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Dive into the AI conundrum with Matt Germonprez, Brian Proffitt, and Ashley Wolf as they discuss AI's impact on OSPOs, generative tools, workload for maintainers, and the quality of contributions. Explore challenges of aligning policies, distinguishing human from AI contributions, and the potential benefits and risks AI brings to open source projects. A mix of optimism and caution sets the tone for the AI-integrated future of open source.

Thank you to the folks at Sustain for providing the hosting account for CHAOSSCast! CHAOSScast – Episode 80 On today’s episode of CHAOSScast, we focus on the experiences and initiatives of the Open Source Program Office at the U.S. Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS). Host Dawn Foster is joined by Sean Goggins along with guests, Remy DeCausemaker, Natalia Luzuriaga, Isaac Milarsky, and Aayat Ali, all from various backgrounds within the CMS, who share insights into their efforts in maintaining and promoting an open source culture within federal services. Key discussion points include the launch of the CMS’s first open source program office, the development of a maturity model framework to evaluate open source projects, the creation of tools such as Repo Scaffolder and Duplifier to support open source practices, and efforts towards open source software security. This episode emphasizes the distinct aspects of opens source work in government settings compared to the private sector and highlights upcoming presentations at conferences. Download this episode now to hear more! [00:02:21] Dawn asks about the team’s work at the U.S. Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services. We start with Remy, who explains the launch of the first open source program office at a federal agency in the U.S. and details CMS’s mission to improve healthcare experience for over 150 million people and the role of the digital service within CMS. [00:05:36] Natalia discusses the maturity model framework developed to assess the open source maturity level of projects. She describes a “Repo Scaffolder” tool created in collaboration with the U.S. digital response to help projects align with the majority model, and she speaks about additional features for public repositories to aid in development. [00:10:51] Isaac takes over, explaining how they use Auger metrics and “Nadia labeling” to categorize projects and encourage the adoption of their maturity model. He details a metrics website that provides visual representations of project health and activity and introduces “Duplifier,” a deduplication tool for healthcare data, which uses an open source library called Splink. [00:15:14] Sean inquires how they actualize their user needs in metrics visualization and about the process that informs the creation of these visual metrics. Isaac addresses front-end design aspects of metric visualization and the importance of making the metrics understandable at a glance. Natalia emphasizing designing for both technical and non-technical stakeholders, ensuring metrics are clear and understandable. [00:17:44] Aayat discusses her role in strategy development and the creation of a CMS OSPO guide. She emphasizes advocacy withing CMS for open source and plans to conduct workshops and usability testing to determine which metrics are most valuable to stakeholders. [00:19:23] Remy talks about consulting with the chief information security officer and the chief information officer for internal metric priorities and engaging with an external OSPO metrics working group convened by CHAOSS for broader insights. [00:20:47] Dawn asks Remy for more details on the differences with government engagement in open source to the corporate environments. Remy describes the early journey of OSPOs at the federal level and contrasts it with his private sector experience. [00:25:18] Sean asks about what success would look like a year from now for the OSPO group’s work. Remy acknowledges the limited four-year term for digital service members, emphasizing the urgency to execute and make an impact within the next year. He highlights the transformative impact of Isaac and Natalia’s entrance into the program and the successful shipping of the metrics website, a deduplication tool, and other repositories. [00:27:50] Isaac envisions success as propagating maturity models and open source standards throughout the government, demonstrating value to stakeholders, and growing the OSPO. Natalia is excited to share their foundational OSPO work and contribute to open data initiatives and mentions speaking this year at the Linux Foundation Open Source Summit and PyCon about their work. Aayat defines success as achieving goals in source code stewardship, understanding the maturity and content of repositories, and supporting the team in communicating the value of open source. [00:29:53] Remy brings up Nadia Eghbal giving her credit for influential work and mentioning a team book club inspired by her writings. Value Adds (Picks) of the week: [00:32:39] Dawn’s pick is Beat Saber for indoor workouts. [00:33:05] Sean’s pick is the HBO max show, True Detective, Season 4. [00:33:22] Remy’s pick is the BRAVO Hackathon Series he recently attended. [00:38:14] Natalia’s pick is visiting her local library and getting a library card. [00:38:39] Aayat’s pick is a good book she read called, “Demon Copperhead.” [00:39:36] Isaac’s pick is enjoying the nice weather and getting outside. **Panelists: Dawn Foster Sean Goggins Guests: Remy DeCausemaker Natalia Luzuriaga Isaac Milarsky Aayat Ali Links: CHAOSS CHAOSS Project X/Twitter CHAOSScast Podcast podcast@chaoss.community Georg Link Website Dawn Foster X/Twitter Sean Goggins X/Twitter Remy DeCausemaker X/Twitter Remy DeCausemaker LinkedIn Natalia Luzuriaga LinkedIn Isaac Milarsky LinkedIn Aayat Ali LinkedIn Aayat Ali Website CMS.gov Digital Service at CMS (DSACMS)-GitHub Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services-GitHub United States Digital Corps Splink Repo Scaffolder-GitHub Metrics Dashboard for CMS Open Source Projects Repo Metrics Website github-ospo The Linux Foundation Open Source Summit-April 16-18, 2024, Seattle, WA PyCon US-May 15-23, 2024-Pittsburgh, PA Nadia Asparouhova (aka Nadia Eghbal) Website Working in Public: The Making and Maintenance of Open Source Software by Nadia Eghbal Roads and Bridges: The Unseen Labor Behind Our Digital Infrastructure by Nadia Eghbal CHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 77: Open Source Metrics at Microsoft Beat Saber True Detective-Season 4 (HBO max) BRAVO Hackathon Series Demon Copperhead by Barbara KingsolverSpecial Guests: Aayat Ali, Isaac Milarsky, Natalia Luzuriaga, and Remy DeCausemaker.Support CHAOSScast

