

Carry the Two
IMSI
Carry the Two pulls back the curtain to reveal the mathematical and statistical gears that turn the world. We’re the show for people who enjoy discovering hidden elements that impact our lives in the most unexpected ways, and math is certainly one of those!
We are a curiosity-driven podcast that looks to find unique perspectives from the fields of mathematics and statistics.
We use stories to convey how mathematical research drives the world around us, with each episode tackling a different topic. This can be anything from modeling how bees in a swarm make group decisions to how we can use textual analysis to reveal surprising changes in policy documents.
You can also find Carry the Two on Apple Podcasts, Stitcher, Google Play, and Spotify.
Carry the Two is hosted by Sadie Witkowski and Ian Martin. Audio production by Tyler Damme. Music is from Blue Dot Sessions.
We are a curiosity-driven podcast that looks to find unique perspectives from the fields of mathematics and statistics.
We use stories to convey how mathematical research drives the world around us, with each episode tackling a different topic. This can be anything from modeling how bees in a swarm make group decisions to how we can use textual analysis to reveal surprising changes in policy documents.
You can also find Carry the Two on Apple Podcasts, Stitcher, Google Play, and Spotify.
Carry the Two is hosted by Sadie Witkowski and Ian Martin. Audio production by Tyler Damme. Music is from Blue Dot Sessions.
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Jan 23, 2025 • 25min
Thibaut Mastrolia on Auction Markets
Welcome to Carry the Two, the podcast about how math and statistics impact the world around us from the Institute for Mathematical and Statistical Innovation. While we’re in between our more in-depth seasons, we like to bring you something a little different in mini-season format. And for this mini season, we are going to highlight some of the amazing researchers who have presented at IMSI over the past year. Our first guest is Thibaut Mastrolia, an assistant professor at the Industrial Engineering and Operation Research Department at UC Berkeley Thibaut joined us at IMSI for a workshop on Decision Making and Uncertainty where he presented a talk titled Recent advances in auction markets design and regulation policies. Host Sam Hansen joined Thibaut for a talk about the research in this talk and how Thibaut’s time at IMSI has helped move it forward.
Find our transcript here: Google Doc or .txt file
Curious to learn more? Check out these additional links:
Thibaut Mastrolia
IMSI Talk: Recent advances in auction markets design and regulation policies
Follow more of IMSI’s work: www.IMSI.institute, (twitter) @IMSI_institute, (mastodon) https://sciencemastodon.com/@IMSI, (instagram) IMSI.institute
Music by Blue Dot Sessions
The Institute for Mathematical and Statistical Innovation (IMSI) is funded by NSF grant DMS-1929348

Oct 31, 2024 • 44min
Mathematics & Polling
David Dutwin, Senior VP at NORC and Chief Scientist of AmeriSpeak, and Nathaniel Rakich, Senior Editor at FiveThirtyEight, dive into the intricate world of polling and surveys. They discuss the nuances of survey design, the challenges of measuring public opinion, and how polling impacts democracy. The pair highlights the importance of accuracy in data collection and the evolving methodologies that aim to enhance polling reliability. They also tackle the complexities of interpreting polling averages and the significance of exit polls in understanding electoral outcomes.

Oct 23, 2024 • 33min
Political Numbers & Statistics
Professor Sir David Spiegelhalter, an expert in statistics and risk communication, dives into the vital role of trustworthy data in politics. He discusses the impact of white hat bias on evidence interpretation and highlights the UK's efforts in maintaining statistical integrity through the Office for Statistics Regulation. The conversation covers the misuse of statistics in campaigns and how emotions shape our understanding of numbers. David also shares a manifesto for communicating political statistics effectively, urging clarity and accountability in data presentation.

Oct 17, 2024 • 36min
Mathematics & Political Geography
Ranthony Clark, an NSF postdoctoral fellow at Duke University focused on mathematics and social justice, discusses her work identifying communities of interest in Ohio’s redistricting. Jiajie Luo, a recent UCLA PhD graduate, dives into how topological data analysis uncovers polling site coverage gaps in urban areas. The conversation highlights innovative approaches to fair representation and the importance of community engagement, revealing how mathematics can drive democratic accessibility.

Oct 9, 2024 • 30min
Mathematics & Political Coalitions
Join Andrea Mock, a data scientist at Aura, Gunnar Carlsson, a former Stanford professor, Samin Aref, a university assistant professor, and Zachary Neal, a psychology professor as they explore the intersection of mathematics and political coalitions. They discuss how simplicial complexes can model coalition stability, the nuances of cluster analysis in the U.S. House, and uncover hidden coalitions through bill co-sponsorship data. Their fascinating insights reveal the complex dynamics driving political alliances amidst the current election landscape.

