
The Ashoka Systems Change Podcast
In 2020 Ashoka’s Globalizer launched a new podcast series on systems change with the first 6-episode season. That season was produced in partnership between Fergal Byrne, the host of the well-known Inspiring Social Entrepreneurs podcast, and Odin Muehlenbein, partner at Ashoka Germany and co-lead of the Systems Unit at Ashoka Globalizer. The first season explores how experienced social entrepreneurs - Jordan Kassalow, Jeroo Billimoria, Michael Sani, Kendis Peris - and Silvia Bastante, as a supporter to social entrepreneurs at Co-Impact, use systems change approaches in their work.
Complement listening to the first season with reading the “Systemic and Empowering” report featuring five case studies of social entrepreneurs working to improve systems - https://lac.ashoka.org/story/systemic-and-empowering.
In early 2021, we continue to explore the topic of systems change and are launching the second mini-season with 4 episodes. This time we will explore how social entrepreneurs can effectively work with governments to improve systems together. This season is co-hosted by Sascha Haselmayer, a seasoned social entrepreneur and an Ashoka Fellow who has worked with 135 municipal governments across the world to improve the provision of public services, and Olga Shirobokova, co-lead of the Systems Unit at Ashoka Globalizer. The 2nd podcast season complements the free online course for social entrepreneurs on Working With Government that Ashoka launched in fall 2020: www.ashoka.org/working-with-government .
Please listen to the podcast on the platform of your choice and leave an honest review. Share it with fellow changemakers and funders and continue the conversation using #systemschange and @ashoka. We can all have more impact together if we work systemically.
Latest episodes

Aug 25, 2022 • 1h 3min
Season 3, Episode 3 Building a New Concept and Mindset on Digital Intelligence
Dr. Yuhyun Park, expert in digital skills, discusses building a new concept, Digital Intelligence, and shifting mindsets around it. She shares strategies for success in creating a global movement to empower 1 billion citizens with digital intelligence by 2030. Insights on overcoming adversity as a social entrepreneur are also highlighted.

Aug 15, 2022 • 46min
Season 3, Episode 2: Princess Olufemi-Kayode shares how she began to shift mindsets around talking about sexual abuse of children
Former journalist turned social entrepreneur Princess Olufemi-Kayode discusses her work in Nigeria to prevent sexual violence against women and children. She highlights the role of media advocacy in shifting mindsets and engaging stakeholders. Princess shares strategies for raising awareness, including peer education programs and advocacy initiatives in Lagos State. The podcast also explores the transformation of mental models on child sexual abuse, the impact of COVID-19, and the importance of strategic media engagement for social change.

Aug 3, 2022 • 42min
Season 3, Episode 1: Introduction to How To Influence The Way People Think, To Change The Way Society Works
Olga Shirobokova discusses influencing mindsets for societal change with Nadine Freeman. They explore shifting societal perspectives on tobacco use and food waste, emphasizing the importance of narrative strategies and empathy in driving systemic shifts.

Feb 5, 2021 • 1h 4min
Season 2 Episode 4: Cracking the Collaboration Jackpot
A social entrepreneur empowering Navajo communities in food policy and a former deputy mayor of Vienna discuss successful collaboration between social entrepreneurs and governments. Topics include societal challenges, mutual aid, community transformation, and the role of pilots in scaling innovations.

Feb 2, 2021 • 37min
Season 2 Episode 3: Finding a collective voice
Markus Sauerhammer, Chair of the German Association of Social Entrepreneurs, discusses empowering social entrepreneurship through collective action, collaborative innovation in Germany, navigating politician meetings for systemic change, and building stronger networks for social entrepreneurs. The episode explores challenges faced and successes achieved in working with governments to shape policies and create impactful societal transformations.

Jan 29, 2021 • 38min
Season 2 Episode 2: The magic key to government
In the second episode of Season 2, Sascha Haselmayer and Olga Shirobokova explore the role communities play in keeping governments accountable. You will hear examples of how social entrepreneurs from Peru, the UK, Romania, India and the US empower people affected by a social problem to take charge and effectively engage with governments in order to improve public services. If you are interested to learn more about how social entrepreneurs can effectively work with government and what are the examples, we encourage you to have a look at our new free online course on this topic at https://academy.vc4a.com/courses/trabajo-con-el-gobierno/ (Spanish version) and www.ashoka.org/working-with-government (English version). The online course and the second season of the Ashoka Systems Change podcast were developed thanks to the support and in partnership with PES Latam.

Jan 28, 2021 • 37min
Season 2 Episode 1: Transcending our own solutions
Sascha Haselmayer, a seasoned social entrepreneur, and Olga Shirobokova discuss the evolution of social entrepreneurs working with governments. They highlight the importance of co-creation and mutual support between stakeholders. Topics include innovative navigation systems for the visually impaired, public procurement's role in social solutions, and the impact of engaging with government for systemic change.

Jul 27, 2020 • 42min
Episode 6: Silvia Bastante de Unverhau discusses funding systems change
Silvia Bastante de Unverhau, a philanthropy expert, discusses funding systems change, emphasizing long-term partnerships, strategic planning, and supporting diverse initiatives. She explores funding criteria, impact measurement, and the importance of collaborative efforts for successful system-wide projects in areas like healthcare and education.

Jul 12, 2020 • 46min
Episode 5: Interview with Kendis Paris, founder Truckers Against Trafficking
Kendis Paris, Founder of Truckers Against Trafficking, discusses mobilizing the trucking industry to fight human trafficking. She talks about building alliances with policy makers, training drivers, and advocating for policy changes. The episode explores the role of social entrepreneurs in promoting policy changes, supporting administrators, and turning people into changemakers.

Jun 27, 2020 • 58min
Episode 4: Michael Sani discusses the evolving roles of a social entrepreneur
Michael Sani, Founder of Bite the Ballot, shares his journey in mobilizing young voters in the UK. He discusses transitioning roles as a social entrepreneur, strategic voter registration campaigns, measuring impact, and the evolution of organizational development towards systems change. Topics include increased student registration rates, organizational challenges, and personal growth in creating lasting impact.
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