Panelists Georg Link | Nicole Huesman | Sean Goggins Guests Tim Lehnen | Matthew Tift Sponsor SustainOSS Show Notes Today, we are lucky to have two representatives from the Drupal community. Our two guests are Tim Lehnen, CTO of the Drupal Association, and Matthew Tift, Lead Engineer at Lullabot, who has been involved in the Drupal Project since 2010. They are here today to talk about who contributes to open source and how do we understand this in the Drupal Community. We also learn the meaning behind Tim and Matthew’s catchphrases, “Build a better picture of how open source gets built” and “Building a better understanding of corporate citizenship in open source.” Download this episode now to find out much more! Don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues. [00:02:13] Tim and Matthew introduce themselves and tell us what they do and how they got into the Drupal community. [00:06:18] Tim and Matthew talk about what the Drupal community is doing to really be this community that it is today. [00:13:14] Nicole wonders how Tim and Matthew go about putting a pulse on who’s contributing from a non-code perspective, and if there are ways that they surface these contributors either through reports or other ways. They talk about the mechanics of what they do. [00:18:43] Tim talks about one of the key considerations of the initial design is wanting to avoid giving people too much paperwork, and Tim tells us the two catchphrases they came up. [00:20:15] Matt talks about an analysis that he did with Dries Buytaert called, “Who sponsors Drupal development?” [00:25:16] Tim talks about two points that were brought up by Matt and Nicole earlier about the value of understanding who gets paid to the work and the different roles and historically unnoticed roles in open source. [00:28:24] We learn more about what we can do with the data when we capture it really well. Tim talks about the cool data they gathered and what they did with it, and the experiment they are trying out at the Drupal Association. [00:38:43] Georg asks Tim how the issue tracker is being used and how has that collaboration shaping up there. [00:49:16] Nicole asks if Tim and Matthew if they report out on the diversity of the Drupal community and if they’ve seen upticks or changes. [00:52:24] Find out where you can follow Tim and Matthew and their work online. They also share advice for communities that want to adopt a system and resources or any starting points. Quotes [00:17:25] “It’s organizing these different events, it’s writing a blog, it’s all of these different things that we do to, it’s the so what who cares, it’s the translating the lines of code into, you know at heart I’m a storyteller, so it’s really translating these lines of code into why is that important to our broader world.” [00:19:48] “Building a better picture of how open source gets built” and “Building a better understanding of corporate citizenship in open source,” were two of our sort of like catch phrases.” [00:31:57] “So if your organization sponsors a lot of people’s time you get to come up right on top of the list, you get more business and leads, you’re rewarded for sponsoring your developers to work on the project, and that encourages you to do it more.” [00:38:08] “Nobody in our community wants people to feel bad, so we’re trying to tweak this. We’re trying to work on our algorithms, our marketplace page as a committee that could probably talk about that studying this.” [00:42:12] “So, we have our contribution recognition committee which has access to what the true weights are. We don’t publish the exact numbers of those variables because gaming the system is something you have to look out for and manage and review periodically.” [00:44:48] “And I think for me, there is still the sense that you can use these data in different kinds of ways and one of them is to sort of rank people. And I think in another way, one of the more interesting views is to kind of understand the diversity of the community, to try and understand what sort of initiatives are important to organizations, and what initiatives are important to say, volunteers.” Adds (Picks) of the week [00:53:51] Georg’s pick is the Nebraska Passport Program. [00:54:38] Nicole’s pick is