Oct 2, 2024 • 34min
Mathematics & Representation
Ismar Volić, a mathematics professor and director of the Institute for Mathematics and Democracy, teams up with Theodore R. Johnson, a scholar of Black electoral politics and Washington Post columnist. They delve into how math shapes apportionment in the U.S. Congress and the historical rivalry between Jefferson and Hamilton over rounding methods. The duo discusses the flaws of the Electoral College, potential reforms for fairer voting, and how statistical techniques could enhance democratic representation. Brace for a blend of humor, history, and enlightening insights!

Sep 25, 2024 • 53min
Mathematics and Voting
Ismar Volić, a mathematics professor and director at the Institute for Mathematics and Democracy, along with economics PhD student Victoria Mooers, dive into how math influences voting. They dissect the flaws of the current plurality voting system and propose preference ranking methods to reduce polarization. The conversation also touches on Liquid Democracy and the complications that arise from too much delegation in voting processes. Listen in as they illuminate the vital relationship between mathematics and effective democracy.

Sep 19, 2023 • 6min
Carry the Two Farewell (for now)
Find our transcript here: LINK
Follow more of IMSI’s work: www.IMSI.institute, (twitter) @IMSI_institute, (mastodon) https://sciencemastodon.com/@IMSI, (instagram) IMSI.institute
Follow Sadie Witkowski: https://www.sadiewit.com/, @SadieWit
This episode was audio engineered by Tyler Damme.
Music by Blue Dot Sessions.
The Institute for Mathematical and Statistical Innovation (IMSI) is funded by NSF grant DMS-1929348.

Sep 5, 2023 • 40min
Caitlin Parrish and Allyson Ettinger on AI & the WGA Strike
In this classic episode, we explore how GPT-3, a free online natural language processing artificial intelligence by Open AI, does and doesn’t work. Make sure to stick around until the end for an update on how AI is a core demand between the Writers Guild of America and the Alliance of Motion Picture and Television Producers.
GPT-3 takes advantage of a whole new method of artificial intelligence research, called neural nets, to create plays, write code, and even roleplay as a historical figure. But what are the limitations to this kind of AI? University of Chicago professor Allyson Ettinger walks us through how GPT-3 manages to sound so human and where and how it fails in interesting ways.
Find our transcript here: LINK
Curious to learn more? Check out these additional links:
When GPT-3 accidentally lies: https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/11/18/1063487/meta-large-language-model-ai-only-survived-three-days-gpt-3-science/
Microsoft’s chatbot that went racist: https://www.theverge.com/2016/3/24/11297050/tay-microsoft-chatbot-racist
Is GPT-3 a replacement or tool for journalists: https://contently.net/2022/12/15/trends/chatgpt/
Entertainment Community Fund: https://entertainmentcommunity.org/
Science and Entertainment Exchange: http://scienceandentertainmentexchange.org/
AO3 and data scraping: https://www.transformativeworks.org/ai-and-data-scraping-on-the-archive/
Follow more of IMSI’s work: www.IMSI.institute, (twitter) @IMSI_institute, (mastodon) https://sciencemastodon.com/@IMSI, (instagram) IMSI.institute
Follow Caitlin Parrish: @caitcrime
Follow Allyson Ettinger: https://allenai.org/team, @AllysonEttinger
This episode was audio engineered by Tyler Damme.
Music by Blue Dot Sessions.
The Institute for Mathematical and Statistical Innovation (IMSI) is funded by NSF grant DMS-1929348.

Aug 22, 2023 • 30min
Jamie Barty on Visual Effects in Television
Were you impressed by the underwater scenes in Avatar 2? Have you spent hours trying to figure out how they built the ice wall in Game of Thrones? Everything from big effects like these to smaller hidden visual effects like creating a skyline for an indoor set fall under the purview of visual effects. In this episode of Carry the Two, we get a behind-the-scenes tour of how Fuse FX effects supervisor Jamie Barty from I’m a Virgo leads a team to achieve these effects - and the copious amounts of mathematics that come into play!
Find our transcript here: LINK
Curious to learn more? Check out these additional links:
Fuse FX: https://fusefx.com/
Course on the mathematics behind visual effects: https://www.fxphd.com/details/215/
I’m a Virgo: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt13649510/
Entertainment Community Fund: https://entertainmentcommunity.org/
Science and Entertainment Exchange: http://scienceandentertainmentexchange.org/
Follow more of IMSI’s work: www.IMSI.institute, (twitter) @IMSI_institute, (mastodon) https://sciencemastodon.com/@IMSI, (instagram) IMSI.institute
Follow Jamie Barty: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm4495160/
This episode was audio engineered by Tyler Damme.
Music by Blue Dot Sessions.
The Institute for Mathematical and Statistical Innovation (IMSI) is funded by NSF grant DMS-1929348.