Episode 75: DEI Metrics Overcoming Social Barriers in OSS

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Dec 19, 2023

Anita Ihuman, a developer advocate and technical writer, discusses the usage and effectiveness of DEI metrics in open source communities, including surprising findings such as lack of codes of conduct and DEI as a myth in some projects. They highlight projects using DEI metrics like Apache Traffic Control and emphasize the importance of implementing DEI metrics to enhance inclusivity. The speakers also share personal anecdotes at the end of the podcast.

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INSIGHT

Curiosity About DEI Metrics Use

Anita Ihuman wondered if DEI metrics in open source communities were effectively used or just guidelines.
She studied how helpful these metrics were, especially for underrepresented groups.

INSIGHT

Surprising DEI Challenges in OSS

Many open source projects lack a code of conduct, including some large communities.
Some see DEI as irrelevant if it doesn't enhance market profits, which challenges common DEI assumptions.

ANECDOTE

Projects Using CHAOSS DEI Metrics

Apache Traffic Control and Apache Diversity and Inclusion projects use CHAOSS DEI metrics to assess inclusive participation.
Good Docs community also used Code of Conduct metrics to develop their resources.

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CHAOSScast – Episode 76

In this episode of CHAOSScast, Georg and Dawn have a conversation with guest, Anita Ihuman, about the vital subject of Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) metrics within open source communities. Anita, who’s a developer advocate and technical writer, shares her research about how DEI metrics are used and their effectiveness. They discuss the importance of documenting DEI efforts, reflect on the challenges faced by communities in improving inclusivity, and share success stories of events that have leveraged CHAOSS DEI badges to enhance participant experiences. Also, Anita encourages everyone to explore the comprehensive research findings for further insights. Download this episode now to hear more!

[00:02:38] Anita explains her background and interest in the research, and her curiosity about the usage and effectiveness of DEI metrics, especially for underrepresented groups.

[00:04:36] Georg asks about Anita’s aspirations for academic publication, and she shares surprising findings from her research, including lack of codes of conduct in many open source communities and the perception of DEI as a myth in some legacy projects.

[00:09:23] Anita provides examples of projects using DEI metrics, like Apache Traffic Control and the Apache Diversity and Inclusion project.

[00:12:24] Dawn asks which DEI metrics should be prioritized by communities looking to improve. Anita suggests focusing on leadership and governance as starting points for improving diversity and inclusivity, along with mentorship and sponsorship opportunities.

[00:14:52] Georg asks about the use of DIMD files (“ALL in project”) and Anita tells us she didn’t encounter using it since it was introduced after her interviews were completed. However, one participant mentioned it could aid in championing DEI efforts.

[00:15:58] Anita touches upon an article, “An Open Letter to the Python Software Foundation,” about challenges in funding applications and considers how CHAOSS metrics could help in such situations, particularly with sponsorship.

[00:17:17] Dawn brings up concerns about using DEI metrics, and Anita discusses the potential flaws in DEI metrics, noting how differences in culture and background could affect the perception of norms and inclusivity, and stresses the importance of considering global perspectives in DEI metrics.

[00:20:02] The discussion shifts to the discussion to DEI metrics for events and Georg notes the increasing adoption of these metrics by event organizers. Anita says the event badges program is popular and shares positive feedback on its impact on participation and overall event experience.

[00:24:20] Anita shares an example of the Open Source Community Africa event’s improved experience after adopting the DEI badge, emphasizing its positive feedback.

[00:25:04] Georg and Anita discuss how the CHAOSS DEI badging helps event organizers implement DEI metrics, acting as a mirror to reflect on inclusivity and diversity.

[00:28:09] Anita shares that she sees the research as enlightening, offering various perspectives on the potential of DEI metrics in the open source community. She encourages everyone to read the article for further insights.

Value Adds (Picks) of the week:

[00:29:43] Georg’s pick is doing the German tradition of Advent calendars.
[00:31:14] Dawn’s pick is getting a carbon dioxide monitor for her office to encourage her to open her window for a few minutes to get some fresh air.
[00:31:57] Anita’s pick is seeing this research come to an end and the possibility of taking these findings further.

Panelists:

Georg Link

Dawn Foster

Guest:

Anita Ihuman

Links:

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CHAOSScast Podcast

podcast@chaoss.community

Georg Link Website

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