

CHAOSScast
CHAOSS Project
This CHAOSS Community podcast features members who spent considerable time and effort to understand open source community health and how we can measure it through metrics, analytics, and software. We invite guests to this podcast to talk about how they use open source community health metrics and software in their own open source communities, companies, or foundations. This podcast fills the gap with open source community metric definitions and software on one side and their use on the other side.
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Oct 14, 2022 • 35min
Episode 67: The CHAOSS Newcomer Slack Bot and She-Code-Africa with Precious and Iyimide
Hello and welcome to CHAOSScast Community podcast, where we share use cases and experiences with measuring open source community health. Elevating conversations about metrics, analytics, and software from the Community Health Analytics Open Source Software, or short CHAOSS Project, to wherever you like to listen. Today, we are excited to be joined by two guests, Iyimide Adegunloye (Mide) and Precious Abubakar, who participated in the She Code Africa Program. We invited them to talk about the program and share what they’ve done, as well as discussing bots and the welcoming of newcomers. Download this episode now to find out much more, and don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast on your favorite podcast app and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues!
[00:02:55] Mide and Precious give us a brief introduction about themselves.
[00:04:20] We find out the details on the She Code Africa Program, their experience with getting into She Code Africa, how they found CHAOSS, and how they decided to engage with the CHAOSS Project.
[00:08:54] We learn how the idea of the bot came about and the design process.
[00:13:26] There’s a discussion about the kinds of challenges they faced in creating the bot and what they learned in the process.
[00:16:34] Georg wonders how the response has been in the community since the bot was implemented.
[00:19:14] Mide explains more about the use of the bot at She Code Africa.
[00:20:22] Precious and Ruth fill us in where they think the project will go next and share some ideas for the future.
[00:21:50] If you would like to get involved, find out where you can connect to get started.
[00:23:34] Mide and Precious share how the mentorship helped them understand CHAOSS. We also hear from the mentors what they’ve learned in this program or if they’ve learned to appreciate CHAOSS in a different way.
Value Adds (Picks) of the week:
[00:28:44] Georg’s pick is learning sometimes an upgrade saves you money.
[00:30:22] Ruth’s pick is her Personal Assistant, Olamide Makinde.
[00:30:54] Elizabeth’s pick is a northern walkingstick insect.
[00:32:15] Precious’s pick is Rotary Youth Leadership Awards (RYLA).
[00:33:07] Mide’s pick is leading a children’s and adult coding bootcamp.
[00:34:00] Matt’s pick is enjoying his first month living in Oregon.
[00:34:34] Sean’s pick is to try to get to Wisconsin in the Fall.
Panelists:
Georg Link
Elizabeth Barron
Sean Goggins
Matt Cantu Snell
Ruth Ikegah
Guests:
Precious Abubakar
Iyimide Adegunloye
Sponsor:
SustainOSS
Links:
CHAOSS
CHAOSS Project Twitter
CHAOSScast Podcast
podcast@chaoss.community
Ford Foundation
Georg Link Twitter
Sean Goggins Twitter
Elizabeth Barron Twitter
Matt Cantu Snell LinkedIn
Ruth Ikegah Twitter
Precious Abubakar Twitter
Precious Abubakar LinkedIn
Precious Abubakar Website
Iyimide Adegunloye Twitter
Iyimide Adegunloye LinkedIn
Iyimide Adegunloye Website
She Code Africa
She Code Africa Contributhon
CHAOSS Slack Bot-GitHub
Common walkingstick
Rotary Youth Leadership Awards (RYLA)
Special Guests: Iyimide Adegunloye (Mide) and Precious Abubakar.Support CHAOSScast

Oct 7, 2022 • 50min
Episode 66: Deciding what metrics to measure for community managers with Bri, Lori, and Victoria
Hello and welcome to CHAOSScast Community podcast, where we share use cases and experiences with measuring open source community health. Elevating conversations about metrics, analytics, and software from the Community Health Analytics Open Source Software, or short CHAOSS Project, to wherever you like to listen. Today, we are joined by two wonderful guests that Venia met during an amazing talk at the Community Spaces. We have Victoria Cumberbatch, Founder of adventuresOFcommunity, a Community Development Consultancy, and Bri Leever, a Community Architect and Founder of Ember. Our conversations take us through finding out how everyone got their start in community, and what numbers mean for our brands and what they’ll mean for open source health. Also, we’ll find out about Bri’s learning journey, and more about the metrics Bri and Viki are using and the kinds of stories they’re telling with them. Download this episode now to find out much more, and don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast on your favorite podcast app and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues!
