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Thank you to the folks at Sustain for providing the hosting account for CHAOSSCast! CHAOSScast – Episode 72 In this episode, our host, Matt Germonprez, is joined by Dawn Foster from the CHAOSS Community, Sophia Vargas from Google, and Gary White from Verizon. Today, they dive into the crucial topic of assessing the viability of open source projects for adoption within organizations. The discussion covers the intricacies of evaluating project viability, the challenges of project failure, and the necessity of continuous assessments. The panelists provide valuable insights on mitigating risks, leveraging metrics, and the importance of active engagement within open source communities. This episode offers a wealth of knowledge and practical advice for navigating the world of open source software. Download this episode now to hear more! [00:02:13] The discussion begins on the importance of assessing the viability of open source projects for adoption within organizations. Gary emphasizes the need to formalize the assessment of open source project viability beyond just technical metrics, Sophia stresses the importance of rigor in evaluating open source tools due to the lower barrier to adoption, and Dawn points out the importance of context, where the viability assessment depends on how the project is used within the organization. [00:06:32] The conversation shifts to when an open source project fails or changes significantly within an organization. Dawn discusses the challenges and uncertainty companies face when an open source project becomes unusable due to license changes or discontinuation, Sophia highlights the complexities and burdens of change management when a project fails, and Gary mentions the negative impact on morale and the time-consuming nature of dealing with project failures. [00:10:55] Sophia discusses the challenges in communication between project leaders and end users, particularly when projects are consumed through third-party package managers. Gary highlights the challenge of getting project leaders and developers motivated to assess project viability and the need for data-driven metrics to facilitate communication between leadership and implementation teams. [00:13:09] Dawn stresses the importance of continuous assessments of open source project viability rather than treating it as a one-time task. [00:14:06] How do we assess if a project is good? Dawn discusses her historical approach to assessing open source projects, which included manual assessments. [00:16:31] Gary emphasizes the common practice of engineers making quick project choices without thorough assessments due to the ease of finding solutions online. [00:19:41] Sophia highlights the importance of considering how a project is used within the organization and the strategic implications of choosing open source projects, especially in large organizations. [00:21:50] Matt asks about monitoring and mitigating risks when using open source projects that may not be ideal from a viability perspective but are popular. Dawn acknowledges that project viability is not binary and can vary in terms of risk, suggesting that contributing to open source projects can mitigate risks. [00:22:56] Gary emphasizes the importance of becoming engaged and active members of open source communities to gain insight into project changes and mitigate potential risks. [00 24:15] Sophia highlights the role of metrics and monitoring in risk mitigation, mentioning that tracking certain information may not be easy but it is crucial. Dawn notes the lack of ongoing viability monitoring and suggests the need for more sophisticated approaches. [00:26:37] Gary agrees that monitoring is essential and mentions a metric called “lib year” to track the age of dependencies as an example of monitoring for open source projects, and he discusses the importance of automated recommendations within software scanning tools to help users make informed decisions about dependencies. [00:28:27] Sophia addresses the challenge of scale when dealing with many open source projects, emphasizing the need to adapt monitoring and risk mitigation approaches based on the organization’s portfolio size. Value Adds (Picks) of the week: [00:30:15] Matt’s pick is running in the dark on cool mornings. [00:30:33] Dawn’s pick is hanging out with people when she was at the Open Source Summit in Bilbao, Spain. [00:31:03] Sophia’s pick is joining an orchestra a few months ago. [00:31:41] Gary’s pick is having pumpkin spice back in his life. *Panelists: * Matt Germonprez Dawn Foster Sophia Vargas Gary White Links: CHAOSS CHAOSS Project Twitter CHAOSScast Podcast podcast@chaoss.community Ford Foundation Georg Link Twitter Matt Germonprez Twitter Dawn Foster Twitter Sophia Vargas Twitter Gary White LinkedIn libyear OSS Project Viability Metrics Models: OSS Project Viability: Community OSS Project Viability: Compliance + Security OSS Project Viability: Governance OSS Project Viability: Strategy Special Guest: Gary White.Support CHAOSScast

The CHAOSScast team discusses the relaunch of the podcast and focuses on the development of metrics and metric models in the Chaos Project. They highlight the importance of understanding context, consolidating metrics, and categorizing them for accessibility. The podcast also covers the evolution of Auger and updates in Grimoir Lab, data management and enrichment in CHAOSS, community growth and initiatives, and moments of joy.

