

Business of Apps Podcast
Business of Apps
The Business of Apps podcast brings you actionable insights from the leaders of the global app industry and the world’s fastest growing apps.
App marketing professionals, product managers and developers share the latest approaches to building, marketing and monetizing mobile apps.
Every Monday we have a candid conversation with app industry professionals about specific topic that may cover app marketing, mobile advertising or app development and we also help our listeners to get to know our guests better.
App marketing professionals, product managers and developers share the latest approaches to building, marketing and monetizing mobile apps.
Every Monday we have a candid conversation with app industry professionals about specific topic that may cover app marketing, mobile advertising or app development and we also help our listeners to get to know our guests better.
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Feb 12, 2024 • 40min
#185: How do you scale subscription apps for kids with Luisa Zuleta, Growth Lead at Sago Mini & Toca Boca
Learn how Luisa Zuleta scaled subscription apps for kids, faced marketing limitations, built partnerships, redefined audiences, and optimized LTV. Discover challenges in compliance, adapting to industry changes, and reworking marketing channels. Explore reflections on smartphones, features, and Apple AirTags disappointment.

Feb 5, 2024 • 29min
#184: New regulatory landscape of In-App purchases with Michael Bilotta, Head of Digital Goods & Services at Worldline
There is this joke in Silicon Valley “US tech companies are great in software, Chinese ones are cool in hardware and EU make laws and regulations” Of course, there is always a kernel of truth in every joke and I would say that this one has a pretty big one.
Big Tech has been in a free fly mode since the inception of Google. There have been very few regulations for which you don’t event need fingers on your both hands to count. But things change and right now regulations are coming.
Today Michael will tell us about the EU’s Digital Markets Act - what it is and what are its implications for app developers and publishers.
Today’s Topics Include:
Michael Bilotta's background
What is Worldline
Digital Markets Act: definition and implications for app developers and publishers
Third-party payment systems providers response
The advantages of implementing third-party billing for mobile app developers and publishers
Trialing alternative payment systems with customers in South Korea, implications for the US
What Mike would like to change about the mobile teach the most
Android or iOS?
Leaving his smartphone at home, what features would Mike miss most?
What features she would like to see added to his smartphone?
Links and Resources:
Michael Bilotta on LinkedIn
Worldline website
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Quotes from Michael Bilotta:
"So the Digital Markets Act is multifaceted, and essentially what it's looking to do is regulate the way that big tech can operate in the EU really from the perspective of ensuring that there are not these monopolies that are created because of the fact that these big tech companies are so expensive. "
"So when a payment goes through the traditional app store, it goes into kind of a black box that nobody is super familiar with, nor do we really understand exactly how that payment is being processed. But through a third party payment provider, we can do things like smart routing, where if a transaction fails initially, we can try and route it to another financial institution and see if we can get an acceptance. "
Host
Business Of Apps - connecting the app industry since 2012

Jan 25, 2024 • 48min
#183: Boosting User Engagement and App Retention @ APS Berlin
Another week another bonus episode for you, this time it is the Boosting User Engagement and App Retention panel discussion from our App Promotion Summit Berlin that we hosted back on November 30 last year.
Every app marketer would agree that App Retention is absolutely crucial for a mobile app project to become sustainable.
To address a number of questions about app user engagement and retention we had:
Ioana Iordache, Head of Retention at Blacklane
Tobias Lüder, Head of CRM at Delivery Hero
Isabelle Matuschka, Senior CRM Manager at Blinkist
Niklas Henckell, Head of Community Development at Jodel
Jon Genovard, CRM & Retention Manager at ShareTheMeal, United Nations World Food Programme.
The focus of this panel was on:
✅ real life case studies for retaining app users
✅ measuring app user retention
✅ how of app users habits fit in their usage of apps regularly
Host
Business Of Apps - connecting the app industry since 2012

