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The Destination Marketing Podcast is built for tourism marketers across the country who are overworked and understaffed. Our goal is to help these people prioritize the activities that are proven to be most effective in marketing a destination and stay up to date on the latest technologies and trends in the industry. This isn’t a feel-good, motivational podcast. We’re diving deep into what to do and how to do it. Subscribe today if you’re a tourism marketer and want to perfect your craft.
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Mar 21, 2023 • 49min
246: Taking Savannah to New York City with Lauren Cleland
Lauren Cleland, the Director of Marketing and Data Intelligence at Visit Savannah, discusses a recent successful pop-up event they hosted in New York City. She shares valuable insights into why pop-up events are an effective way to advertise your destination, regardless of its size or budget. She also provides insider tips on how to plan and execute such an event and emphasizes the significance of marketing that requires minimal effort on the consumer's part. With plans to host another event in Chicago soon, this episode is a must-listen for anyone looking to increase tourism and drive more visitors to their destination. Join us as we dive deep into the details of experiential advertising.
"If you have a big idea don't shoot it down before you ever give yourself a chance to make some magic happen. I don't care if that big idea is a new website, if it's having a TikTok account, if that big idea is having a pop up event. Don't talk yourself out of something and don't let someone else talk you out of something if you believe in it."
- Lauren Cleland
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Mar 14, 2023 • 31min
245: What is Resilience Tourism with Candace Carr Strauss
Candace Carr Strauss, VP of Marketing and Communications at the Montana Chamber of Commerce, shares valuable insights about Montana's innovative approach to tourism data collection, which has helped them better understand visitor behaviors and preferences. In this engaging conversation, Candace also discusses the importance of tourism resiliency and how destinations can be better prepared for unexpected events and crises. Tune in to discover how Montana is leading the way in sustainable tourism practices and learn actionable strategies for enhancing your own destination's resiliency.
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Mar 7, 2023 • 40min
244: Designing a State of the Art Resort Experience with Patrick Manning
Managing Director Patrick Manning to talk about the exciting Black Desert Resort in southern Utah. Joining us today, Manning shares his vision of creating a gathering place that offers endless fun, delicious food, and a vibrant music scene for people of all ages to enjoy. As we delve into the topic, he highlights his goal of offering a unique culinary experience that perfectly complements the resort's music and golf scene. Manning provides insights into his efforts to make the Black Desert Resort stand out from other resorts in the region. His commitment to creating an all-encompassing experience for guests is evident, and his passion for the project is infectious. Tune in to hear all about the Black Desert Resort and discover how Patrick Manning is setting out to create a truly memorable experience for all those who visit.
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Mar 6, 2023 • 15min
243: Listener Question: How Can Destinations Use the Instagram Collaboration Feature in a Successful Way?
In response to a recent question posed by a listener, social media specialist McKenna Parkinson joins Adam to talk about the Instagram collaboration feature and its impact on social media marketing. McKenna sheds light on how Instagram collaborations can help travel destinations build brand awareness and increase engagement while providing valuable tips for businesses looking to make the most out of this feature and establish successful partnerships on the platform.
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Feb 28, 2023 • 42min
242: How the Hit TV Show "Yellowstone" Affected Montana Tourism with Melissa Weddell
How much do you think popular media such as movies and TV Shows impact tourism? That's one of the questions researched by Melissa Weddell and her team at the University of Montana. Melissa joins Adam on today's episode to talk about how "Yellowstone", Paramount's hit TV show that's filmed in Montana, impacts tourism in the state. Listen to learn more about the show's means for visitation, economics and housing in Montana.
"Yeah, when something comes this popular, there's a lot of tension. And people are like, you know, 'it's too crowded, there's too many people' and other people are like, 'we need more films, this is great, we need more'. I think those are the struggles" - Melissa Weddell
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Feb 21, 2023 • 42min
241: Building Destination Websites for Tomorrow with Sonoma County Tourism
What goes into a modern DMO website? Todd O'Leary and Achilles Stravoravdis of Sonoma County Tourism join Adam on this episode to discuss this. For longtime fans of The Travel Vertical Podcast, Todd provides an update on the "Sonoma Sound" project that he talked about with Adam and Laurie Jo Miller Farr in August of 2021. In this episode, you’ll also learn about building websites around user data and the importance of website content audits when going through a rebuild.