Hello and welcome to CHAOSScast Community podcast, where we share use cases and experiences with measuring open source community health. Elevating conversations about metrics, analytics, and software from the Community Health Analytics Open Source Software, or short CHAOSS Project, to wherever you like to listen. Venia and Lori are hosting a special revisit episode with special guest, Chris Mercer, Co-Founder of Measurement Marketing.io. Today, we’ll find out what Measurement Marketing does, where we were with measurement when Chris was on last, and how things have changed throughout the years. He goes in depth about the new Measurement Marketing Framework, the ACE model, and he shares his thoughts on Google Analytics 4 and why he thinks now is the time to get into it. Download this episode now to find out much more, and don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast on your favorite podcast app and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues! [00:02:22] Chris tells us his background and what Measurement Marketing does. [00:03:47] When Chris was on this podcast previously there was this notion of measuring frameworks and measuring a system, Chris details where we were originally with measurement and how things have changed. [00:05:17] We hear about the new Measurement Marketing Framework and the three simple steps: Plan it out, build it out, and launch it. [00:09:39] Chris lets us know what has stayed the same in his business. [00:10:57] We find out how Chris applies the measurements to open source as a customer journey, and he explains the ACE model that they teach. [00:14:36] Venia wonders if Chris is finding that Google Analytics 4 moving more in line with that synchronicity of measuring behaviors as they happen and as people use the system, and where does he see Google Analytics fitting into this new way of measure. [00:19:52] Chris shares his thoughts on whether he thinks that Google Analytics 4 is going to move more into a community operations role in any way. [00:21:22] Lori asks Chris for tips on some struggles she has as a Community Manager with how to relate data to someone in a CEO or OPS position in their language versus speaking community speak. [00:32:03] Find out how measurement is changing as Chris explains. [00:36:03] Venia wonders how Chris imagines community and this new notion of a measurement department meshing and working together. Value Adds (Picks) of the week: [00:38:40] Chris’s pick is to start by learning strategy first. [00:40:35] Venia’s pick is taking a step back from the day-to-day things and adding to her calendar about four hours, twice a week, to do whatever she wants. **Panelists: Venia Logan Lori Goldman Guest: Chris Mercer Sponsor: SustainOSS Links: CHAOSS CHAOSS Project Twitter CHAOSScast Podcast podcast@chaoss.community Ford Foundation Georg Link Twitter Venia Logan Twitter Lori Goldman LinkedIn Chris Mercer Twitter Measurement Marketing CHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 14: The Theory and Future of Measurement with Chris Mercer Measure Summit Special Guests: Chris Mercer and Lori Goldman.Support CHAOSScast

Hello and welcome to CHAOSScast Community podcast, where we share use cases and experiences with measuring open source community health. Elevating conversations about metrics, analytics, and software from the Community Health Analytics Open Source Software, or short CHAOSS Project, to wherever you like to listen. Welcome back to Part Two to a conversation we had with our amazing guest, Hedan Zeng, who’s the Director of Product Management at Common Room. In Part One, we spoke to Hedan about the development of Common Room, the history of Hedan’s personal journey in community, and what Common Room’s real philosophies around community health have been. Today, we brought her back so we can talk more about our metrics. Download this episode now to find out much more, and don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast on your favorite podcast app and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues! [00:03:22] Hedan does a quick recap of what Common Room the platform does. [00:04:19] In the last episode, Hedan mentioned area they look at the health of the community, and one of them was around engagement and metrics around engagement, and she tells us things she has found valuable for her customers to look at. [00:10:24] Venia brings up grapevine or unstructured community spaces, and she wonders how Hedan tackles these different sentiment developments in the actual metrics path and data flow for her system. [00:12:48] Sophia wants to know if there are