[00:02:33] Bri, Lori, and Viki fill us in on how they got started in community and where their love of community came from.
[00:09:15] Georg shares his story of how he got his start in community.
[00:12:57] There’s a great discussion about what numbers really mean for our brands and what they’ll mean for open source health afterward.
[00:16:45] Venia brings up a story about Morning Brew talking about the progression of their community, and Bri tells us about a community she’s managing for the company Piktochart and how they manage their metrics and interesting things they do with her.
[00:20:29] Bri mentioned the learning journey, and she explains what she considers the learning journey, the kinds of stories she finds herself telling, and the metrics she’s weaving in with the learning journeys.
[00:24:04] Venia talks about Chris Mercer and one of his main statements is no one is a numbers person, and Bri adds be saying, the power is in the pattern, and she tells us about a book called, Think Again: The Power of Knowing What You Don’t Know by Adam Grant.
[00:25:56] We hear what kind of metrics Viki uses, the kinds of stories she’s telling with them, and using the Cultural Adjustment Graph. Bri and Lori share some thoughts as well.
[00:32:30] Lori explains some of the behaviors she was speaking about.
[00:34:40] Venia asks everyone how they would systemize and turn that story into something that people can query on a weekly basis whenever they need. Bri tells us about a community platform called, Heartbeat.
[00:41:41] Georg highlights CHAOSS software.
[00:42:41] Find out where you can follow Viki and Bri online.
Value Adds (Picks) of the week:
[00:43:44] Georg’s pick is the WordPress community.
[00:44:44] Bri’s pick is having availability in her life to make friends in all areas.
[00:45:39] Venia’s pick is the importance of farming and shovel environments.
[00:46:41] Lori’s pick is being grateful that she’s around people who are really lit up by what they’re doing and sharing really neat things that they’re doing.
[00:47:37] Viki’s pick is finding a meetup group and playing volleyball with them.
Panelists:
Venia Logan
Georg Link
Lori Goldman
Guests:
Victoria Cumberbatch
Bri Leever
Sponsor:
SustainOSS
Links:
CHAOSS
CHAOSS Project Twitter
CHAOSScast Podcast
podcast@chaoss.community
Ford Foundation
Georg Link Twitter
Georg Link LinkedIn
Venia Logan Twitter
Samantha “Venia” Logan LinkedIn
Lori Goldman LinkedIn
Bri Leever Twitter
Bri Leever LinkedIn
Ember LinkedIn
Ember Consulting
Victoria Cumberbatch LinkedIn
adventuresOFcommunity LinkedIn
An inside look at the Morning Brew’s growth (Morning Brew)
Piktochart
Think Again: The Power of Knowing What You Don’t Know by Adam Grant
The W curve of adaptation (YouTube)
Heartbeat
WordPress
The Illustrated Children’s Guide to Kubernetes by Matt Butcher and Karen Chu
CHAOSS Community software
A Socially Constructed Discord
Special Guests: Bri Leever, Lori Goldman, and Victoria C.Support CHAOSScast

Sep 16, 2022 • 41min
Episode 65: How Projects Secure Their Code with Chris and Nir
Hello and welcome to CHAOSScast Community podcast, where we share use cases and experiences with measuring open source community health. Elevating conversations about metrics, analytics, and software from the Community Health Analytics Open Source Software, or short CHAOSS Project, to wherever you like to listen. Today, Georg has two experts in analyzing open source community repositories joining him from Arnica, which is focused on software security supply chain security. Our two guests today are Chris Abraham, Head of Data Science, and Nir Valtman, Co-Founder and CEO, and they’re here to tell us about an analysis they conducted called, “How do top open-source projects protect their code?”, the story behind why they decided to do this, and some surprising things they learned from the analysis. Download this episode now to find out much more, and don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast on your favorite podcast app and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues!