traveling to Massachusetts and Maine with her son this summer. [00:55:27] Sean’s pick is a book called, The Art of Doing Science and Engineering: Learning to Learn _by Richard W. Hamming. _ [00:55:57] Tim’s pick is working with his brother on building a PC Case Mod with custom water cooling, and it’s NASA themed. [00:56:44] Matthew’s pick is a book called, Invisible Women: Exposing Data Bias _in a World Designed for Men _by Caroline Criado Perez. Links CHAOSS CHAOSS Project Twitter CHAOSScast Podcast podcast@chaoss.community Matthew Tift Website Matthew Tift Twitter Matthew Tift Linkedin Matthew.tift@lullabot.com Tim Lehnen-Drupal Tim Lehnen Twitter Tim Lehnen Linkedin tim@association.drupal.org Drupal Lullabot Drupal Contribution Credit OpenStack Diversity Report “Who sponsors Drupal development?” (2019-2020 edition) CHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 20-CHAOSS + FINOS: Lessons Learned with Rob Underwood GitLab issue, proposing to add the Drupal system-Tim Lehnen Drupal Diversity & Inclusion Nebraska Passport Program The Art of Doing Science and Engineering: Learning to Learn by Richard W. Hamming Invisible Women: Exposing Data Bias in a World Designed for Men by Caroline Criado PerezSpecial Guests: Matthew Tift and Tim Lehnen.Support CHAOSScast

Panelists Sean Goggins | Brian Proffitt | Elizabeth Barron Guest Ruth Suehle Sponsor SustainOSS Show Notes [00:01:16] Ruth tells us about herself and her background. [00:03:56] Ruth fills us in on what Co.Lab is, what was involved with it, and what it was like taking it virtual. She also talks about some cool projects that they did. [00:10:35] Sean wonders Ruth has been able to sustain the level of participation in Co.Lab since it’s gone virtual and she shares exciting news. [00:12:11] We find out how much Co.Lab has grown in the past four years. She mentions SparkFun to purchase these fun kits. [00:14:52] Brian remembers when the gaming and tech space gaming came out and Ruth talks about that curriculum that was part of the virtual. She mentions Red Hat Arcade and Game On text. [00:21:33] Ruth shares more about the gaming community of practice and tells us about Open Jam. [00:25:17] Ruth tells us other things they are keeping track of besides the number of attendees. [00:27:11] Find out how you can get involved with Co.Lab as a volunteer. Ruth talks about how she hopes there’s a lot more of these experiences for kids in the future. [00:30:24] Sean asks Ruth when the in-person events return, how quickly does she think of what she has accomplished in the virtual Co.Lab will be retained, or does she think that the virtual is now going to co-evolve alongside the in-person events. Adds (Picks) of the week [00:34:26] Sean’s pick is gameontext.org. [00:34:43] Brian’s pick is the new Contributor.Link project. [00:36:44] Elizabeth’s pick is an App called iNaturalist.org. [00:37:27] Ruth’s pick is callforcode.org. Links CHAOSS CHAOSS Project Twitter CHAOSScast Podcast podcast@chaoss.community Ruth Suehle Twitter Ruth Suehle Linkedin ruth@redhat.com Red Hat Opensource Co.Lab Open Source Stories Red Hat Official Co.Lab-GitHub SparkFun Red Hat Co.Lab Kits Red Hat Arcade GAME ON Open Jam Game On Text Contributor.Link iNaturalist Call for CodeSpecial Guest: Ruth Suehle.Support CHAOSScast

Panelists Georg Link | Venia Logan Guest Patrick Woods Sponsor SustainOSS Show Notes [00:02:18] Patrick tells us about himself and his journey of what got him to where he is today. [00:08:00] We learn more about the foundations of The Orbit Model and what it looks like. Patrick explains the central components which are gravity, love, reach, and orbit level. [00:13:05] Patrick goes over the other prior models that community managers have used and compares it to this orbit analogy. [00:16:04] Venia asks Patrick to talk about how a person’s interaction over time and the measurement, how that love decays can tell you where they are in that path. [00:23:21] Patrick fills us on the users of The Orbit Model and Georg wonders if he has some insights from the users of the Orbit Model, and if he’s seen any pitfalls or success stories. [00:28:07] We learn from Patrick if he fosters conversations between communities and their community managers, and what kind of