different ways that Hedan addresses the same kind of questions in terms of guiding her customers and understanding the nuances between platform sources and sentiments. [00:14:52] We find out how Common Room addresses the nuance between these personas that while they might have some overlap, tend to have different orientations. [00:16:47] Does Hedan think that there’s some explicit differences between how Common Room would tackle to completely different community avatars? [00:19:07] Hedan tells us about some specific metrics to understand the different pieces that she’s been seeing. [00:21:41] Venia brings up community interaction and Hedan talks more about how she’s generating that 3X engagement factor. [00:23:38] Sophia wonders if Common Room can identify whether or not folks are at risk of burnouts, and Hedan tells us about how Common Room does a surface sentiment at a member level. [00:28:38] We find out how Hedan’s user experience makes decisions about the metrics and the way she visualizes this data in her platform. [00:32:22] We learn the process Common Room makes the users who are interacting and visualizing the data they go through. [00:35:10] Looking at the membership statistics around various different platforms, Sophia wonders if this could be an effective way to gauge an open source project’s usage and then knowing that, we find out if it’s enough or if anything is missing to make a better assessment of the overall user community size. [00:36:47] Find out where you can follow Hedan and Common Room online. Value Adds (Picks) of the week: [00:38:00] Hedan’s pick is being excited for football season and fantasy football season to commence. [00:38:34] Sophia’s pick is to remember to breathe, take breaks, and do puzzles. [00:39:44] Venia’s pick is Richard Millington and a webinar he did called, The Gold Standard of Community Data. Panelists: Venia Logan Georg Link Sophia Vargas Guest: Hedan Zeng Sponsor: SustainOSS Links: CHAOSS CHAOSS Project Twitter CHAOSScast Podcast podcast@chaoss.community Ford Foundation Georg Link Twitter Venia Logan Twitter Sophia Vargas Twitter Hedan Zeng Twitter Hedan Zeng LinkedIn Common Room Common Room Community Richard Millington Twitter The Gold Standard of Community Data with Richard Millington (vimeo) Special Guest: Hedan Zeng.Support CHAOSScast

Hello and welcome to CHAOSScast Community podcast, where we share use cases and experiences with measuring open source community health. Elevating conversations about metrics, analytics, and software from the Community Health Analytics Open Source Software, or short CHAOSS Project, to wherever you like to listen. We are super excited to have joining us as our guest, Hedan Zeng, Director of Product Management at Common Room, the intelligent community growth platform for today’s fastest-growing companies. Today, we’ll learn all about Common Room and how they think about metrics. We’ll also find out about the metrics they use, and Common Room’s theory and approach to design, from data to user interface. Download this episode now to find out much more, and don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast on your favorite podcast app and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues! [00:01:38] Hedan tells us all about Common Room. [00:04:11] Hedan dives into how they think about metrics at the Common Room, and she explains each of the metrics they use such as membership, community responsiveness, and sentiment. [00:08:26] We find out what Hedan’s role is at Common Room and the steps that led her to forming where she is today, which includes her experience working at Medallia. [00:15:02] Sophia wonders if Hedan is seeing any behaviors that surprised her or she wasn’t expecting to see from the application of the software. [00:20:32] Find out if Common Room have words that they’ve put to that different philosophy of measurement. [00:23:12] We learn about the process Hedan has for identifying which of these different usernames on different platforms actually belong to the same person. [00:26:03] Hedan explains how she navigates the difference between I need to present in my community and engage in the social contract of listening to people versus this is a thing I could automate and build a workflow for this. [00:28:42] We hear how Hedan is helping customers navigate through varying privacy/data sharing policies, and she shares advice for open source projects and communities. [00:31:45] Find out where you can follow Hedan online. Value Adds (Picks) of the week: [00:32:27] Georg’s pick is being amazed with the after school programs. [00:33:32] Venia’s pick