

Carry the Two
IMSI
Carry the Two pulls back the curtain to reveal the mathematical and statistical gears that turn the world. We’re the show for people who enjoy discovering hidden elements that impact our lives in the most unexpected ways, and math is certainly one of those!
We are a curiosity-driven podcast that looks to find unique perspectives from the fields of mathematics and statistics.
We use stories to convey how mathematical research drives the world around us, with each episode tackling a different topic. This can be anything from modeling how bees in a swarm make group decisions to how we can use textual analysis to reveal surprising changes in policy documents.
You can also find Carry the Two on Apple Podcasts, Stitcher, Google Play, and Spotify.
Carry the Two is hosted by Sadie Witkowski and Ian Martin. Audio production by Tyler Damme. Music is from Blue Dot Sessions.
We are a curiosity-driven podcast that looks to find unique perspectives from the fields of mathematics and statistics.
We use stories to convey how mathematical research drives the world around us, with each episode tackling a different topic. This can be anything from modeling how bees in a swarm make group decisions to how we can use textual analysis to reveal surprising changes in policy documents.
You can also find Carry the Two on Apple Podcasts, Stitcher, Google Play, and Spotify.
Carry the Two is hosted by Sadie Witkowski and Ian Martin. Audio production by Tyler Damme. Music is from Blue Dot Sessions.
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Oct 17, 2024 • 36min
Mathematics & Political Geography
Ranthony Clark, an NSF postdoctoral fellow at Duke University focused on mathematics and social justice, discusses her work identifying communities of interest in Ohio’s redistricting. Jiajie Luo, a recent UCLA PhD graduate, dives into how topological data analysis uncovers polling site coverage gaps in urban areas. The conversation highlights innovative approaches to fair representation and the importance of community engagement, revealing how mathematics can drive democratic accessibility.

Oct 9, 2024 • 30min
Mathematics & Political Coalitions
Join Andrea Mock, a data scientist at Aura, Gunnar Carlsson, a former Stanford professor, Samin Aref, a university assistant professor, and Zachary Neal, a psychology professor as they explore the intersection of mathematics and political coalitions. They discuss how simplicial complexes can model coalition stability, the nuances of cluster analysis in the U.S. House, and uncover hidden coalitions through bill co-sponsorship data. Their fascinating insights reveal the complex dynamics driving political alliances amidst the current election landscape.

Oct 2, 2024 • 34min
Mathematics & Representation
Ismar Volić, a mathematics professor and director of the Institute for Mathematics and Democracy, teams up with Theodore R. Johnson, a scholar of Black electoral politics and Washington Post columnist. They delve into how math shapes apportionment in the U.S. Congress and the historical rivalry between Jefferson and Hamilton over rounding methods. The duo discusses the flaws of the Electoral College, potential reforms for fairer voting, and how statistical techniques could enhance democratic representation. Brace for a blend of humor, history, and enlightening insights!

Sep 25, 2024 • 53min
Mathematics and Voting
Ismar Volić, a mathematics professor and director at the Institute for Mathematics and Democracy, along with economics PhD student Victoria Mooers, dive into how math influences voting. They dissect the flaws of the current plurality voting system and propose preference ranking methods to reduce polarization. The conversation also touches on Liquid Democracy and the complications that arise from too much delegation in voting processes. Listen in as they illuminate the vital relationship between mathematics and effective democracy.

Sep 19, 2023 • 6min
Carry the Two Farewell (for now)
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This episode was audio engineered by Tyler Damme.
Music by Blue Dot Sessions.
The Institute for Mathematical and Statistical Innovation (IMSI) is funded by NSF grant DMS-1929348.