communities he sees The Orbit Model being applied to. [00:33:07] Georg talks about community health and how the CHAOSS project uses the metrics to understand the health of our open source communities. He wonders if The Orbit Model looks at it that way or if there’s another way to look at it. [00:35:26] Patrick tells us about when the Orbit company started and building a product around it, and about the future of Orbit. [00:38:16] Find out all the different places you can find Patrick online. Value Adds (Picks) of the week [00:39:37] Venia’s pick is a book called, Secret Formulas of the Wizard of Ads by Roy Williams. [00:40:43] Patrick’s pick is a book called_, The Culture Map_ by Erin Meyer. [00:42:11] Georg’s picks are visiting your local library and a book called, Angrynomics by Eric Lonergan and Mark Blyth. Links CHAOSS CHAOSS Project Twitter CHAOSScast Podcast podcast@chaoss.community Patrick Woods Twitter Patrick Woods Linkedin Developer Love podcast Orbit Orbit Blog The Orbit Model-GitHub Secret Formulas of the Wizard of Ads by Roy Williams The Culture Map by Erin Meyer Angrynomics by Eric Lonergan and Mark Blyth CHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 2-Social Currency Metric System (SCMS)Special Guest: Patrick Woods.Support CHAOSScast

Panelists Georg Link | Matt Snell | Ruth Ikegah | Matt Germonprez Guest Rachel Braun Celia Stamps Sponsor SustainOSS Show Notes [00:02:50] Rachel and Celia tell us what they do at the Linux Foundation. [00:04:15] We learn what the goal was of starting the DEI Badging Initiative from the CHAOSS perspective. [00:07:21] Rachel and Celia tell us why it’s important for events to take part in the badging initiative. [00:10:46] Find out about the process of getting a badge. [00:13:38] Ruth and Rachel explain more about the reviewer process. [00:15:52] Celia and Rachel explain the process of getting started and the steps they took until they got the badge. [00:21:40] Matt wonders if there are DEI related items that Rachel and Celia are working on at the Linux Foundations that CHAOSS is not asking in the badging application process. [00:25:42] Georg is curious if after going through the process and getting feedback, if there were things that Rachel and Celia took away from it, things they learned from, or things they would do different with their events because they went through the process. [00:27:38] Find out where you can follow Celia and Rachel online. Value Adds (Picks) of the week [00:28:36] Georg’s pick is using Respite in foster care and going on a trip to Sioux Falls. [00:29:23] Ruth’s pick is DEI and learning how to care for people you don’t know as a reviewer in the Badging Initiative. [00:31:12] Rachel’s pick is celebrating some milestones in her family and taking joy in the smaller things. [00:31:51] Matt Snell’s picks are his upcoming wedding and his new dog Mabel. [00:32:16] Matt Germonprez’s pick is going out with his family since it’s close to Morel mushroom hunting season. [00:33:02] Celia’s pick is mentally and physically preparing for her baby #2 coming in mid-July. Links CHAOSS CHAOSS Project Twitter CHAOSScast Podcast podcast@chaoss.community Rachel Braun Linkedin Celia Stamps Linkedin Shields.io-GitHub badges The Journal of Open Source Software Diversity & Inclusion Event Badging Form Çity of Sioux Falls The Great MorelSpecial Guests: Celia Stamps and Rachel Braun.Support CHAOSScast

Panelists Georg Link | Kate Stewart Guest Justin Rackliffe Sponsor SustainOSS Show Notes [00:02:17] Justin tells us what he does, his background, and his journey to where he is today. [00:04:47] Georg wonders if Justin is the only one helping with all the different concerns around open source, and he also tells us what the structure is like that he works within. [00:07:17] Kate wonders with the amount of automation happening behind the scenes to effectively make policy decisions if it is all still funneling more manually then Justin would like. Also, Justin explains how they want to leverage other people’s stuff and contributing back when they can. [00:09:58] Justin talks about SBOM’s being a challenge in the industry. [00:10:56] Kate explains what Software Bill of Materials (SBOM) and Software Package Data Exchange (SPDX) are. [00:15:18] Justin