
The Contrarian Investor Podcast
The Contrarian Investor podcast gives voice to those who challenge a prevailing narrative in financial markets. Each episode features an interview with a hedge fund manager, investor, economist or other market participant. The goal is to educate all listeners with an interest in asset allocation and ultimately to provide actionable ideas to the institutional investor community.
Latest episodes

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Jul 2, 2024 • 51min
The 'Stoic Investment' Primer, With Darius Foroux
Author Darius Foroux discusses his stoic investment philosophy, emphasizing the 90/10 portfolio split. He shares insights on individual stock holdings like the Dutch Stripe and combating FOMO. The podcast explores stoicism's role in investing and the guest's journey post-financial crisis.

Jun 14, 2024 • 50min
US Economy Too Strong for Fed, Where to Invest Now: Leo Schmidt, River Eddy Capital
Leo Schmidt, founder of family office River Eddy Capital, rejoins the podcast to discuss his views on economy, markets, and where to invest capital in what may be a 'stagflation lite' environment. This podcast episode was recorded on Friday, June 7, 2024 and made available to premium subscribers the following Monday. Visit the Substack or Supercast for more information about premium subscriptions. Content Highlights "Labor markets are way too hot." There will be "no landing" (1:48); Non-farm payrolls came out much stronger than anticipated. What this says about the labor market (4:59); 'Stagflation lite' (8:31); Our views of credit creation are outdated. The shadow banking system has replaced commercial banks as the primary source of credit. What this means (11:59); The Federal Reserve probably needs to cut rates. Could they? Probably not -- this year (22:21); What does an investor do now? First up: Stocks that are AI/Nvidia (NVDA) plays. Celestica (CLS), Flex (FLEX), Sanmina (SANM), Jabil (JBL) (27:51); Pharma spin-outs: Haleon (HLN), Kenvue (KVUE), Organon (OGN), Viatris (VTRS) (31:54); Dollar stores, especially Dollar Tree (DLTR), are poised to outperform once there is an economic slowdown (39:07); The bullish case for pipeline companies (46:59).

Jun 4, 2024 • 44min
Stock Market Expectations Getting Ahead of Economic Realities: Bob Elliott, Unlimited
Bob Elliott of Unlimited rejoins the podcast to discuss his view that stock markets are pricing in a lot of optimism that may not be based on economic realities... This podcast episode was recorded on Tuesday, May 28, 2024 and made available to premium subscribers the following day. To become a premium subscriber, visit our Substack. Content Highlights Stock markets are pricing in a lot of optimism. Just how unrealistic is that? (1:19); What is there to indicate the economy could slow this year or even next? (4:34); A recession may be years away rather than months under current conditions. But conditions, as we know, can change quickly... (8:58); There is a precedence to interest rates going up dramatically without it causing an immediate and dramatic entrenchment in economic growth (11:52); Tech stocks might be overvalued but comparisons to the dot-com bubble are unfair and inaccurate -- and may preclude a spectacular bust (16:10); Today's economic expansion is income-driven. Not a result of credit expansion (18:13); What kinds of indicators should investors study to spot a slowdown in this particular type of economic activity? (30:45); Regional banks are for the most part fairly priced at present... (35:50). More Information on the Guest Website: UnlimitedFunds.com; Twitter: @BoBEUnlimited; YouTube: @BobEUnlimited.

May 13, 2024 • 27min
The Specter of Stagflation Still Looms: Ayesha Tariq
Ayesha Tariq, founder of Macro Visor, discusses the economy, stagflation concerns, and investment opportunities. Topics include the K-shaped economy impact, Fed Chair Powell's stance, China worries, India's growth story, and opportunities in the UK and India. Long-term concerns about US fiscal situation are also highlighted.

