
Rattle & Pedal: B2B Marketing Podcast
Jason Mlicki, agency leader, and Jeff McKay, former global CMO, discuss growth, marketing, and life in professional services in this weekly podcast. The duo offers divergent thoughts on solving the issues practice leaders and marketers confront—or probably should—including stupid sh*t Marketing should NOT do, how Marketing ruins everything, the BS of professional services, and unleashing your Young Turks. Executive guests and industry experts join frequently to share their insights and experiences. It’s all served up with humor and a refreshing dose of reality from two guys who know how to grow firms.
Latest episodes

Oct 11, 2024 • 54min
Segmentation: The Marketing Foundation Firms Seldom Get Right
It’s the essence of strategy and the basis of everything—culture, hiring, IP, marketing, sales and client service—Segmentation. Most firms get it wrong. Here’s how to get it right.
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Sep 27, 2024 • 53min
The Antidote to Crappy Buyer Personas with Jim Kraus
Most buyer personas are little more than fictional avatars. Jim Kraus, President of the Buyer Persona Institute, shows us how to develop a persona that helps you truly understand the buyer and buying process you’re hoping to affect.
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Sep 13, 2024 • 1h 1min
Who Should Be Your Firm’s Thought Leaders?
Picking the right “faces” for your firm is critical to the success of your growth strategy. Jeff and Jason discuss the characteristics of the best thought leaders.
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Aug 30, 2024 • 48min
Fortitude: The Key to Sustained Marketing Success
In many firms, Marketing fails because leadership prematurely gives up on its strategy. In this episode, Jeff and Jason break down why firms quit too soon and how to cultivate the virtue of fortitude to drive long-term success.
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Aug 9, 2024 • 52min
Intellectual Capital: How to Make an Idea Truly Transformative with Art Zards
Jason and Jeff welcome expert speaking advisor, Art Zards, to explain why some ideas break through and transform the world around us. And, why others die before the applause even ends.
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Jul 12, 2024 • 44min
Bi-centennial: A Look Back at the Hits, “Near Misses” and Lessons Learned from 200 Episodes
Jeff and Jason look back at the “killer” insights, occasional misteps, and the most important things they’ve learned from 5 years of podcasting.
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Jun 28, 2024 • 48min
Referral Genealogy and Developing the Proper Referral Mindset with Brian Caffarelli
Brian shares how to think about referrals, trace the genealogy of our best referral partners, and balance the critical push/pull of both giving and asking for them.
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Jun 7, 2024 • 44min
Using Online Reviews to Drive Referrals with Katie Hollar of Clutch
Katie shares the methodology that online marketplaces like Clutch use to publish client reviews and suggests how firms can leverage them to drive a “flywheel through referrals.”
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May 24, 2024 • 45min
Referrals: When and How to Ask for Them
If you want to actively pursue a referral strategy, when should you ask? And what should you say? Jeff and Jason dive into the mechanics of asking for referrals.
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May 10, 2024 • 51min
Referrals. What Are They? How to Position Yourself to Get More of Them.
“Do good work and good things follow.” It’s the typical referral strategy of most firms. But it’s woefully incomplete. Jeff and Jason dig deep into what a referral is and how to earn more of them.
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