tells us other data points and metrics he employs besides SBOM. [00:19:08] Kate mentions one of the challenges is identity for software in the industry and matching it up to other sources of information and metrics, and she wonders if Justin finds it easy or hard to find that type of matching and if he’s looking at the National Vulnerability Database (NVD) as a set of risk metrics associated with a project whether it’s up to date as part of his signals. [00:22:31] Justin explains the difference in viewpoints between CHAOSS metrics and Downstream metrics. [00:25:14] Kate wonders how much some of the signals that the project sends about new releases and implicit end of life when you’ve got a new release coming out, and how much do people park on one release and not move it forward. [00:27:37] Justin talks about how tooling needs to be visible and we learn what kind of signals are useful to him. [00:31:17] We learn from Justin what he would like to see if Georg gave him a magic wand and he could wish for anything from the CHAOSS Project to support him. [00:34:41] Find out where you can follow Justin online. Value Adds (Picks) of the week [00:35:59] Georg’s pick is the Apple watch. [00:37:03] Kate’s pick is having a quarterly meeting with the NTIA SBOM working group. [00:37:53] Justin’s pick is his bike and getting out on the greenways. Links CHAOSS CHAOSS Project Twitter CHAOSScast Podcast podcast@chaoss.community Justin Rackliffe Linkedin Justin Rackliffe Twitter opensource@fidelity.com Fidelity Investments-GitHub SPDX-GitHub Apple Watch National Telecommunications and Information Administration SBOMSpecial Guest: Justin Rackliffe.Support CHAOSScast

Panelists Georg Link | Dawn Foster | Matt Germonprez | Sophia Vargas | Elizabeth Barron Sponsor SustainOSS Show Notes [00:04:29] Georg dives right in to tell us why he wanted to start this podcast and the project, also, we learn the early goals he had with the podcast and the success the podcast has had in the last year. He mentions different episodes to check out. [00:08:00] Dawn tells us what she’s appreciated about the CHAOSS podcast over the year. [00:09:42] Dawn, Sophia, and Matt share the episode that was most interesting to them and what they learned from that episode. [00:13:12] Elizabeth shares the impact she has seen with the podcast on the community as a whole, and Sarah shares thoughts as well about the podcast being able to highlight the diversity in which metrics are important and applicable. [00:16:10] Georg talks about what he sees as the future of the podcast and the CHAOSS Community. Matt shares thoughts on the podcast as well. [00:19:38] The panelists share how they see the CHAOSS Project evolving and where do they see it heading now from where we’ve come in the last four years. [00:25:42] Dawn and Matt talk about how CHAOSS is trying to broaden the reach of work by moving into doing translations for both Chinese and Spanish. [00:26:50] Georg recognizes everyone who is working behind the scenes to make this podcast possible. Value Adds (Picks) of the week [00:29:22] Georg’s pick is an article, “This 5-Move, No-Gym Workout Got Matt Damon Fighting Fit in His Forties.” [00:29:59] Dawn’s pick is GitHub bots that automate all the things, specifically with the Kubernetes prow. [00:30:54] Sophia’s pick is World of Code DB. [00:32:41] Elizabeth’s pick is a Twitter account called “place where cat shouldn’t be.” [00:33:15] Matt’s pick is Morel mushroom hunting tips. Links CHAOSS CHAOSS Project Twitter CHAOSScast Podcast podcast@chaoss.community CHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 1-“Hello, World!” CHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 5-Defining “Open Source Community Health” CHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 9-In Defense of Vanity Metrics CHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 19-GSOC: Anomaly Detection with Pratik, Akshara, Sarit, and Tianyi CHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 21-GSOC Pt. 2: Extending GrimoireLab projects with Ria and Venu CHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 23-GSOC & Outreachy: D&I Efforts-Aastha and Tola CHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 25-GSOC: GitLab Data with Abhinav CHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 27-GSOD with Xiaoya & Jaskirat CHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 31-Marketing Metrics with teams from GNOME & KDE “This 5-Move, No-Gym Workout Got Matt Damon Fighting Fit in His Forties” by Tom Ward (Esquire) Cauldron CHAOSS Community Reports CHAOSS DEI Event Badging Prow-GitHub Place where cat shouldn’t be-Twitter Place where cat shouldn’t be-Instagram The Great MorelSupport CHAOSScast