[00:01:09] Chris and Nir introduce themselves, how they got into open source, what brought them to Arnica, and what they’re doing now.
[00:05:38] Georg brings up a blog post that Chris and Nir wrote on, “How do top open-source projects protect their code?” and we hear why they did this study and how they went about doing it.
[00:09:11] When looking at the data, Georg asks if people have policies around it and if we can infer from it if there’s a security issue or not. Also, Nir and Chris detail how they went about collecting data and looking at what open source is doing.
[00:14:15] Chris and Nir wanted to know if code owners contribute to quality, and we find out how they assessed quality.
[00:19:57] We learn some surprising things Chris and Nir learned from the analysis.
[00:22:10] Georg mentions maintainer burnout and the workload that is being put on maintainers, and he asks how Chris and Nir see the security controls contributing to maintainer burnout or even helping the demands on maintainers.
[00:27:24] Chris and Nir looked at the top 250 projects on GitHub, they tell us how the findings apply to smaller open source and the long tail of projects we have.
[00:33:28] Find out where you can follow Chris and Nir and the work they’re doing.
[00:34:45] Nir tells us about their open source project called, GitGoat.
Value Adds (Picks) of the week:
[00:36:16] Georg’s pick is rediscovering Firefox Focus.
[00:37:32] Chris’s pick is his connection with the Digital and Analog world and finishing his wood floors with the help of watching YouTube videos.
[00:39:16] Nir’s pick is realizing Startup life is not easy and his wife helped him to do more things like mountain biking twice a week.
Panelist:
Georg Link
Guests:
Chris Abraham
Nir Valtman
Sponsor:
SustainOSS
Links:
CHAOSS
CHAOSS Project Twitter
CHAOSScast Podcast
podcast@chaoss.community
Ford Foundation
Georg Link Twitter
Chris Jacob Abraham LinkedIn
Nir Valtman Twitter
Nir Valtman LinkedIn
Arnica
Arnica Twitter
Arnica LinkedIn
How do top open-source projects protect their code? (Blog post)
GitGoat
Firefox Focus
Special Guests: Chris Jacob Abraham and Nir Valtman.Support CHAOSScast

Sep 2, 2022 • 38min
Episode 64: Policy for Open Source in Amsterdam with Maurice Hendriks
Hello and welcome to CHAOSScast Community podcast, where we share use cases and experiences with measuring open source community health. Elevating conversations about metrics, analytics, and software from the Community Health Analytics Open Source Software, or short CHAOSS Project, to wherever you like to listen. We are super excited to have joining us, Maurice Hendriks, who works for the Municipality of Amsterdam as a policy maker, specifically on the topic of Open Source. He’s here to share his journey into open source and to talk more about his views on open source. Download this episode now to find out much more, and don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast on your favorite podcast app and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues!
[00:01:56] Maurice shares his journey into open source and how he got into the field.
[00:05:23] Sean wonders if misunderstandings affect the work that Maurice is trying to accomplish, and Maurice talks about the laws in Netherlands and how open source is essential for the morality of the city.
[00:09:36] From the government perspective Maurice talked about, he explains different perspectives on what a healthy open source project or community is.
[00:12:24] Are these other governments, other municipalities in Netherlands that are using the open source software, built in Amsterdam?
[00:17:28] Maurice explains how policy would potentially influence this social system.
[00:21:16] We find out the difference between open sourcing something and having something publicly available.
[00:23:39] What bothers Maurice as a policy maker?
[00:26:15] Sean brings up a point about if software is a social good open sourcing, there needs to be a way for that to be sustainable so it’s not just Maurice that’s maintaining a particular project, and he wonders how Maurice balances that.
[00:29:08] We hear the main lesson people should get from Maurice’s vision.
[00:30:05] Find out where you can follow Maurice’s and his work online.
Value Adds (Picks) of the week:
[00:32:53] Georg’s pick is taking a family trip to Europe.
[00:33:30] Sean’s pick is witnessing the number of people in this country who are actively engaged in fixing the problems with the recent rulings by our Supreme Court.