Sep 5, 2023 • 40min
Caitlin Parrish and Allyson Ettinger on AI & the WGA Strike
In this classic episode, we explore how GPT-3, a free online natural language processing artificial intelligence by Open AI, does and doesn’t work. Make sure to stick around until the end for an update on how AI is a core demand between the Writers Guild of America and the Alliance of Motion Picture and Television Producers.
GPT-3 takes advantage of a whole new method of artificial intelligence research, called neural nets, to create plays, write code, and even roleplay as a historical figure. But what are the limitations to this kind of AI? University of Chicago professor Allyson Ettinger walks us through how GPT-3 manages to sound so human and where and how it fails in interesting ways.
Find our transcript here: LINK
Curious to learn more? Check out these additional links:
When GPT-3 accidentally lies: https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/11/18/1063487/meta-large-language-model-ai-only-survived-three-days-gpt-3-science/
Microsoft’s chatbot that went racist: https://www.theverge.com/2016/3/24/11297050/tay-microsoft-chatbot-racist
Is GPT-3 a replacement or tool for journalists: https://contently.net/2022/12/15/trends/chatgpt/
Entertainment Community Fund: https://entertainmentcommunity.org/
Science and Entertainment Exchange: http://scienceandentertainmentexchange.org/
AO3 and data scraping: https://www.transformativeworks.org/ai-and-data-scraping-on-the-archive/
Follow more of IMSI’s work: www.IMSI.institute, (twitter) @IMSI_institute, (mastodon) https://sciencemastodon.com/@IMSI, (instagram) IMSI.institute
Follow Caitlin Parrish: @caitcrime
Follow Allyson Ettinger: https://allenai.org/team, @AllysonEttinger
This episode was audio engineered by Tyler Damme.
Music by Blue Dot Sessions.
The Institute for Mathematical and Statistical Innovation (IMSI) is funded by NSF grant DMS-1929348.

Aug 22, 2023 • 30min
Jamie Barty on Visual Effects in Television
Were you impressed by the underwater scenes in Avatar 2? Have you spent hours trying to figure out how they built the ice wall in Game of Thrones? Everything from big effects like these to smaller hidden visual effects like creating a skyline for an indoor set fall under the purview of visual effects. In this episode of Carry the Two, we get a behind-the-scenes tour of how Fuse FX effects supervisor Jamie Barty from I’m a Virgo leads a team to achieve these effects - and the copious amounts of mathematics that come into play!
Find our transcript here: LINK
Curious to learn more? Check out these additional links:
Fuse FX: https://fusefx.com/
Course on the mathematics behind visual effects: https://www.fxphd.com/details/215/
I’m a Virgo: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt13649510/
Entertainment Community Fund: https://entertainmentcommunity.org/
Science and Entertainment Exchange: http://scienceandentertainmentexchange.org/
Follow more of IMSI’s work: www.IMSI.institute, (twitter) @IMSI_institute, (mastodon) https://sciencemastodon.com/@IMSI, (instagram) IMSI.institute
Follow Jamie Barty: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm4495160/
This episode was audio engineered by Tyler Damme.
Music by Blue Dot Sessions.
The Institute for Mathematical and Statistical Innovation (IMSI) is funded by NSF grant DMS-1929348.

Aug 8, 2023 • 18min
Tara Kerin on The Last of Us
Tara Kerin, a project scientist at UCLA specializing in epidemiology, dives into the science behind The Last of Us. She discusses the plausibility of a fungal apocalypse and how R0, a key statistic in disease spread, plays a vital role in both real-world pandemics like COVID-19 and fictional narratives. With humor, Tara breaks down complex epidemiological concepts and explores the intersection of math, science, and storytelling in media. Her insights reveal how entertainment can educate the public on health issues.

Jul 25, 2023 • 32min
Robert Rosner and Paul Wilson on Oppenheimer
Robert Rosner, a notable physicist from the University of Chicago, and Paul Wilson, a leading nuclear engineering professor at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, dive deep into the intricate history of nuclear fission. They discuss the groundbreaking work at Chicago Pile 1 and its pivotal role in the Manhattan Project. The conversation touches on the complexities of managing nuclear reactions, the moral dilemmas faced by scientists during the era, and interesting parallels between nuclear dynamics and pandemic management. Their insights illuminate the profound impact of nuclear research on both science and society.

Jul 11, 2023 • 25min
Kevin Grazier on Orbital Dynamics in Foundation
In this engaging conversation, Kevin Grazier—a planetary physicist and science advisor known for his work on Battlestar Galactica and Gravity—dives into the intersection of science and storytelling. He discusses how complex scientific concepts, especially orbital dynamics, are seamlessly woven into the narrative of the Foundation series. Grazier shares insights from his collaboration on projects like the Cassini mission, illustrating how real science can enhance cinematic experiences. He also emphasizes the importance of integrating math and statistics into engaging storytelling.