Panelists Georg Link | Sophia Vargas | Armstrong Foundjem Guest Emil Wåreus Sponsor SustainOSS Show Notes [00:02:33] Emil tells us all about himself, what he does, and explains what software composition analysis is. [00:05:10] Sophia asks Emil for his perspective on open source health, measuring the quality of open source, and what it means for his customers and his platform. He mentions a great book to read as well. [00:08:52] Emil tells us what people struggle with the most in terms of what he needs to help them understand or reeducate them in what is valuable in here, and how he helps them understand why they should care about these things. [00:13:32] Emil explains how his journey started in open source and how it has evolved over time. [00:15:32] Armstrong brings up future engineering and his concern with bias and perspective of communities, and Emil goes into more detail about it. [00:20:41] We learn about a graph model of all open source that Emil is developing. [00:22:24] Sophia wonders if Emil is interested in tracking the influence of individuals in these systems and if that’s something that could often muck up very systematic approaches and how he handles it. He talks about a project called Flask RESTX that he recommends. [00:27:38] Armstrong brings up the problem with maintenance which draws him to the metrics and how the social aspect of this community is a huge concern, and he wonders how Emil mitigates this aspect since an open source community deals with the socio-technical. [00:30:25] Emil walks us through his terminology. [00:35:52] Armstrong asks Emil how open he is to collaboration to make sure that we can work to view a very complex set of a model that we are presented. Sophia also shares interest in working with Emil’s model within the CHAOSS project and within some of their research divisions at Google. [00:38:48] Find out where you can connect with Emil online. Value Adds (Picks) of the week [00:39:32] Georg’s picks are he’s getting the COVID-19 vaccine soon and a great book called, Ready Player One. [00:40:21] Sophia’s pick is making homemade broth and stocks. [00:41:07] Armstrong’s pick is crunching data. [00:41:30] Emil’s pick is a project called Cowait, that is open source and runs on Kubernetes. Links CHAOSS CHAOSS Project Twitter CHAOSScast Podcast podcast@chaoss.community Emil Wåreus Linkedin debricked The debricked blog Flask RESTX The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy by Douglas Adams Ready Player One by Ernest Cline CowaitSpecial Guest: Emil Wåreus.Support CHAOSScast

Panelists Georg Link | Andrea Gallo | Sean Goggins Guests Steffen Herbold Alexander Trautsch Sponsor SustainOSS Show Notes [00:01:36] Steffen and Alexander introduce themselves and tell us what they do. [00:02:29] We learn what SmartSHARK is. [00:04:39] Alexander tells us where to begin if you want to learn about a repository using SmartSHARK. [00:09:30] Sean talks about a similar project he’s working on as part of the CHAOSS project. [00:10:40] Georg wonders what they have learned from the data and how they’ve used it since they’ve collected such a huge pile of data and have metrics on all of that. [00:12:13] Alexander shares some insights on some of his research findings. [00:16:17] Alexander explains what he means by static analysis and if the recommendations in the static analysis are language specific. [00:19:18] Andrea wonders how Alexander defines the rules and if he refers to specific standards. [00:21:35] Georg wonders if Steffen has looked at any other metrics, and if he has looked at any of those kinds of community health metrics if he’s paired them with the code metrics he was looking at. Steffen tells us about a database they are using. [00:23:58] If you’re interested in exploring the data and