is the power of reframing live events for good connection. [00:35:36] Hedan’s pick is Beat Saber. [00:36:21] Sophia’s pick is a packable sun hat. Panelists: Venia Logan Georg Link Sophia Vargas Guest: Hedan Zeng Sponsor: SustainOSS Links: CHAOSS CHAOSS Project Twitter CHAOSScast Podcast podcast@chaoss.community Ford Foundation Georg Link Twitter Venia Logan Twitter Sophia Vargas Twitter Hedan Zeng Twitter Hedan Zeng LinkedIn Common Room Common Room Community Medallia Adam Grant Website CHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 30: Databases, Privacy, and Licenses with Matt Yonkovit CHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 42: Hidden Infrastructure: The Foundations of Open Source with Josh Simmons CHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 45: Fireside Chat: Metrics Strategy with Daniel, Sean, and Venia CHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 57: The Ins and Outs of Large Scale Research with Hilary Carter Beat Saber Baggu Hat Special Guest: Hedan Zeng.Support CHAOSScast

Hello and welcome to CHAOSScast Community podcast, where we share use cases and experiences with measuring open source community health. Elevating conversations about metrics, analytics, and software from the Community Health Analytics Open Source Software, or short CHAOSS Project, to wherever you like to listen. Today, we are excited to be joined by two guests, Iyimide Adegunloye (Mide) and Precious Abubakar, who participated in the She Code Africa Program. We invited them to talk about the program and share what they’ve done, as well as discussing bots and the welcoming of newcomers. Download this episode now to find out much more, and don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast on your favorite podcast app and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues! [00:02:55] Mide and Precious give us a brief introduction about themselves. [00:04:20] We find out the details on the She Code Africa Program, their experience with getting into She Code Africa, how they found CHAOSS, and how they decided to engage with the CHAOSS Project. [00:08:54] We learn how the idea of the bot came about and the design process. [00:13:26] There’s a discussion about the kinds of challenges they faced in creating the bot and what they learned in the process. [00:16:34] Georg wonders how the response has been in the community since the bot was implemented. [00:19:14] Mide explains more about the use of the bot at She Code Africa. [00:20:22] Precious and Ruth fill us in where they think the project will go next and share some ideas for the future. [00:21:50] If you would like to get involved, find out where you can connect to get started. [00:23:34] Mide and Precious share how the mentorship helped them understand CHAOSS. We also hear from the mentors what they’ve learned in this program or if they’ve learned to appreciate CHAOSS in a different way. Value Adds (Picks) of the week: [00:28:44] Georg’s pick is learning sometimes an upgrade saves you money. [00:30:22] Ruth’s pick is her Personal Assistant, Olamide Makinde. [00:30:54] Elizabeth’s pick is a northern walkingstick insect. [00:32:15] Precious’s pick is Rotary Youth Leadership Awards (RYLA). [00:33:07] Mide’s pick is leading a children’s and adult coding bootcamp. [00:34:00] Matt’s pick is enjoying his first month living in Oregon. [00:34:34] Sean’s pick is to try to get to Wisconsin in the Fall. Panelists: Georg Link Elizabeth Barron Sean Goggins Matt Cantu Snell Ruth Ikegah Guests: Precious Abubakar Iyimide Adegunloye Sponsor: SustainOSS Links: CHAOSS CHAOSS Project Twitter CHAOSScast Podcast podcast@chaoss.community Ford Foundation Georg Link Twitter Sean Goggins Twitter Elizabeth Barron Twitter Matt Cantu Snell LinkedIn Ruth Ikegah Twitter Precious Abubakar Twitter Precious Abubakar LinkedIn Precious Abubakar Website Iyimide Adegunloye Twitter Iyimide Adegunloye LinkedIn Iyimide Adegunloye Website She Code Africa She Code Africa Contributhon CHAOSS Slack Bot-GitHub Common walkingstick Rotary Youth Leadership Awards (RYLA) Special Guests: Iyimide Adegunloye (Mide) and Precious Abubakar.Support CHAOSScast