[00:34:05] Maurice’s pick is his wife finishing her book, Akal-About life in the Dutch East Indies_ _by Lilja Anna Perdijk.
Panelists:
Georg Link
Sean Goggins
Guest:
Maurice Hendriks
Sponsor:
SustainOSS
Quotes:
[00:04:27] “If there is no power, there is no software.”
[00:07:11] “My mission is to use open source software to get transparency into Government information and technology.”
[00:29:08] “The main lesson from my vision: Community built software is the cherry on the cake. You first need to get layers and components in place or you don’t get a cake at all.”
Links:
CHAOSS
CHAOSS Project Twitter
CHAOSScast Podcast
podcast@chaoss.community
Ford Foundation
Georg Link Twitter
Sean Goggins Twitter
The Universal Permissive License (UPL), Version 1.0 (Open Source Initiative)
European Union Public License, Version 1.2 (EUPL-1.2)
Akal-Overleven in Nederlands-Indië (Dutch)
Akal-About life in the Dutch East Indies (English)
OpenNMT
Special Guest: Maurice Hendriks.Support CHAOSScast

Aug 19, 2022 • 49min
Episode 63: Revisiting Communities with Jono Bacon
Hello and welcome to CHAOSScast Community podcast, where we share use cases and experiences with measuring open source community health. Elevating conversations about metrics, analytics, and software from the Community Health Analytics Open Source Software, or short CHAOSS Project, to wherever you like to listen. Today, we’re having a revisit episode with a guest we’ve had on before. We’re so excited to welcome back Jono Bacon, a leading community and collaboration strategy consultant, author, and speaker, and previously led community at GitHub, Canonical, and XPRIZE. Our conversations today include a mix of revisiting some things we talked about in Jono’s previous episode, updates on what’s changed in the community industry and in his world, as well as some new things that are happening in Web3. Download this episode now to find out much more, and don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast on your favorite podcast app and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues!
[00:02:48] Jono gives us an introduction about who he is and what he does.
[00:04:22] We find out some key strategies that Jono’s been using lately to propel his personal career and development as a Community Manager.
[00:07:55] Lori wonders if anyone is seeing this move toward integrating and working with different tools as opposed to having everything centralized, and if this has to do with the onset of Web3. Jono tells us how he’s skeptical of the all-in-one community.
[00:10:20] Georg brings up how we need more diversity in the ecosystem of tooling and Jono shares his thoughts on this.
[00:13:14] Venia tells us about Grapevine communication.
[00:15:14] The cruise ship model of data structure is brought up and Venia wonders where Jono thinks that’s going to take us moving into the future of Web3.
[00:18:17] Georg asks Jono if he sees changes in communities and how communities work due to these new demands that are being put on them.
[00:22:35] Jono tells us what a Community Manager’s responsibility should be to the community by explaining it in three layers: Policy, Technology, and Influence.
[00:29:45] Lori expresses the importance of listening to the passionate people, and since community is a teachable profession, she asks, “Where does it go now?”
[00:34:26] Jono gives us his honest answer to the least understood aspects of being a Community Manager since a lot has changed over the last two years.
[00:38:16] Find out Jono’s opinion on how community manages metrics.
Value Adds of the week:
[00:42:31] Jono’s pick is something he learned from his coach that was super interesting which is, when you’ve got the right balance of enthusiasm and you’re only going to work with people who really are aligned on what you’re trying to do, you’ll get better at what you do.
[00:44:19] Venia’s pick is when you make a mistake, iterate the plan, and make sure you’re not iterating it yourself.
[00:45:39] Georg’s pick is a journey he’s taking to start reading more and learn about living healthier.
[00:46:17] Lori’s picks are to ignore your head and just go do something that you think is really going to make you happy, and the joy of finding these things that were a part of you in the past and you can now bring forward.