seeing the insights, Steffen tells us where you can get started. [00:26:27] Andrea asks Steffen if there are any public projects that he can share with us that he has seen improving or getting worse, and he tells us about literature on defect predictions in software. [00:30:31] Georg asks Steffen if he had one wish for the CHAOSS Project what it would be. [00:31:23] Find out where you can follow Steffen and Alexander online. Value Adds (Picks) of the week [00:32:27] Georg’s pick is the globalization, getting products imported from other countries. [00:33:13] Andrea’s pick is a book called, In the Shadow of Man by Jane Goodall. [00:33:42] Sean’s pick is his former master’s advisor at the University of Minnesota who helped Jane Goodall analyze her data. [00:34:07] Steffen’s pick is global and local communication and visual communication, like Zoom or BBB, to stay connected. [00:34:51] Alexander’s pick is learning a new language to help him relax. Links CHAOSS CHAOSS Project Twitter CHAOSScast Podcast podcast@chaoss.community Steffen Herbold Twitter Steffen Herbold Linkedin Software Engineering for Distributed Systems (research group) SmartSHARK SmartSHARK-GitHub In the Shadow of Man by Jane GoodallSpecial Guests: Alexander Trautsch and Steffen Herbold.Support CHAOSScast

Panelists Georg Link | Sri Ramkrishna | Neofytos “Neo” Kolokotronis Guests Aniqa Khokhar Caroline Henriksen Kristi Progri Paul Brown Show Notes [00:03:04] The four guests introduce themselves and tell us what community they are with. [00:05:23] Paul and Caroline share with us goals they have when they are doing their jobs for these GNOME and KDE communities. [00:06:37] Paul and Aniqa tells us what a typical day looks like for the work they do. [00:08:22] Sri asks them what their goals are and current methodology. [00:12:09] Paul asks Kristi how successful she is with people answering the surveys since he has seen so many people ignore them, and Caroline shares what they do as well. [00:14:16] Georg asks the guests if there are other goals they have for their communities besides bringing in more diverse people. Sri wonders if they go back and look at audience numbers as an indication of brand propagation. [00:17:05] Caroline explains to us what the Community Engagement Challenge is and what she did with the program. [00:18:46] Paul shares with us about market share, user base, and his thoughts on those metrics. [00:25:34] Caroline and Kristi tell us from a marketing perspective, how well their community is doing in terms of community health and what metrics they use in that communication. [00:28:33] We end with the guests each telling us the one metric they would like to see and what it would be. Also, find out where you can connect with them online to follow their work. Value Adds (Picks) of the week [00:31:23] Georg’s pick is making Marzipan. [00:32:10] Sri’s pick is his two black cats. [00:32:39] Caroline’s picks are her dog and a tool used for events called, Indico. [00:33:320] Kristi’s pick is a super cool book called Awareness by Anthony De Mello. [00:34:08] Aniqa’s pick is her nephew sharing what is happening at home. [00:34:20] Neo’s picks are his dog and the CHAOSS Diversity and Inclusion Events Badging Program. [00:35:07] Paul’s picks are Asian cooking and electronic boards for building circuits (linked below). Sponsor SustainOSS Links CHAOSS CHAOSS Project Twitter CHAOSScast Podcast podcast@chaoss.community Aniqa Khokhar Twitter Aniqa Khokhar Linkedin Caroline Henriksen Twitter Caroline Henriksen Linkedin Kristi Progri Twitter Paul Brown Twitter Paul Brown Blog KDE Community Promo’s Long Term Goals GNOME Community Engagement Challenge GNOME Final Challenge Showcase Marzipan Indico Awareness: The Perils and Opportunities of Reality by Anthony De Mello CHAOSS Diversity & Inclusion Event Badging Form Linux Magazine- “Node.js on the Rasp Pi” by Paul Brown Linux Magazine- “Graphical, Scratch-like programming languages for Arduino” by Paul Brown Linux Magazine- “Exploring the new Arduino/Genuino 101” by Paul Brown Linux Magazine- “Up Close with C.H.I.P” by Paul Brown Linux Magazine- “Get your Pi to read analog data” by Paul Brown This episode was recorded with Big Blue Button, a free software web conferencing system.Special Guests: Aniqa Khokhar, Caroline Henriksen, Kristi Progri, Neofytos Kolokotronis, Paul Brown, and Sri.Support CHAOSScast

