehoarding.co.uk/subscribe
Podcast show notes, links and transcript: http://www.overcomecompulsivehoarding.co.uk/
In today's episode, Dr Jan Eppingstall and I explore how to create a ventral vagal space or touchstone to help us regulate our emotions, drawing inspiration from the work of Deb Dana and polyvagal theory. We look at how we can find or create areas within our home, and objects we can use on the go, that provide safety and connection, allowing us to feel grounded and manage overwhelming moments. We'll look at the emotional significance of objects, avoiding those that glower at us, and instead creating spaces filled with comfort and warmth.
Creating Your Own Ventral Vagal Space
Permission Slip segment
Discussion about photographic portraits
Emotions associated with the portraits
Objects as Memories
Significant memories vs. happy memories
Harriet Impey's notion of "glowering" objects
Emotional Impact of Objects
Portraits as a reminder of insecurity
Ventral Vagal Space Concept
Use of Deb Dana's work in polyvagal theory
Connection between emotional safety and physical space
Explanation of Polyvagal Theory
Breakdown of the nervous system's stages: ventral vagal, sympathetic, and dorsal vagal
Relevance of Polyvagal Theory to Hoarding
Trauma and its relation to object attachment
Challenges of decision-making in a cluttered environment
Deb Dana's Home Analogy - Comparison of home systems to body's autonomic systems
Integration needed for a "full life" and connection
Practical Application of Ventral Vagal Spaces
Creating nourishing home spaces
Abundance
Importance of Touchstones
Explanation and significance of touchstones
Examples of personal or portable calming items
Creating a Ventral Vagal Space or Touchstone
Starting small by identifying objects that bring safety and contentment
Using childhood memories to influence current safe spaces
Applications and Benefits
Using the space for emotional regulation
Touchstones as portable reminders of safety
Recognising objects that already serve as touchstones
Importance of awareness and observation in identifying touchstones
Utilising Resources for Grounding
Examples of resources: lava lamps, messages, certain sounds
Strategies for implementing these resources in daily life

Jan 24, 2025 • 41min
#173 9 things that are working for me when tackling hoarding and over-acquiring right now
Discover nine impactful strategies for managing hoarding behavior and curbing over-acquiring. From tackling unopened letters to using a gamified app for self-care, each strategy offers a fresh perspective on overcoming perfectionism. The importance of supportive friendships shines through as a crucial factor in fostering progress. Embrace imperfection with the innovative 'hummingbird method' while redefining your relationship with anxiety and the inner critic. Join in for a journey marked by kindness and growth as you learn to let go.

Jan 17, 2025 • 1h 5min
#172 Harriet Impey on clearing out her parents’ very full home, through family belongings and personal growth, in the film Where Dragons Live
Come to a Dehoarding Accountability Zoom Session: http://www.overcomecompulsivehoarding.co.uk/ticket
Subscribe to the podcast: https://www.overcomecompulsivehoarding.co.uk/subscribe
Podcast show notes, links and transcript: http://www.overcomecompulsivehoarding.co.uk/
In today's episode, I chat with Harriet Impey about the complex process of clearing out her parents' cluttered house after their deaths. From unusual family rules to emotional ties with objects, we cover how Harriet navigated the challenges of sorting belongings, her family dynamics, and the personal growth she experienced along the way navigating emotional landscapes.
We also talk about whether her parents hoarded and how their relationship with their stuff has affected her relationship with her stuff. Plus, we discuss the importance of letting go, embracing mindfulness, and the transformative power of therapy.
Trailer: Where Dragons Live: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2ARgzYZei8
Growing up in a cluttered house and realisation later in life
Harriet's mother's attachment to objects and possible hoarding
Influence of family habits on personal behaviour
Relationships and Emotional Awareness
Harriet's journey towards emotional awareness and accepting imperfections
Importance of recognising complex feelings
Managing fear of arguments and expressing anger
Using Objects Instead of Saving Them
Harriet's family preference for keeping items "too special to use"
Transition to using these items with joy
Family Dynamics and Emotional Suppression
Differences in attitudes towards possessions among Harriet and her siblings
Parents' contrasting approaches to objects
Impact of her mother's anxiety on household rules and behavior
Clearing Out Parents' Home
Harriet's responsibility in sorting through parental belongings
Emotional impact of dealing with deceased person's possessions
Reference to "Swedish Death Cleaning"
Importance of considerate item management
Therapy and Self-Reflection
Harriet's 20 years of therapy and its impact
The influence of therapy on personal happiness and self-awareness
Learning to be less rigid in life
Managing and Letting Go of Belongings
Evaluating the necessity of keeping certain belongings
Mindfulness and Mental Health
Mindful self-compassion and ACT
The filming of "Where Dragons Live"
The dual charm and burden of the family home
Personal Experiences and Family Impact