Panelists:
Venia Logan
Georg Link
Lori Goldman
Guest:
Jono Bacon
Sponsor:
SustainOSS
Links:
CHAOSS
CHAOSS Project Twitter
CHAOSScast Podcast
podcast@chaoss.community
Ford Foundation
Georg Link Twitter
Venia Logan Twitter
Lori Goldman LinkedIn
IndyKite
Jono Bacon Twitter
Jono Bacon Website
Community Experience Masterclass
CHAOSScast Podcast- Episode 7: Your Community Story with Jono Bacon
Orbit
CHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 37: The Orbit Model with Patrick Woods
CMX-Gamification: A Fireside Chat with Jono Bacon
Special Guests: Jono Bacon and Lori Goldman.Support CHAOSScast

Aug 12, 2022 • 42min
Episode 62: Maintaining Open Source Projects - a joint episode with the Sustain Podcast
Hello and welcome to CHAOSScast Community podcast, where we share use cases and experiences with measuring open source community health. Elevating conversations about metrics, analytics, and software from the Community Health Analytics Open Source Software, or short CHAOSS Project, to wherever you like to listen. Today’s episode is a shared podcast between Sustain and CHAOSS. We have six panelists to talk about maintaining open source and we’ll also do a quick update from a previous episode and talk about what has changed and what maintaining open source looks like today. The panelists we have are Georg Link, Richard Littauer, Dawn Foster, Willem Jiang, Amanda Casari, and Ben Nickolls. Download this episode now to find out much more, and don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast on your favorite podcast app and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues!
[00:01:19] The six panelists introduce themselves.
[00:04:45] Richard details more about what Sustain is, Georg and Dawn explain CHAOSS and what’s going on there, and Amanda shares what she likes about CHAOSS.
[00:13:56] Dawn talks about the kind of community members CHAOSS has, Willem tells us about the Asia community, and Ben shares his views on the Sustain community.
[00:20:04] Georg asks if there’s been any updates on the funding situation in open source and if anything has changed there and Ben updates us.
[00:24:14] When thinking about resources, who gets paid, how money flows, and how we identify when help is needed, Amanda wonders how that’s changed in the last few years in the CHAOSS community.
[00:26:34] Richard shares from his angle what he’s seen about what has changed in the past two years in open source.
[00:28:33] Ben shares his views on the supply chain conversation about who is making money in open source.
[00:30:36] Since security is such a hot topic, Georg asks if we’re prepared in all the open source projects to really focus on this topic or if we have to upskill everyone, and we hear Ben’s thoughts on this.
[00:32:27] Richard explains how you can get involved in Sustain happenings that are going on, and Georg and Dawn inform us about some projects, working groups, and other things going on with CHAOSS.
[00:40:42] Find out where you can get involved with Sustain and CHAOSS.
Spotlights/Value Adds (Picks) of the week:
[00:35:46] Georg’s pick is meeting with an online local group and doing cool things together.
[00:36:31] Richard’s pick is going on a super long hike and buying a hydration pack (CamelBak Pouch).
[00:37:21] Dawn’s spotlight is GraphiQL.
[00:37:59] Ben’s spotlights are taking care of Swifts on his roof, and the book, Swifts and Us: The Life of the Bird that Sleeps in the Sky.
[00:38:21] Amanda’s pick is the book, Burnout: The Secret to Unlocking the Stress Cycle.
[00:39:29] Willem’s pick is ApacheCon Asia 2022.
Panelists:
Georg Link
Richard Littauer
Dawn Foster
Willem Jiang
Amanda Casari
Ben Nickolls
Sponsor:
SustainOSS
Links:
CHAOSS
CHAOSS Project Twitter
CHAOSScast Podcast
CHAOSS Community Participate
podcast@chaoss.community
SustainOSS
SustainOSS Twitter
SustainOSS Discourse
Sustain Podcast
podcast@sustainoss.org
Ford Foundation
Georg Link Twitter
Richard Littauer Twitter
Dawn Foster Twitter
Willem Jiang Twitter
Amanda Casari Twitter
Ben Nickolls Twitter
Sustain Podcast-Episode 65: CHAOSS and Sustain: A Joint Podcast
Ecosyste.ms
xkcd
Executive Order on Improving the Nation’s Cybersecurity (The White House)
Sustain 2021 Event Report
Mozilla-Open Source Archetypes: A Framework For Purposeful Open Source May 2018
SonarQube
CamelBak Crux 3-Liter Water Reservoir
GraphiQL
Swifts and Us: The Life of the Bird that Sleeps in the Sky by Sarah Gibson
Burnout: The Secret to Unlocking the Stress Cycle by Emily Nagoski, PhD and Amelia Nagoski, DMA
ApacheCon Asia 2022
Working in Public: The Making and Maintenance of Open Source Software by Nadia Eghbal
Special Guests: Amanda Casari, Benjamin Nickolls, Richard Littauer, and Willem Jiang.Support CHAOSScast

Jul 8, 2022 • 42min
Episode 61: The Untapped Potential Of Goal-Oriented Metrics with Richard Millington
Hello and welcome to CHAOSScast Community podcast, where we share use cases and experiences with measuring open source community health. Elevating conversations about metrics, analytics, and software from the Community Health Analytics Open Source Software, or short CHAOSS Project, to wherever you like to listen. We are super excited to have as our guest, Richard Millington, who’s the Founder of FeverBee and author of Build Your Community. Today, we’ll be talking with Richard about communities, metrics, and what FeverBee does for organizations. Download this episode now to find out much more, and don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast on your favorite podcast app and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues!