Jan 22, 2024 • 25min
#182: Your app growth strategy to survive the streaming wars with Chris Puga, SVP Mobile at Creative Clicks
What are you watching these days? The Morning Show or Foundation on Apple TV+? Jack Ryan on Amazon Prime? Are you listening music on Apple Music or Spotify? In other words - we live in a streaming world.
Initially it was cool to have Netflix for all your online movie watching time and now there are Netflix, Amazon Prime, Apple TV, Hulu, Peacock, Paramount Plus, Max (which you may still call HBO Max), Disney +. All these platforms charge you around $10 a month, but when you decide to go with a few of them at the same time, it adds up pretty quickly.
People clearly need to decide what platforms to choose because they both don’t have enough money and don’t have time to watch all of it and so they have to choose. And this is just movies, there are streaming apps for gaming, fitness, podcasts, and more.
In this episode we have Chris to help us out with your app growth strategy to survive these streaming wars.
Today’s Topics Include:
Chris Puga's background
What is Creative Clicks
Why content curation is important for streaming apps
How to make a first impression good while app onboarding
How to make your app users stick to the app
Examples of successful app growth strategies
Takeways
Android or iOS?
Leaving his smartphone at home, what features would Chris miss most?
What features she would like to see added to his smartphone?
Links and Resources:
Chris Puga on LinkedIn
Creative Clicks website
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Quotes from Chris Puga:
"From the brand's perspective, it's simple, like content creation is important because a seamless user experience is no longer a luxury or a nice to have, it's a necessity."
"I think deep linking is a great way to make a good first impression. I think not inundating new users with a lengthy user flow. I think that's huge. That is an amazing way to make a good first impression."
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Jan 18, 2024 • 43min
#181: App Growth Strategies for 2024 @ APS Berlin
Wendy Tai, Ara Salbashian, Alexander Beresford, and Rodolphe Helderwerdt discuss effective team management, market trends, and suggestions for app growth in 2024. They explore topics such as multi-channel approach, localization, incrementality testing, media mix modeling, local preferences, and computational reducibility.

Jan 15, 2024 • 30min
#180: Fitness app growth marketing lessons with Mansi Sharma, VP, Growth Marketing at MyFitnessPal
Mansi Sharma, VP, Growth Marketing at MyFitnessPal, shares lessons on growing and keeping the app in shape. Topics include proper research, ad creative and targeting, scaling mobile user acquisition, assessing budget spending, testing marketing campaign hypotheses, and effective competition.