"You need to make sure that the foundation, which is content, let's be honest, for DMOs it's content, right...is completely thorough and scrubbed prior to doing anything or you're just repeating, you're copying and pasting the mistakes that you made before. So that content audit is everything."
- Achilles Stravoravdis
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Feb 14, 2023 • 43min
240: Celebrating Accessibility with AbleVu Co-Founder Meegan Winters
Meegan Winters, Co-Founder and CEO of AbleVu, joins us on the show today to talk all things accessibility. Learn more about the platform and how destinations are utilizing it with their stakeholders to promote accessibility and inclusion within their communities. Meegan and Adam discuss the history of the platform as well as what users can expect in the upcoming years.
"One of the characteristics of someone on the spectrum is a need for routine and difficulty with transitions and trying new things for the first time. That’s why travel is becomes so difficult. This was something that was on my heart. Experiences are something that I thrive on. It feeds my soul to have experiences and I want that for everybody." -Meegan Winters
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Feb 7, 2023 • 37min
239: How to Make the Most of Wellness Travel with Sahara Rose De Vore
What is wellness travel? It's more than yoga retreats and meditative programs. Sahara Rose De Vore — founder of the Travel Coach Network and owner of the WTTM Consulting Group — advocates for the mental, emotional and spiritual health benefits of tourism, drawing from her own extensive travel experience and experiences of the countless vacationers she's spoken with. Having visited 84 countries in just 10 years, she shares how travel has improved her quality of life and claims, "travel is wellness and wellness is travel."The wellness tourism industry is on the rise and Adam and Sahara Rose discuss how marketers can capitalize on the health benefits of their destinations.
"There's no such thing as selling travel; we're selling a feeling, transformation, or outcome that someone is looking for. So it's more speaking to that — how can your destination make that traveler feel before they get there, while they're there, and how can they feel when they return home . . . at a wellness standpoint."
- Sahara Rose De Vore
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To learn more about the Destination Marketing Podcast network and to listen to our other shows, please visit www.thedmpn.com. If you are interested in joining the network, please email adam@relicagency.com.

Jan 31, 2023 • 38min
238: Branded Entertainment: What It Is and Why It's Essential with Diane Charno
Diane Charno's background in advertising gives her a unique perspective as vice president of brand and communications at Visit Myrtle Beach. Merging her experiences working with a diverse collection of organizations in the agency world, she now applies it to her destination. Owned media and branded entertainment is proving to be a vital part of their marketing plan, making Myrtle Beach more than a destination but also a lifestyle. Diane recommends investing in the future by building audiences through a “content first, destination second” approach.
"Each show has its own kind of purpose, audience and story that they're trying to tell and it's not always about the beach. We felt we needed to do that to really build that audience; we wanted to make it more entertaining and give people a reason to tune in, more than just when they're planning a trip to the beach, but to really make it a part of their lives 24/7."
- Diane Charno
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Jan 24, 2023 • 40min
237: Choosing the Perfect Advertising Partner with Marilyn Ball
Host of iHeart Radio's Speaking of Travel Marilyn Ball talks about tourism marketing today. Once a marketing executive herself, Marilyn shares insights she's gained on the power of positioning and partnering with the perfect agency. Creativity is key, she says, and remembering what potential visitors are looking for is at the center of it all.
"I feel the best way is to be your honest, authentic self, and even though they're asking specific questions, just put down what you want to put down what you feel are your strengths. Sometimes you just have to [say], we've worked with a lot of destinations, here are things that we feel are really important to include in that RFP process that is not there, and here's how we would answer those questions.'"
- Marilyn Ball on responding to a destination's RFP
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