[00:01:31] Richard introduces himself, he tells us about FeverBee, and how he got into the field of communities.
[00:06:11] How did Richard move Seth and a lot of his clients into the headspace of being community first and what a community could do for his brands?
[00:12:29] Richard dives into the topic of convince and persuade.
[00:16:22] We hear Richard’s thoughts on how to set goals for community or for existing communities that are out there today.
[00:19:26] When you find what your goals are for engaging a community, Georg wonders how to do this authentically without overriding what everyone else is already doing in the community, and Richard tells us how they approach it.
[00:25:02] We learn from Richard the way to go about understanding what matters for your community and finding the right goals.
[00:29:10] When it comes to open source communities, Richard shares suggestions of where to begin when people are trying to figure out what goals to set.
[00:30:56] Georg asks Richard if he’s ever done a workshop in an asynchronous way over mailing lists or slack where you didn’t require everyone to be in the same room at the same time for the workshop.
[00:31:55] We hear about setting targets based upon prior data or data that already exists, and Richard explains a problem in plucking metrics from thin air.
[00:36:53] Find out where you can follow Richard on the internet.
Value Adds (Picks) of the week:
[00:37:46] Georg’s pick is enjoying their backyard pool.
[00:39:24] Richard’s pick is his girlfriend’s cat finally likes him.
[00:40:31] Venia’s pick is the importance of travel.
Panelists:
Georg Link
Venia Logan
Guest:
Richard Millington
Sponsor:
SustainOSS
Links:
CHAOSS
CHAOSS Project Twitter
CHAOSScast Podcast
podcast@chaoss.community
Ford Foundation
Georg Link Twitter
Venia Logan Twitter
Richard Millington Twitter
Richard Millington LinkedIn
FeverBee
Build Your Community by Richard Millington
Richard’s Blog- “How to Set the Right Targets and Build a Great Community Dashboard”
Richard’s Blog- “Have You Prepared Your Community for These Powerful Trends?”
Special Guest: Richard Millington.Support CHAOSScast

Jun 4, 2022 • 36min
Episode 60: Lessons Learned in Implementing Community Management Metrics
Hello and welcome to CHAOSScast Community podcast, where we share use cases and experiences with measuring open source community health. Elevating conversations about metrics, analytics, and software from the Community Health Analytics Open Source Software, or short CHAOSS Project, to wherever you like to listen. Venia is super excited about this episode because you may know our guests from around the community. Today, we have Brian Oblinger, Senior Vice President of New Products at Commsor, and Lori Goldman, Community Manager at ForgeRock. Our conversations touch on how Brian and Lori found themselves in community and their experiences with measuring community health over the years. We also learn about some start-ups in the community, what CMX has done in the community, where the community is going in a post 2022 world, and some projects Lori and Brian are working on. Download this episode now to find out much more, and don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast on your favorite podcast app and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues!
[00:01:11] Brian and Lori share their stories on how they found themselves in community and measuring community health.
[00:04:58] We hear about some start-ups such as Commsor, Orbit, and Common Room.
[00:06:24] Lori and Brian talk about their experiences with measuring community health over the years.