Researchers discuss their experiences with CHAOSS metrics and software, emphasizing standardization for consistency. They explore challenges in metric definitions, bridging academia and industry, and the importance of collaboration. The podcast also touches on data privacy, cultural context in data analysis, and the impact of CHAOSS metrics on open-source communities.

Thank you to the folks at Sustain for providing the hosting account for CHAOSSCast! In this collaboration between the CHAOSS Cast and Mechanical Ink podcasts, hosts Dawn Foster and Schalk Neethling are joined by guests Daniel Izquierdo and Sean Goggins to discuss open source community health metrics. The focus is on providing an overview of two projects under the CHAOSS (Community Health Analytics for Open Source Software) umbrella - GrimoireLab and Augur. These open source tools gather data from diverse sources and analyze it to provide insights into open-source community health. The episode brings together two fascinating open source projects - GrimoireLab and Augur - that aim to provide insights into the health of open-source software communities. By gathering data from various platforms and channels, and analyzing contributor activity, issues, pull requests, and conversations, these projects shine a light on the inner workings of open-source projects. You have Sean Goggins, a university researcher who co-created Augur to dissect community interactions at scale. Then you have Daniel Izquierdo whose startup Bitergia built GrimoireLab to offer open source analytics as a service. Both share insightful stories on the evolving landscape of inner source and metrics-driven community management. It's a great listen for anyone involved in running open-source projects or communities. Beyond project leads, the conversation also touches on why understanding community health is vital today for enterprise adopters to track their dependencies and influence. And as Dawn Foster from CHAOSS chips in, you get an important reminder to not get carried away chasing tools without clarity on what specific questions you want answered from the underlying data. Overall, a stimulating mix of history and future direction on using metrics to guide open-source communities toward greater sustainability. Guests Daniel Izquierdo: Co-founder and CEO of Bitergia, co-founder of CHAOSS, President of InnerSource Commons Sean Goggins: Professor of Computer Science at the University of Missouri, maintainer of Augur software package in CHAOSS Key Topics Discussed Origins and goals of the CHAOSS project Overview of GrimoireLab Overview of Augur Supporting analysis across diverse data sources Focus areas and roadmaps Getting involved in the projects Links Mentioned CHAOSS (chaoss.community) GrimoireLab (grimoirelab.github.io) Augur (augurlabs.io) Cauldron instance (cauldron.io) Public Augur instance (metrics.chaoss.io) OSS Compass (oss.compass.community) Special Guest: Schalk Neethling.Support CHAOSScast

Join the panelists from various universities as they discuss the relationship between open source software and university missions, the role of libraries in supporting OSS, and the collaborative culture fostering community and innovation. They explore the challenges and promises of developing universities OSPOs and highlight the potential of OSS in enhancing educational experiences and research output.

In this episode, Dawn Foster hosts a discussion with three guests from Microsoft's Open Source Programs Office: Emma Irwin, James Siri, and Justin Gosses. They talk about how Microsoft measures the health of open source communities, their experiences with the CHAOSS Community, and the critical role of open source within the organization. Topics include metrics, tackling security issues, the value of open source contributions, and tracking and improving processes at Microsoft.

The CHAOSS Project's goals for 2024 and beyond include establishing metrics as international standards, growing the user and contributor communities, rethinking metrics in open source projects, and reflecting on vanity metrics. The speakers also discuss the importance of community engagement and share personal experiences with books and fascinating discoveries.

Anita Ihuman, a developer advocate and technical writer, discusses the usage and effectiveness of DEI metrics in open source communities, including surprising findings such as lack of codes of conduct and DEI as a myth in some projects. They highlight projects using DEI metrics like Apache Traffic Control and emphasize the importance of implementing DEI metrics to enhance inclusivity. The speakers also share personal anecdotes at the end of the podcast.

Panelists Sean Goggins, Yehui Wang, Mike Nolan, and Cali Dolfi discuss the CHAOSS software, Augur, and GrimoireLab. They delve into projects like Augur, OSS Compass, and Project Aspen's 8Knot. The discussion explores the role of CHAOSS software in open source and community health, data visualization, and the transformative potential of Mystic's prototype software for academic contributions. Exciting future projects and the value of diverse perspectives are also highlighted.

The podcast discusses the Linux Foundation Research OSS Maintainers Report, exploring topics such as obtaining a representative sample in open source research, the bias toward technical contributors, and the importance of considering long-term engagement of contributors. They also touch upon best practices, including documentation and diversity, and how these practices can be connected across different categories.