Jan 10, 2025 • 42min
#171 Hi Ren: How a song dramatically changed my approach to my inner critic
Come to a Dehoarding Accountability Zoom Session: http://www.overcomecompulsivehoarding.co.uk/ticket
Subscribe to the podcast: https://www.overcomecompulsivehoarding.co.uk/subscribe
Podcast show notes, links and transcript: https://www.overcomecompulsivehoarding.co.uk/podcast-ep-171-hi-ren-the-song-that-dramatically-changed-my-approach-to-my-inner-critic/
In this episode, I discuss Ren's song "Hi Ren," a mind-blowing exploration of inner conflict that blows apart ideas about the balance between darkness and light within us all. We'll unpack Ren's introspective lyrics, which explore themes like mental illness and creativity, and consider his take on life and what we can learn from it. I share how this song's impact has resonated with my own journey in dealing with grief and the inner critic.
Watch the original song by Ren here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_nc1IVoMxc&pp=ygUGaGkgcmVu
Impact of "Hi Ren" by Ren Gill on my life
Relation to grief and managing the inner critic
Themes of Strength and Hope
Inner strength and resilience amidst challenges
Inner Conflict
Illness and psychological battles
The pendulum metaphor, advocating acceptance
Universal evil and inner conflict
Dark side as defensive rather than malevolent
Chaos and division as intrinsic parts of self
Identification with 'hope' indicating a shift towards optimism
Life as a Dance
Complexity and humanity over supernatural perfection
Episode contains sensitive topics including swearing, suicide, and mental distress
Song Analysis
Exploration of mental illness and creativity struggles
Connection to personal inner critic experiences
Dialogue between Ren's dark and light personas
Discussion of inner conflict and personal growth
Internal struggle about personal achievements
Dark side's criticism of Ren’s insecurities
Ren’s music achieving 43 million YouTube views
Dark side as a symbol of temptation and negativity
Host's parallel with personal inner critics
Steve Chapman's TED talk on inner critics
Emotional impact of "Hi Ren" song on the host
Dark Ren attacks out of fear and insecurity.
Inner critic misconstrues protection as help.
Inner critic always undermines self-confidence, futile.
Ren's song conveys hope's profound impact.
Embrace change; it's an evolving balance.
Struggling makes us human, imperfect, and relatable.

Jan 3, 2025 • 1h 35min
REMIX: The Art of Letting Go: Navigating emotional clutter blocks with Tracy McCubbin
Get your 2025 decluttering inspiration calendar: http://www.overcomecompulsivehoarding.co.uk/2025
Come to a Dehoarding Accountability Zoom Session: http://www.overcomecompulsivehoarding.co.uk/ticket
Subscribe to the podcast: https://www.overcomecompulsivehoarding.co.uk/subscribe
Podcast show notes, links and transcript: http://www.overcomecompulsivehoarding.co.uk/

Dec 27, 2024 • 1h 32min
REMIX: ADHD, depression, autism, OCD, OCPD and more: Things that look like hoarding but aren't, with Dr Jan Eppingstall
Get your 2025 decluttering inspiration calendar: http://www.overcomecompulsivehoarding.co.uk/2025
Come to a Dehoarding Accountability Zoom Session: http://www.overcomecompulsivehoarding.co.uk/ticket
Subscribe to the podcast: https://www.overcomecompulsivehoarding.co.uk/subscribe
Podcast show notes, links and transcript: http://www.overcomecompulsivehoarding.co.uk/