[00:10:26] Venia wonders how we’re supposed to bring businesses back into the discussion about measurement marketing, and Brian explains it’s about understanding who you’re talking to and understanding their language and Lori mentions monetizing it.
[00:13:05] Lori speaks about the conversation about metrics and the wrapping in of community and CMX.
[00:18:08] Venia explains her take on managing metrics, and Lori and Brian share some thoughts.
[00:20:06] We find out how this community measurement is going to look like in a post-2022, post pandemic, and the problems that need to be solved.
[00:24:23] Lori brings up the interconnection between community and developer relations and how do we work best with that function since it’s so important, and Brian and Venia share their thoughts.
[00:27:56] Find out what Lori and Brian are doing as far as projects in the next six months to a year with community metrics.
Value Adds (Picks) of the week:
[00:31:12] Brian’s picks are a meeting series built by Tiffany Oda and Cassie Mayes called Community OPServations and subscribing to MasterClass.
[00:32:29] Lori’s picks are Duolingo to learn Spanish and to start a personal podcast.
[00:34:08] Venia’s pick is an information diet campaign she put together.
Panelist:
Venia Logan
Guests:
Brian Oblinger
Lori Goldman
Sponsor:
SustainOSS
Links:
CHAOSS
CHAOSS Project Twitter
CHAOSScast Podcast
podcast@chaoss.community
Ford Foundation
Venia Logan Twitter
Brian Oblinger Website
Brian Oblinger Twitter
Brian Oblinger LinkedIn
Lori Goldman LinkedIn
ForgeRock
Commsor
Orbit
Common Room
CMX Summit 2022
Community OPServations
MasterClass
Duolingo
The Information Diet: A Case for Conscious Consumption by Clay A. Johnson
How to go on an information diet by Anne-Laure Le Cunff (Ness Labs)
Special Guests: Brian Oblinger and Lori Goldman.Support CHAOSScast

May 20, 2022 • 34min
Episode 59: The Craft of Coding and Code Metrics for Open Source in M&As
Hello and welcome to CHAOSScast Community podcast, where we share use cases and experiences with measuring open source community health. Elevating conversations about metrics, analytics, and software from the Community Health Analytics Open Source Software, or short CHAOSS Project, to wherever you like to listen. Today, our special guest is Matt Van Itallie, who’s the Founder and CEO of Sema, a software company focused on code quality. Today, we find out about Sema’s tools, one being an analytics tool to understand open source, the other one helps developers build a portfolio of their work, and we learn how these tools relate to the work CHAOSS is doing. Also, Matt goes in depth about “code is a craft,” using Sonar for Linting, and ScanCode, and some things he would like to make better in the future. Download this episode now to find out much more, and don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast on your favorite podcast app and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues!
[00:01:42] Matt tells us his background and what brought him to CHAOSS.
[00:03:17] We hear Matt’s thoughts on the various paradoxes and complexities when evaluating code quality in open source, Sean asks Matt if anyone has cataloged the available Linters, and we hear about an open source project called ScanCode.
[00:07:21] Sean brings up the language agnostic code quality analysis tool, and Matt explains how it works, what the benefits are, and some constraints that he’s discovered in his work.
[00:09:54] Georg wonders how detailed Matt gets looking at the process analysis.
[00:12:37] Matt talks about explaining quality measurement to executives and non-technical executives.
[00:15:19] Since security is always a concern, Sean tells us about a challenge they have in the Risk working group at CHAOSS with identifying various declared recognized risks, and Matt explains how this relates to the work he’s doing.
[00:21:10] Georg wonders if there’s anything Matt wants to make better in the future and if the CHAOSS Community can help him with it. He explains an automated tool to understand the health of the guild.
[00:26:40] Matt talks about a tool from Sema that makes it easier and faster to write code reviews and using ScanCode.
[00:29:33] Find out where you can follow Matt online.
Quote:
[00:19:29] “Code is a craft means that creators matter a ton because there’s so much institutional knowledge in their heads about how things fit together and the meaning of it. Crafts people create meaning that is incredibly hard to transfer.”
Value Adds (Picks) of the week:
[00:30:29] Georg’s pick is moving into a new house.
[00:30:46] Matt’s pick are two extraordinary open source community leaders, Kunal and Eddie.