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Apr 24, 2024 • 1h 9min
Trend-Following Strategies for the New World Order: Doug Greenig, Florin Court Capital
Dr. Doug Greenig of Florin Court Capital discusses a multi-asset trend-following model, lower electricity prices in Europe, potential bearish outlook for US stocks, China's competition with the US, Iran's strategic drone attack, challenges with enforcing sanctions, and concerns about US fiscal problems.

Apr 5, 2024 • 50min
The Trend is Your Friend. Right Now It's Positive: Enrique Abeyta, HX Research
Financial analyst Enrique Abeyta discusses current bullish stock market trends, the possibility of a short-term pullback, and a rare level of clarity in the market outlook. He shares a contrarian view on commercial real estate concerns and highlights investment opportunities in regional banks like New York Community Bancorp. Additionally, he provides insights on tech stocks, including Nvidia, and emerging energy investments like Talon Energy Corporation.

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Mar 27, 2024 • 52min
Stock Income Will Be Key for the Next Stage of Financial Market History: Daniel Peris
This podcast was released for premium subscribers on March 20, 2024. For more information on premium subscriptions please visit our Substack. Financial market historian Daniel Peris joins the podcast to discuss his latest book, The Ownership Dividend, and why the next stage of the investing cycle will be marked by renewed focus on dividends and cash flows. Note: The host's mic was a little 'stuffy' for this episode but the guest comes in loud and clear! Content Highlights Cashflows have become ignored in the marketplace with investors accustomed to speculation over income. That is due to change (2:55); No, this isn't about value versus growth. Dividends and more notably buybacks are everywhere (5:22); Warren Buffett has long said that companies should reinvest in the business rather than pay out dividends. But Buffett is no longer a minority shareholder... (18:30) Background on the guest and unexpected detour into Russia/Ukraine (27:37); Views on different sectors of the stock market from a dividend perspective (36:33); What does the current era of dividend payouts say about the investing cycle? (42:40). More on the Guest Website: StrategicDividendInvestor.com; Twitter: @HistoryInvestor; Order the book.

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Mar 13, 2024 • 38min
Lessons From Financial History: Mark Higgins
Guest Mark Higgins discusses lessons from financial history, similarities between past and current market environments, challenges of decentralized currencies, complexities in investment portfolios, bubbles and market dynamics, and the evolution of public debt in the US.

Feb 21, 2024 • 40min
Time to Get Defensive, Avoid 'Magnificent 7' Tech Stocks: Ted Oakley, Oxbow Advisors
Ted Oakley from Oxbow Advisors shares insights on market highs, economic indicators, and why it's time to get defensive with portfolios. Avoiding 'Magnificent 7' tech stocks like Microsoft, Google, and Apple, while exploring defensive sectors. Reflecting on past markets and navigating current risks and opportunities in the market landscape.

Feb 1, 2024 • 45min
US Economic Outlook 'Surprisingly Optimistic': Scott Colbert, Commerce Trust Co.
Scott Colbert, chief economist at Commerce Trust Company in St. Louis, rejoins the podcast to discuss his "surprisingly optimistic" outlook for the US economy in 2024. This podcast episode was recorded Jan. 30, 2024, and was made available to premium subscribers that same day. Become a premium subscriber through our Substack or Supercast pages. Content Highlights The outlook for the economy is surprisingly optimistic given the set-up going in to last year (1:30); The Federal Reserve is unlikely to cut interest rates for some time (2:39); Can stocks continue to advance without rate cuts? The outlook for small caps and mid-caps... (6:35); The outlook for bonds: surprisingly constructive even if there aren't rate cuts right away (10:05); How the economy is breaking down geographically in the US... (17:01); Commercial real estate is 'the canary in the coal mine' but nowhere near as pervasive as subprime residential pre-2008... (24:36); The guest's take on the impact of this year's US presidential election (28:15); Top concerns start with deficit spending... (33:23); An economist's take on the AI revolution (39:28). More on the Guest Website: CommerceTrustCompany.com; Published insights from Commerce Trust Co.