Hello and welcome to CHAOSScast Community podcast, where we share use cases and experiences with measuring open source community health. Elevating conversations about metrics, analytics, and software from the Community Health Analytics Open Source Software, or short CHAOSS Project, to wherever you like to listen. Today, we are joined by two wonderful guests that Venia met during an amazing talk at the Community Spaces. We have Victoria Cumberbatch, Founder of adventuresOFcommunity, a Community Development Consultancy, and Bri Leever, a Community Architect and Founder of Ember. Our conversations take us through finding out how everyone got their start in community, and what numbers mean for our brands and what they’ll mean for open source health. Also, we’ll find out about Bri’s learning journey, and more about the metrics Bri and Viki are using and the kinds of stories they’re telling with them. Download this episode now to find out much more, and don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast on your favorite podcast app and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues! [00:02:33] Bri, Lori, and Viki fill us in on how they got started in community and where their love of community came from. [00:09:15] Georg shares his story of how he got his start in community. [00:12:57] There’s a great discussion about what numbers really mean for our brands and what they’ll mean for open source health afterward. [00:16:45] Venia brings up a story about Morning Brew talking about the progression of their community, and Bri tells us about a community she’s managing for the company Piktochart and how they manage their metrics and interesting things they do with her. [00:20:29] Bri mentioned the learning journey, and she explains what she considers the learning journey, the kinds of stories she finds herself telling, and the metrics she’s weaving in with the learning journeys. [00:24:04] Venia talks about Chris Mercer and one of his main statements is no one is a numbers person, and Bri adds be saying, the power is in the pattern, and she tells us about a book called, Think Again: The Power of Knowing What You Don’t Know by Adam Grant. [00:25:56] We hear what kind of metrics Viki uses, the kinds of stories she’s telling with them, and using the Cultural Adjustment Graph. Bri and Lori share some thoughts as well. [00:32:30] Lori explains some of the behaviors she was speaking about. [00:34:40] Venia asks everyone how they would systemize and turn that story into something that people can query on a weekly basis whenever they need. Bri tells us about a community platform called, Heartbeat. [00:41:41] Georg highlights CHAOSS software. [00:42:41] Find out where you can follow Viki and Bri online. Value Adds (Picks) of the week: [00:43:44] Georg’s pick is the WordPress community. [00:44:44] Bri’s pick is having availability in her life to make friends in all areas. [00:45:39] Venia’s pick is the importance of farming and shovel environments. [00:46:41] Lori’s pick is being grateful that she’s around people who are really lit up by what they’re doing and sharing really neat things that they’re doing. [00:47:37] Viki’s pick is finding a meetup group and playing volleyball with them. Panelists: Venia Logan Georg Link Lori Goldman Guests: Victoria Cumberbatch Bri Leever Sponsor: SustainOSS Links: CHAOSS CHAOSS Project Twitter CHAOSScast Podcast podcast@chaoss.community Ford Foundation Georg Link Twitter Georg Link LinkedIn Venia Logan Twitter Samantha “Venia” Logan LinkedIn Lori Goldman LinkedIn Bri Leever Twitter Bri Leever LinkedIn Ember LinkedIn Ember Consulting Victoria Cumberbatch LinkedIn adventuresOFcommunity LinkedIn An inside look at the Morning Brew’s growth (Morning Brew) Piktochart Think Again: The Power of Knowing What You Don’t Know by Adam Grant The W curve of adaptation (YouTube) Heartbeat WordPress The Illustrated Children’s Guide to Kubernetes by Matt Butcher and Karen Chu CHAOSS Community software A Socially Constructed Discord Special Guests: Bri Leever, Lori Goldman, and Victoria C.Support CHAOSScast

Hello and welcome to CHAOSScast Community podcast, where we share use cases and experiences with measuring open source community health. Elevating conversations about metrics, analytics, and software from the Community Health Analytics Open Source Software, or short CHAOSS Project, to wherever you like to listen. Today, Georg has two experts in analyzing open source community repositories joining him from Arnica, which is focused on software security supply chain security. Our two guests today are Chris Abraham, Head of Data Science, and Nir Valtman, Co-Founder and CEO, and they’re here to tell us about an analysis they conducted called, “How do top open-source projects protect their code?”, the story behind why they decided to do this, and some surprising things they learned from the analysis. Download this episode now to find out much more, and don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast on your favorite podcast app and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues! [00:01:09] Chris