Jan 8, 2024 • 47min
#179: App Subscription A/B Testing best practices with Steve P. Young, Founder at App Masters
Like with many things in business, when it comes to app marketing people either rely on data to make decisions or listen to their gut feeling. We are strongly suggesting to do the former, we encourage you to do your best to keep it rational and follow the data, be a scientist in your field.
In this episode, Steve will make the case for you showing what A/B testing reveals about app engagement, paywalls, and more. This episode is special to celebrate the beginning of 2024 - you can either listen it here or actually watch it on our YouTube channel.
Today’s Topics Include:
Steve P. Young background
What is App Masters
What does A/B testing reveal about app engagement?
Is introducing a paywall on onboarding a great idea?
Do discounts for app subscriptions work?
The significance of customization
Hard and soft paywalls
The right number of plans for app subscriptions
What A/B testing tells us about an efficient Call-To-Action
What Steve would like to change about app industry
Takeaways
Links and Resources:
Steve P. Young on LinkedIn
App Masters website
Video version of the episode on YouTube
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Quotes from Steve P. Young:
"Now I had Yeva from Headway, the product manager. And she said when you have a longer onboarding, we've actually seen our clients from their data that longer onboardings actually lead to higher conversions. Yes, there will be more drop offs, but the people actually make it all the way through will actually subscribe. And the people who drop out, they were never probably going to subscribe it anyways. "
"I mean, frankly, in life, just think like a scientist, like everything is an experiment. We have a hypothesis, which may come from our gut, but we're going to test it out, and then we're going to let data decide."
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Jan 2, 2024 • 30min
#178: Using Generative AI to boost your monetization strategy with Jenny Kay Pollock, Mobile App Expert
Generative Pre-trained Transformer or better known to you as ChatGPT. This Generative AI, based on a large language model, was launched by OpenAI on November 30th last year.
You might have heard about OpenAI’s very recent turmoil with its CEO, Sam Altman’s firing and re-hiring 5 days later. Of course such a twist with a company worth 80$ billion grabbed your attention.
Speaking of money - how Generative AI can help you to boost your app’s monetization strategy?
It’s a good question and we have Jenny to help us to figure it out.
Today’s Topics Include:
Jenny Kay Pollock background
Jenny's take on the current state of Generative AI
How app developers and brand can figure out if Generative AI is a good fit for their app
How Generative AI can help with app monetization
How to create effective prompts for Generative AI
What Jenny would like to change about app marketing
Takeaways
Links and Resources:
Jenny Kay Pollock on LinkedIn
A free AI Prompt Engineering worksheet to help you save time and boost app revenue with AI support.
Women and AI (WAAI) on LinkedIn
www.womenandai.com - join a community focused on advancing the field of artificial intelligence by empowering and amplifying the voices of women in technology.
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Quotes from Jenny Kay Pollock:
"AI’s power to drive business growth is exciting! Organizations and individuals can partner with generative AI to create something better or faster!"
"AI is not going to take your job. You’re just going to have to partner with it. Collaborate with the AI to supercharge your efforts."
"The [AI] technology is moving fast and things like corporate governance and legislation can be slow to catch up. Your board should be talking about AI strategy and AI policies."
"AI is a new frontier and with that comes a new opportunity for more diversity."
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Dec 18, 2023 • 32min
#177: Preventing App Subscriber Churn with Vahe Baghdasaryan, Sr. Growth Marketing Manager at CoinStats
App user acquisition is so important across mobile platforms, countries and languages - we all understand the challenge and significance of connecting your app with users.
We also are pretty familiar, way more than we would like to, with the notion of a mobile app churn.
This infamous situation when people, users of your app you spent so much energy to find, abandon the app.
In this episode, we will be talking about how to prevent app subscriber churn in particular. When people leave your paid app it’s a problem but not as big as when they pay you a subscription fee and they stop using your app.
Today’s Topics Include:
Vahe Baghdasaryan background
What is CoinStats today
What is App Subscriber churn
Unintentional users churn and how to mitigate it
Intentional users churn and how to mitigate it
App Analytics tools Vahe suggests
Switching the tables: the case when Vahe was an app user who was persuaded to stick to the app
Android or iOS?
Leaving his smartphone at home, what features would Vahe miss most?
What features he would like to see added to his smartphone?
Links and Resources:
Vahe Baghdasaryan on LinkedIn
CoinStats company
Vahe's coaching page
Vahe's course
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Quotes from Vahe Baghdasaryan:
"Subscriber churn is inevitable, but implementing the right interventions can make it healthy."
"Giving this your customers a grace period is always a good idea. Another very important thing here is incorporating life cycle marketing in terms of transactional communication with the users that you fail to charge. For example, if you fail to charge, send them an email notification that says your payment didn't go through. "
"So the biggest takeaway from here is like if you're gonna ask them to update their billing information, there's something that is that has a lot of friction in it. And your strategy should be also how am I gonna like minimize the friction? "
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Dec 11, 2023 • 40min
#176: A Mobile Consumer Behaviors landscape with Paul Neto, co-founder, Chief Marketing Officer at Measure Protocol
Ok, if you work in a brick-and-mortar mall you can see your customers in person daily and you even have a chance to know some of them better than others.
If you own a mobile app, you stare at your laptop’s screen and you better have a good consumer intelligence platform in hand to have a clue about what people use your app, so you can serve them well.
In this episode we have Paul to talk about his company’s “AppLife Report 2023 Vol. 2” report that talks about app users’ behavior.
Today’s Topics Include:
Paul Neto's background
What is Measure Protocol today
Bird-view on the AppLife Report 2023 Vol. 2
Generational differences in app preferences
TikTok users' behavior
Customers' journeys
Priority engagement for mobile apps
Top 5 trends
What Paul would like to change about the ad tech today
Android or iOS?
Leaving his smartphone at home, what features would Paul miss most?
What features he would like to see added to his smartphone?
Links and Resources:
Paul Neto on LinkedIn
Measure Protocol company
AppLife Report 2023 Vol. 2
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Quotes from Paul Neto:
" And I think we're just in the early stages and maybe underappreciate some of the changes that are being driven by TikTok. So, for example, the volume is immense. If you look at younger audiences, they're browsing about 5,400 videos a month. Older audience, it's around, 1,600 videos. That's a massive amount of content. Secondly, actual engagement with the app is, through the ceiling."
"And so we look at what are some of the top apps that people use when they first pick up the phone. And we see often it's for communication for across for all the generations. So things like messaging, Snapchat or even Discord tend to be ranked relatively high, of the reason why you pick up this device. So it often ends up being communication or some kind of entertainment. And entertainment will be things like Instagram, TikTok and YouTube. All those tend to bubble to the top."
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