
The Ashoka Systems Change Podcast
In 2020 Ashoka’s Globalizer launched a new podcast series on systems change with the first 6-episode season. That season was produced in partnership between Fergal Byrne, the host of the well-known Inspiring Social Entrepreneurs podcast, and Odin Muehlenbein, partner at Ashoka Germany and co-lead of the Systems Unit at Ashoka Globalizer. The first season explores how experienced social entrepreneurs - Jordan Kassalow, Jeroo Billimoria, Michael Sani, Kendis Peris - and Silvia Bastante, as a supporter to social entrepreneurs at Co-Impact, use systems change approaches in their work.
Complement listening to the first season with reading the “Systemic and Empowering” report featuring five case studies of social entrepreneurs working to improve systems - https://lac.ashoka.org/story/systemic-and-empowering.
In early 2021, we continue to explore the topic of systems change and are launching the second mini-season with 4 episodes. This time we will explore how social entrepreneurs can effectively work with governments to improve systems together. This season is co-hosted by Sascha Haselmayer, a seasoned social entrepreneur and an Ashoka Fellow who has worked with 135 municipal governments across the world to improve the provision of public services, and Olga Shirobokova, co-lead of the Systems Unit at Ashoka Globalizer. The 2nd podcast season complements the free online course for social entrepreneurs on Working With Government that Ashoka launched in fall 2020: www.ashoka.org/working-with-government .
Please listen to the podcast on the platform of your choice and leave an honest review. Share it with fellow changemakers and funders and continue the conversation using #systemschange and @ashoka. We can all have more impact together if we work systemically.
Latest episodes

Jun 5, 2020 • 44min
Episode 3: Interview with Jeroo Billimoria, founder of Childline India, Aflatoun and Child & Youth Finance International (CYFI)
Interview with Jeroo Billimoria, founder of Childline India and Aflatoun, discussing the successful closure of Child & Youth Finance International (CYFI) after achieving its mission of promoting systemic financial education changes globally. Topics include creating coalitions, leadership principles, and tactics for building successful networks for systems change.

May 21, 2020 • 46min
Episode 2: interview with Jordan Kassalow, the founder of VisionSpring, and co-founder EYElliance
Jordan Kassalow, founder of VisionSpring, discusses the evolution of tackling poor vision worldwide through affordable eyewear. He delves into the shift towards a systems-based approach with EYElliance, highlighting the need for trust, strategic partnerships, and public-private collaborations. The podcast explores VisionSpring's impact, global expansion, leadership challenges, and funding hurdles in driving social change initiatives.

May 20, 2020 • 15min
Episode 1: Podcast series introduction
Fergal Byrne, host of Inspiring Social Entrepreneurs, and Odin Mühlenbein, Lead of the Systems Unit at Ashoka Globalizer, introduce the Ashoka Systems Change Podcast