Send us a textEpisode 11: Award-winning science journalist & author Florence Williams shares insights she learned during her journey through the heartbreak of her divorce and writing a memoir about it. She discusses the physical impacts heartbreak has on our bodies and how our openness to beauty aids in our recovery.  When her 25-year marriage ended, Florence Williams said she felt “axed in the heart” and like her body had been “plugged into an electrical socket.” Her latest award-winning book, Heartbreak: A Personal and Scientific Journey, chronicles the exploration of her own heartbreak and that of others. Florence’s writing has appeared in the New York Times, National Geographic, Outside, and numerous other outlets. She’s also the author of The Nature Fix: How Nature Makes Us Happier, Healthier, and More Creative.  Florence is a certified forest-therapy guide and leads retreats focused on building a nurturing and reciprocal relationship with nature. Connect with Florence on Instagram @florence99 or learn more about her on her website http://www.florencewilliams.com/In this episode, (in order) we talked about…*Different kinds of heartbreak: personal, geographical and collective*How our cells listen for loneliness and other ways our bodies respond to heartbreak *Why people who go through divorce have an increased risk for several diseases*The difference between how her body reacted to her mom’s death & her divorce*How long it takes to recover from heartbreak *Why it’s important to spend enough time healing after trauma like heartbreak*The Museum of Broken Relationships & ritualizing our breakups *How our openness to beauty makes us more resilient and how to micro-dose on awe*The process of writing her book as she was grappling with her heartbreak   Quotes: “If you feel lonely and unsupported, your nervous system is going to respond to that by pumping out more inflammation….Our bodies know we are more at risk for threat when we feel lonely.” “There was no one thing that made me feel instantly better. Research shows on average it takes four years for people who are divorced to return to baseline health…And for some people it’s going to take longer…There’s no one way to grieve.” “One of the myths I bust in the book is that you shouldn’t start another relationship too soon or that you need to heal before you go back out there in the dating world. I don’t think that’s true. You never really get to a point where you are fully healed, so you might as well do that healing with someone else if you can find someone else who is going to be supportive.”“The beauty in life is in the growth that happens after trauma. When we can open our hearts back up, then we can realize our full humanity." “We know from brain imaging studies that people who are more prone to awe also have more connections in different parts of their brains. There’s some ability they have to take their own personal pain and put it in perspective. That really does help them get through the suffering.” “People who are parts of our lives, they’re always going to be parts of our lives. You don’t just hit a switch and they’re gone.”Order Florence’s book, Heartbreak: A Personal & Scientific Journey hereLearn more about the Museum of Broken Relationships hereLet's connect: www.amandajmccracken.com  

Send us a textEpisode 10: Cassie Fulmer Brown discusses longing in relationship to her five-year battle with breast cancer and why it’s important to “Go small and go now!”Five years ago, Cassie Fulmer Brown got her first mammogram at age 40 despite having no signs or symptoms of cancer. She was diagnosed with ERPR-positive and HER2-negative breast cancer. Following the diagnosis, Cassie and her husband David drastically changed their lifestyles (quitting their jobs and selling their house) to fight the cancer. Cassie left her high-stress market researcher position in the consumer-packaged goods industry. Now, she and her husband travel around the country and share their adventures on their YouTube channel Cissy and Bud. When Cassie isn’t dealing with cancer treatments or traveling, she’s boating, reading, doing yoga, or busy being a stepmom. She is a promoter of and speaker for Pink Ribbon Girls. Connect with Cassie on Instagram @cissyandbud In this episode, (in order) we talked about…*Cassie’s journey with cancer from the first diagnosis  to the second diagnosis and the actions she’s taken (surgeries, drugs, chemo, radiation) *How both she and her husband changed their lifestyles to decrease stress once diagnosed*How cancer has strengthened her relationship with her husband and family *Her approach to sharing her story on social media *Advice she has for someone going through a cancer diagnosis *The “Tara List” that grew into the “Cassie List” *What you can do to support a friend going through breast cancer  *How her genetic testing results prompted her to do the double mastectomy  *The photo shoot she did before the mastectomy*The importance of self-breast exams despite varying medical opinions *The good and the bad in going through cancer treatment the second time around *How she now makes small adventures out of everything Quotes:  “When I think about the life before cancer, I wish I could fall asleep without worrying if the cancer is going to spread or come back....The biggest thing (I long for) would be my body pre-cancer, before the surgeries and chemo and other drugs I take. But I try not to stay there too long because I know I can’t get that back.” “We both quit our jobs. He wanted to be able to go to every appointment with me. He likes to call it a sabbatical to fight cancer.” “I’ve also had two people get mammograms because of my diagnosis who were then diagnosed as well. So, they were happy they went and got an early diagnosis. I like when people reach out to me like that because it helps me to have something positive come from such a negative experience.”“If you know anyone going through cancer, or anything hard in life, say something. Say anything. The only caveat I would say would be try not to tell them a story of someone who died from cancer…. even if it’s a different kind of cancer. Just keep that one to yourself.” “Don’t say anything to a breast cancer patient on getting a boob job. It’s not what it is. It’s a major surgery…It’s not like you’re going to have this new set that’s going to look fabulous. It’s definitely emotional.” “Wear it now, do it now. I have this necklace that David gave to me on my wedding day I used to never wear. Now I barely even take it off. I don’t know what I was saving it for.” “I’m constantly scanning my body. So I’m more aware of my body because I have to be.”Resources mentioned in this episode: Cassie’s favorite post-surgery pajama top: Soma Cool Nights The book that made Cassie go vegan: How Not to Die by Michael Greger M.D. Great caps for when you're bald:  www.chemobeanies.com  Let's connect: www.amandajmccracken.