Panelists Georg Link | Don Marti | Venia Logan Guest Matt Yonkovit Quotes [00:31:22] “We didn’t open source it to get help from the community, to make the product bigger. We open sourced as a freemium strategy; to drive adoption,” quote by MongoDB CEO. [00:37:32] “And I think that hurts the overall willingness for a lot of companies to invest heavily in community because community is a long tail activity. It’s about fostering relationships that last multiple companies. It’s about the fostering relationships that go over many years. And I think that’s a very important and key thing because when you look at marketing, is really designed to how do I get sales to get optimized? How do I get them leads to generate? So I think that’s an important thing to consider, is you’ve got this thing where you’ve got, Hey, I’m looking for the long term health of the community, but the bigger the community I have, the bigger pie that sales, eventually people will come in.” Sponsor SustainOSS Show Notes [00:02:51] Matt tell us what Percona is and what he does there. He also tells us what his day-to-day looks like. [00:05:45] Since Matt’s community seems to be very diverse and spreads across a lot of platforms creating a lot of content, he talks about where all his community facets are how they tie into and generate a lot of the content that supports here in community. [00:09:25] Georg asks Matt if he looks at the health of these communities that they are a part of or what does he look at. [00:14:20] Matt talks about the laws that have been enacted recently and how people have become data hoarders. [00:16:40] We learn about most applications having the consent now on the internet, and Matt talks about schemas and how it’s like an anti-developer thing. [00:21:51] Georg brings up in the CHAOSS project and how they are crafting data policy or privacy policy for their open source project because the idea that we work in the open, the data is available, but some people don’t want them to analyze it even though it’s out there. Georg asks Matt if he has any ideas on this. [00:24:39] Don asks Matt if he finds himself taking private discussions and then going through the work of sanitizing them to the point where they can be shared with the community as a public content resource. [00:26:28] Venia wonders if Matt has a specific policy or data destruction point for their support tickets. Matt talks about having to implement different encryption schemes. [00:28:44] Matt shares his thoughts on open source licenses around databases. He mentions a talk he did at FOSDEM recently on “The Death of Openness and Freedom.” [00:35:55] Venia talks about metrics and putting together a dashboard for your community, and then asks Matt if he would say a lot of this could be cut off if you were to look at Metrics A rising and Metrics B lowering in proportion. [00:39:42] From the point of view of a developer who’s starting a new project, Don wonders how to balance the data base option against the option of running an open source database and managing it yourself. Matt explains database service being both a good thing and a bad thing all at the same time. [00:43:09] Matt tells us where we can find him online and more about his talks, blog, and podcast. Value Adds (Picks) of the week [00:44:07] Georg’s pick is Graphic novels to encourage reading. [00:44:37] Venia’s pick is a free book on communicationcache.com called, Virtual Teams That Work. [00:45:30] Matt’s pick is he’s excited to see ARM processors benchmarks. [00:46:27] Don’s pick is an open source project called Pi-hole. Links CHAOSS CHAOSS Project Twitter CHAOSScast Podcast podcast@chaoss.community Matt Yonkovit Twitter Matt Yonkovit Linkedin The HOSS Talks FOSS Podcast-YouTube Percona Blog FOSDEM ’21- “The Death of Openness and Freedom? Open Source Under Attack” with Matt Yonkovit-FOSDEM FOSDEM ’21- “The Death of Openness and Freedom? Open Source Under Attack” with Matt Yonkovit-YouTube SCALE 19x-Southern California Linux Expo Virtual Teams That Work-Creating Conditions For Virtual Team Effectiveness Pi-holeSpecial Guest: Matt Yonkovit.Support CHAOSScast