

More or Less
Dave Morin, Jessica Lessin, Brit Morin, and Sam Lessin
Dave Morin, Jessica Lessin, Brit Morin, and Sam Lessin have debated the future of Silicon Valley and tech as the closest of friends for the last 15 years. Now six companies, two venture funds and more than a decade at Google, Apple and Facebook later, they are opening up the debate. From The Information, Offline Ventures, and Slow Ventures.
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Sep 26, 2025 • 47min
#118 Elon vs Altman: The $10B Capital War Reshaping Tech
Join Jess and Sam as they dissect the modern power dynamics reshaping tech. Discover how Meta’s in-store Ray-Bans aim to enhance user experience and the emergence of 'mercantilism 2.0,' where figures like Elon Musk and Sam Altman act as capital brokers. They dive into the strategic implications of Starlink and Apple's Find My as a stealth social network. Plus, learn why LLMs lack lasting moats and how structured finance is reviving AI investments, making early-stage VC more interesting than ever.

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Sep 19, 2025 • 55min
#117 TikTok’s New Owner and Hiring a US CEO?
Dive into the complexities of TikTok's rumored deal involving ownership and algorithm control. Delve into what a U.S. CEO would really do in this landscape. Explore innovative tech with Meta's AR glasses and the challenges of anthropomorphism in AI. Discover a new etiquette school aimed at refining founders' social skills. Plus, a look at the market's mid-cap IPO momentum and the case for exclusive, hyper-local print editions. It's a thought-provoking mix of tech, finance, and social dynamics!

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Sep 12, 2025 • 53min
#116 iPhone Air or Pro? Apple Ignores AI and Wins?
The discussion kicks off with a humorous take on the new iPhone models, diving into tech advancements and design choices. The hosts debate Apple's strategy of ignoring AI hype, while criticizing trend-chasing startups. They explore the evolving landscape of investing, highlighting how transparency and genuine data are becoming crucial. Memes and modern parenting take center stage too, revealing their impact on communication. The concept of 'mimetic warfare' is dissected, showing how social media influences creativity and public perception.

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Sep 5, 2025 • 57min
#115 Anthropic at $170B: Should Unicorns Be Forced to IPO?
This week, the hosts tackle Google’s unexpected antitrust win and the frenzy of AI mergers and acquisitions. They debate if unicorns should be forced to go public and reveal why lawyers are now raking in more cash than bankers. The conversation shifts to the nuanced relationship between creators and algorithms and the rising popularity of Ozempic for weight management. A quirky idea surfaces: an AI petty-lawsuit bot that could disrupt legal markets, underscoring the bold potential of tech in today’s economy.

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Aug 29, 2025 • 1h 10min
#114 Seed Rounds at $2B? The Dangers of AI Hype in VC With Tony Conrad
In a compelling discussion, venture capitalist Tony Conrad from True Ventures shares insights from decades in the Valley. He highlights the dangers of AI hype and the importance of emotional intelligence in investing. Tony addresses the decline of traditional social media, emphasizing authenticity in communication. He also explores new frontiers in space tech and cautions against overfunding driven by trendiness. Personal anecdotes and cultural reflections add a relatable touch, making this conversation both informative and engaging.

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Aug 22, 2025 • 1h 5min
#113 GPT-5 Disappoints: The End of the AI Gold Rush?
The discussion dives into the changing narrative around AI, with concerns over GPT-5's shortcomings and the reality of LLM business models. Hype cycles and authenticity in startup pitches take center stage, raising ethical questions. They also explore whether Burning Man has lost its creative essence and how Taylor Swift exemplifies brand-building in the digital era. The pitfalls of meme coins and crowdfunding in the creator economy add to the lively debate. Get ready for insider insights on Silicon Valley's evolving landscape!

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Aug 15, 2025 • 48min
#112 Swift Should Buy Chrome, Not Perplexity
This week, playful speculation swirls around Taylor Swift potentially buying Chrome to amplify her music's online presence. The team dissects the AI hype cycle and the peculiarities of San Francisco's tech scene. Humor intertwines with insights on meme capitalism, the absurdities of on-demand protests, and the dubious valuations of tech companies like Perplexity. The discussion also tackles viral conspiracy AIs and light-hearted predictions about audience engagement in today’s digital landscape.

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Aug 8, 2025 • 53min
#111 Figma, OpenAI, Canva: the Rise of Meme Stock IPOs in Silicon Valley
The podcast dives into an exciting summer of venture capital, highlighting Figma’s IPO and questioning Wall Street's methods. It explores the evolving entertainment landscape with a nod to Dude Perfect, while also reviewing AI's disruption in investing. Challenging truths about founder dynamics, including age and emotional readiness, make for thought-provoking discussions. The mix of humor and seriousness sheds light on Silicon Valley's anxious yet exuberant atmosphere, revealing the complex interplay of innovation and investment in today's tech world.

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Aug 1, 2025 • 52min
#110 Meta's Billion-Dollar Hires: Bubble or Genius?
Venture capitalists get roasted as the least sophisticated financiers in a rapidly evolving market. The podcast dives into the ramifications of outrage marketing and how meme culture is shaping brand visibility. A fascinating discussion unfolds about billion-dollar paydays in the AI sector and the ongoing debate about talent retention amidst these staggering salaries. Additionally, the hosts humorously reflect on the challenges of modern communication and the whimsical world of robotics, questioning the sustainability of such financial trends.

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Jul 25, 2025 • 57min
#109 OpenAI vs Google: The Real Business Model War Begins
This discussion explores the need for genuine enjoyment in the startup scene. The hosts dive into the playful side of AI, revealing how humor and creativity can enhance tech interactions. They analyze the competitive clash between Google and OpenAI, examining the future of AI investment dynamics. Insights on Apple’s unique stance amidst the AI hype are shared, along with thoughts on the emotional landscape of tech investments. The conversation wraps up with a humorous take on societal behaviors influenced by pop culture.