[00:31:30] Sean’s picks are being back on his bicycle, TREK 520 with Schwalbe tires, and to thank Google, Red Hat, and VMware for all the support they’ve provided for CHAOSS Project.
Panelists:
Georg Link
Sean Goggins
Guest:
Matt Van Itallie
Sponsor:
SustainOSS
Links:
CHAOSS
CHAOSS Project Twitter
CHAOSScast Podcast
podcast@chaoss.community
Ford Foundation
Georg Link Twitter
Sean Goggins Twitter
Matt Van Itallie Twitter
Matt Van Itallie LinkedIn
Sema
Sonar
ScanCode toolkit-GitHub
Kunal Kushwaha Twitter
Eddie Jaoude Twitter
TREK 520
Schwalbe tires
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May 6, 2022 • 45min
Episode 58: Panel Discussion: The Future of Metrics
Hello and welcome to CHAOSScast Community podcast, where we share use cases and experiences with measuring open source community health. Elevating conversations about metrics, analytics, and software from the Community Health Analytics Open Source Software, or short CHAOSS Project, to wherever you like to listen. Today, Venia, Don, and Sean are having a panel discussion about the juicy news with Google Analytics, the history of it, their experience with it over the years, and the future of metrics. Download this episode now to find out much more, and don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast on your favorite podcast app and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues!
[00:01:47] Don, Sean, and Venia share their experiences with Google Analytics.
[00:03:45] Venia announces the big news about Google Analytics and we hear about the history of Google Analytics.
[00:13:47] Sean asks if the folks who were invisible to the conventional Analytics become a prototype of what people have in terms of tools and power under the new Google, and Venia explains “dark data.”
[00:16:25] Don talks about the global privacy control you have to do for handling personal data in California and the California Detector.
[00:17:32] Venia talks about what happened in 2016 with GDPR.
[00:19:29] Where does Google Analytics new platform fit into this problem space?
[00:22:46] Sean asks if we are anthropomorphizing his smart fridge if it’s connected to the internet and if it now has a right to be forgotten, and Venia and Don respond.
[00:27:37] Don explains about how we put a lot of emphasis on privacy changes but arbitrary policy changes by big platforms also have a big impact, and we learn how much will be handled by JavaScript Frameworks and development tools down the road.
[00:30:54] Venia wonders how much of a nightmare this transition will be, and what it will look like for the business owner, the end user, and for Google.
[00:36:24] What are the implications for people who buy and sell these ads by the thousand and what are the implications for the consumer?
[00:40:30] We hear about a new group called the Private Advertising Technology Community Group and what they do.
Value Adds (Picks) of the week:
[00:41:25] Don’s pick is The Flask Mega-Tutorial.
[00:43:23] Venia’s pick is working in her sketchbook.
[00:43:56] Sean’s pick is getting outside to ride his bicycle.
Panelists:
Venia Logan
Don Marti
Sean Goggins
Sponsor:
SustainOSS
Links:
CHAOSS
CHAOSS Project Twitter
CHAOSScast Podcast
podcast@chaoss.community
Ford Foundation
Flask Mega-Tutorial Update: Flask 2.0 and more! By Miguel Grinberg
News:
Google Sunsetting Universal Analytics in 2023
Europe’s Move Against Google Analytics Is Just the Beginning
UPDATE: CNIL decides EU-US data transfer to Google Analytics illegal
Website fined by German court for leaking visitor’s IP address via Google Fonts
State Laws Related to Digital Privacy
Problems Persist With Google’s Privacy Sandbox Proposals as Trials Open
Case Studies:
How Target Figured Out A Teen Girl Was Pregnant Before Her Father Did
Data Brokers: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO) YouTube
Next steps in privacy-preserving Telemetry with Prio-Mozilla Security Blog
Privacy Tools:
Ghostery
ClearURLs
Global Privacy Control
Implementing Global Privacy Control in Firefox
CCPA opt out, nerd edition (Don Marti Blog)
Cleaning up YouTube (Don Marti Blog)
Forums:
Private Advertising Technology Community Group
CPPA Regulations (Public rulemaking process for CPRA (next generation of CCPA)
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