and Nir introduce themselves, how they got into open source, what brought them to Arnica, and what they’re doing now. [00:05:38] Georg brings up a blog post that Chris and Nir wrote on, “How do top open-source projects protect their code?” and we hear why they did this study and how they went about doing it. [00:09:11] When looking at the data, Georg asks if people have policies around it and if we can infer from it if there’s a security issue or not. Also, Nir and Chris detail how they went about collecting data and looking at what open source is doing. [00:14:15] Chris and Nir wanted to know if code owners contribute to quality, and we find out how they assessed quality. [00:19:57] We learn some surprising things Chris and Nir learned from the analysis. [00:22:10] Georg mentions maintainer burnout and the workload that is being put on maintainers, and he asks how Chris and Nir see the security controls contributing to maintainer burnout or even helping the demands on maintainers. [00:27:24] Chris and Nir looked at the top 250 projects on GitHub, they tell us how the findings apply to smaller open source and the long tail of projects we have. [00:33:28] Find out where you can follow Chris and Nir and the work they’re doing. [00:34:45] Nir tells us about their open source project called, GitGoat. Value Adds (Picks) of the week: [00:36:16] Georg’s pick is rediscovering Firefox Focus. [00:37:32] Chris’s pick is his connection with the Digital and Analog world and finishing his wood floors with the help of watching YouTube videos. [00:39:16] Nir’s pick is realizing Startup life is not easy and his wife helped him to do more things like mountain biking twice a week. Panelist: Georg Link Guests: Chris Abraham Nir Valtman Sponsor: SustainOSS Links: CHAOSS CHAOSS Project Twitter CHAOSScast Podcast podcast@chaoss.community Ford Foundation Georg Link Twitter Chris Jacob Abraham LinkedIn Nir Valtman Twitter Nir Valtman LinkedIn Arnica Arnica Twitter Arnica LinkedIn How do top open-source projects protect their code? (Blog post) GitGoat Firefox Focus Special Guests: Chris Jacob Abraham and Nir Valtman.Support CHAOSScast

Hello and welcome to CHAOSScast Community podcast, where we share use cases and experiences with measuring open source community health. Elevating conversations about metrics, analytics, and software from the Community Health Analytics Open Source Software, or short CHAOSS Project, to wherever you like to listen. We are super excited to have joining us, Maurice Hendriks, who works for the Municipality of Amsterdam as a policy maker, specifically on the topic of Open Source. He’s here to share his journey into open source and to talk more about his views on open source. Download this episode now to find out much more, and don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast on your favorite podcast app and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues! [00:01:56] Maurice shares his journey into open source and how he got into the field. [00:05:23] Sean wonders if misunderstandings affect the work that Maurice is trying to accomplish, and Maurice talks about the laws in Netherlands and how open source is essential for the morality of the city. [00:09:36] From the government perspective Maurice talked about, he explains different perspectives on what a healthy open source project or community is. [00:12:24] Are these other governments, other municipalities in Netherlands that are using the open source software, built in Amsterdam? [00:17:28] Maurice explains how policy would potentially influence this social system. [00:21:16] We find out the difference between open sourcing something and having something publicly available. [00:23:39] What bothers Maurice as a policy maker? [00:26:15] Sean brings up a point about if software is a social good open sourcing, there needs to be a way for that to be sustainable so it’s not just Maurice that’s maintaining a particular project, and he wonders how Maurice balances that. [00:29:08] We hear the main lesson people should get from Maurice’s vision. [00:30:05] Find out where you can follow Maurice’s and his work online. Value Adds (Picks) of the week: [00:32:53] Georg’s pick is taking a family trip to Europe. [00:33:30] Sean’s pick is witnessing the number of people in this country who are actively engaged in fixing the problems with the recent rulings by our Supreme Court. [00:34:05] Maurice’s pick is his wife finishing her book, Akal-About life in the Dutch East Indies_ _by Lilja Anna Perdijk. Panelists: Georg Link Sean Goggins Guest: Maurice Hendriks Sponsor: SustainOSS Quotes: [00:04:27] “If there is no power, there is no software.” [00:07:11] “My mission is to use open source software to get transparency into Government information and technology.” [00:29:08] “The main lesson from my vision: Community built software is the cherry on the cake. You first need to get layers and components in place or you don’t get a cake at all.” Links: CHAOSS CHAOSS Project Twitter CHAOSScast Podcast podcast@chaoss.community Ford Foundation Georg Link Twitter Sean Goggins Twitter The Universal Permissive License (UPL), Version 1.0 (Open Source Initiative) European Union Public License, Version 1.2 (EUPL-1.2) Akal-Overleven in Nederlands-Indië (Dutch) Akal-About life in the Dutch East Indies (English) OpenNMT Special Guest: Maurice Hendriks.Support CHAOSScast

Hello and welcome to CHAOSScast Community podcast, where we share use cases and experiences with measuring open source community health. Elevating conversations about metrics, analytics, and software from the Community Health Analytics Open Source Software, or short CHAOSS Project, to wherever you like to listen. Today, we’re having a revisit episode with a guest we’ve had on before. We’re so excited to welcome back Jono Bacon, a leading community and collaboration strategy consultant, author, and speaker, and previously led community at GitHub, Canonical, and XPRIZE. Our conversations today include a mix of revisiting some things we talked about in Jono’s previous episode, updates on what’s changed in the community industry and in his world, as well as some new things that are happening in Web3. Download this episode now to find out much more, and don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast on your favorite podcast app and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues! [00:02:48] Jono gives us an introduction about who he is and what he does. [00:04:22] We find out some key strategies that Jono’s been using lately to propel his personal career and development as a Community Manager. [00:07:55] Lori wonders if anyone is seeing this move toward integrating and working with different tools as opposed to having everything centralized, and if this has to do with the onset of Web3. Jono tells us how he’s skeptical of the all-in-one community. [00:10:20] Georg brings up how we need more diversity in the ecosystem of tooling and Jono shares his thoughts on this. [00:13:14] Venia tells us about Grapevine communication. [00:15:14] The cruise ship model of data structure is brought up and Venia wonders where Jono thinks that’s going to take us moving into the future of Web3. [00:18:17] Georg asks Jono if he sees changes in communities and how communities work due to these new demands that are being put on them. [00:22:35] Jono tells us what a Community Manager’s responsibility should be to the community by explaining it in three layers: Policy, Technology, and Influence. [00:29:45] Lori expresses the importance of listening to the passionate people, and since community is a teachable profession, she asks, “Where does it go now?” [00:34:26] Jono gives us his honest answer to the least understood aspects of being a Community Manager since a lot has changed over the last two years. [00:38:16] Find out Jono’s opinion on how community manages metrics. Value Adds of the week: [00:42:31] Jono’s pick is something he learned from his coach that was super interesting which is, when you’ve got the right balance of enthusiasm and you’re only going to work with people who really are aligned on what you’re trying to do, you’ll get better at what you do. [00:44:19] Venia’s pick is when you make a mistake, iterate the plan, and make sure you’re not iterating it yourself. [00:45:39] Georg’s pick is a journey he’s taking to start reading more and learn about living healthier. [00:46:17] Lori’s picks are to ignore your head and just go do something that you think is really going to make you happy, and the joy of finding these things that were a part of you in the past and you can now bring forward. Panelists: Venia Logan Georg Link Lori Goldman Guest: Jono Bacon Sponsor: SustainOSS Links: CHAOSS CHAOSS Project Twitter CHAOSScast Podcast podcast@chaoss.community Ford Foundation Georg Link Twitter Venia Logan Twitter Lori Goldman LinkedIn IndyKite Jono Bacon Twitter Jono Bacon Website Community Experience Masterclass CHAOSScast Podcast- Episode 7: Your Community Story with Jono Bacon Orbit CHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 37: The Orbit Model with Patrick Woods CMX-Gamification: A Fireside Chat with Jono Bacon Special Guests: Jono Bacon and Lori Goldman.Support CHAOSScast