Dec 20, 2024 • 1h 3min
#170 Impermanence: radical acceptance in a world of change with Dr Jan Eppingstall
Get your 2025 decluttering inspo calendar: http://www.overcomecompulsivehoarding.co.uk/2025
Come to a Dehoarding Accountability Zoom Session: http://www.overcomecompulsivehoarding.co.uk/ticket
Subscribe to the podcast: https://www.overcomecompulsivehoarding.co.uk/subscribe
Podcast show notes, links and transcript: http://www.overcomecompulsivehoarding.co.uk/
Exploring impermanence, this episode highlights how these concepts can help us understand hoarding behaviours and the illusion of control. Looking at impermanence also includes addressing mindfulness, Acceptance and Commitment Therapy, coping with change, ambiguity and uncertainty. Yikes!
Embracing Impermanence
Psychological benefits of impermanence
Concept of "glimmers"
Interplay between mindfulness and impermanence
Fernández-Campos paper on non-judgmental attention
Critique of commercial distortion of mindfulness
Jon Kabat-Zinn’s definition of mindfulness
Practical mindfulness exercises
Mindfulness in Hoarding Context
Psychological dimensions and security from possessions
Environmental Responsibility vs. Hoarding
Personal insights on waste and possessions
Uncertainty, Ambiguity, and Impermanence in Hoarding
Tolerance of uncertainty and ambiguity
Embracing impermanence to reduce distress
Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (ACT) and Hoarding
Psychological flexibility and acceptance of constant change
ACT's promotion of resilience
Use of ACT and Compassion Focused Therapy
Radical Acceptance
Steps to practice radical acceptance
Awareness and curiosity toward challenges
Vocalising Thoughts and Journaling
Benefits of speaking thoughts aloud
Buddhist Concepts and Impermanence
Awareness and acceptance in Buddhism
Tara Brach’s qualities of awareness
Personal Reflections on Change and Relationships
Resisting and coming to terms with change
"Permission Slip" Segment
Concept of Control and Suffering in Hoarding
Desire for permanence leading to hoarding behaviour
Justifications for Keeping Items
Avoiding unnecessary consumption
Ethical decision-making when buying
Increasing Awareness and Understanding Personal Motivations
Promoting curiosity through being without something

Dec 13, 2024 • 44min
#169 Compassion-focused therapy for grief and hoarding with Dr Chia-Ying Chou
Get your 2025 decluttering inspiration calendar: http://www.overcomecompulsivehoarding.co.uk/2025
Come to a Dehoarding Accountability Zoom Session: http://www.overcomecompulsivehoarding.co.uk/ticket
Subscribe to the podcast: https://www.overcomecompulsivehoarding.co.uk/subscribe
Podcast show notes, links and transcript: http://www.overcomecompulsivehoarding.co.uk/
In today's episode, I ask Dr Chia-Ying Chou about the complex interplay between grief and hoarding. We'll explore how emotions like grief can trigger hoarding behaviour, the role an inner critic plays, and learn all about compassion-focused therapy – including why it’s so much easier to offer compassion than to receive it. The timing is perfect, coinciding with National Grief Awareness Week in the UK.
Grief and Hoarding Discussion
Chia-Ying Chou discusses the non-direct link between grief and hoarding based on clinical experience.
Factors such as resistance to grieving and avoiding vulnerability exacerbate hoarding.
Grief can trigger hoarding behaviour to maintain a sense of control and avoid confronting loss.
Host shares personal experiences of how grief intensified their hoarding behaviour.
Grief and Possessions
People keep deceased loved ones' belongings as a way to preserve their existence.
Chou mentions the ambiguous preservation of loved ones through items.
Anxiety and resistance to facing grief make organising or discarding possessions difficult.
Complex Emotions in Grief
Host reflects on the unexpected emotions in grief, like anger or impatience.
Therapeutic Strategies for Grief and Hoarding
Chou compares addressing resistance to grief to preparing for a challenging hike.
Emphasis on resourcing, preparing mentally, and gathering support.
Suggestions for a "baby-step" approach to facing fears and emotions.
Inner Critic and Grief
Host discusses journey with their inner critic and finding new approaches to handle it.
Chou highlights how internal criticism is often related to grief and missed opportunities.
Compassion-Focused Therapy (CFT)
Integration of Western psychotherapy and Buddhist philosophy for addressing psychological challenges.
Difficulty in receiving or directing compassion towards oneself.
Connections Between Hoarding, Trauma, and Grief
Patterns of loss, either tangible or intangible, among those who hoard.
Episode ties with National Grief Awareness Week in the UK.
Cultivating Compassionate Companions
Idea of cultivating an imaginary compassionate companion for emotional support.
Emphasis on emotions being a part of persona, not the true self.
Emotions and Grief Management
Pacing yourself.
Chou recommends creating space for emotions to surface naturally.
Encouragement to welcome emotions as a creative process in internal space.
Examine fears and take small steps to engage with feelings.
Remember Everything You Learn from Podcasts
Save insights instantly, chat with episodes, and build lasting knowledge - all powered by AI.