Send us a textEpisode 9: In this Valentine’s Day special, Dave speaks with Amanda about how their relationship developed from meeting to getting married, the pivotal moments during their 11-month-courtship, and the importance of seeing a couple’s therapist.  Dave  Butler is my husband, life partner, and the father of our child Moorea. He is also an environmental scientist, project manager, and geologist. Originally from Long Island, Dave was a drummer in a NYC-based band called Nuclear Cream Cheese. He is an ultra mountain trail runner, a New York Yankees fan, and a reformed Catholic.  In this episode, (in order) we talked about…*How longing transpires in our lives*How we met each other before we really met each other*The questionable rebound zone*Our first date and our first kiss (his firsts in 20 years)*His “freedom tour" plan following his divorce*Communicating versus playing games in relationships (work or personal)*How he first met my parents and grandma in Ohio without me*His first response to learning I was a 40-year-old virgin*Visiting our respective therapists together in the first two months of dating*Our four-day trip to Paris*The moments we revealed our love for each other in spoken and written word*Our response to having sex for the first time together*The marriage proposal*Why we see a therapist once a month*Dangers and benefits in comparing past relationships *Advice he’ll give our daughter on love and relationships  Let's connect: www.amandajmccracken.com

Send us a textEpisode 8: Hillary Allen explains how longing, through the lens of perfectionism, can positively fuel athletes or destroy them.Hillary Allen is a professional ultra trail runner for Brooks and a gravel cyclist for Scuderia Pinarello. Hillary has raced all over the world excelling in a discipline known as Skyrunning. She earned the nickname "Hillygoat" for her ability to run fast on steep and technical terrain. Over the course of her career she has racked wins and course records from the 50km distance all the way to 100 mile trail races. However, in 2017 Hillary had a life-threatening accident where she fell 150 feet off of a ridge-line during a race in Tromsø, Norway, breaking 14 bones and being told she would never run again. After an intense recovery period, she not only returned to running but she’s back on the podium again! Hillary  has her masters in neuroscience and physiology. Connect with Hillary at www.hillaryallen.comIn this episode, (in order) we talked about…*The relationship between longing and endurance sports*Her life-threatening 150-foot fall at a race where she was ranked number one*How the accident changed her relationship with perfectionism*How talk therapy helps rewire our brains *Her struggle in college with an eating disorder*Techniques to personify characteristics like fear and perfectionism*The hardest part of her recovery: comparing herself to her former self*Falling in love with the process, not just focusing on the goal*“Death before DNF”*How longing has motivated her training and racing*The importance of perpetually being in the present moment Quotes: “As an ultra trail runner and gravel cyclist, I have this insatiable curiosity to determine the limits of my potential as it relates to travel on foot in these 100-mile races through the mountains or on two wheels through the gravel roads...” “With one step the ground gave way beneath my feet and the horizon was spinning upside down….I remember the world slowing down….I remember hitting the side of the mountain several times before I passed out along the way.”“I remember longing to know if I was ok. I knew I was moving my legs, so I wasn’t paralyzed. But I’d never seen that look of fear in faces I knew before. I was convinced I was dying. I remember asking in the helicopter if I was going to be ok…There was an unbearable since of urgency.”“I want to be excellent. I was faced with the reality that that might not happen ever again.”“(Perfectionism) can be my biggest asset and my worst enemy.”“I was holding myself up to a standard that wasn’t realistic, in particular for my body, and for anyone in general. I was able to realize it was unhealthy. It was exhausting to live inside my mind.”“We are in this world where we are defined by our last best result….Something that has helped me (as a goal oriented person) is to fall in love with the process. Each day is an opportunity to be my best.” “I’m asked the question, ‘Is it really worth killing yourself, literally or figuratively, to go after a goal?’…To me that’s an invitation to ask, ‘WHY do you want to do something? Is it for interval validation or external validation? How far are you willing to sacrifice parts of yourself to reach the goal?’”“Knowing that, regardless whether you finish or not, you’re still a worthwhile person, is very difficult….It's the ultimate wisdom and freedom to be able to walk away from something knowing you’re not a worse person for not finishing said task." Hillary's timeless mantra: "Believe in the best athletic days ahead of you." Let's connect: www.amandajmccracken.com

Send us a textEpisode 7: Nika Kabiri speaks about the role longing plays in decision-making in both healthy and unhealthy ways, how to deal with anticipatory regret, and when to address inaction inertia.  Nika Kabiri has spent over 20 years studying how people make decisions in a variety of contexts, from relationships to business to politics. She is an author and speaker who’s written for The Hill, been featured in Fast Company and Yahoo!, and quoted in The Washington Post. Her website, yournextdecision.com, offers practical advice to people seeking to make better decisions for a better life. Nika has a PhD in Sociology, with a focus on choice theory, as well as a JD. Connect with Nika at: https://www.yournextdecision.com/In this episode, (in order) we talked about…*How emotions impact decision making*The role of the gut in decision making, and when to strictly rely on your gut*Decisions with a high or a low tolerance for error*Decision fatigue in relation to the pandemic and why we relied on conspiracy theories*Setting boundaries around decisions to protect your mental health*The connection between longing and the scarcity trap*How to overcome the fear of regret *How culture tricks us into believing we are in control of outcomes*How to respond to those who tell you you’re an overthinker*Why we should look for information, not advice, from our friends*How inaction inertia keeps us from changing our decision-making patterns*The difference between a decision-making scientist and a therapistQuotes: “Longing is an emotional reaction to experiencing a gap between where you crave to be and where you are. It’s the emotional experience you feel when that gap seems insurmountable.”“I like to think of longing as a data point. One bit of information you need to consider as you decide how to move through your life. If you experience a longing, you have to pay attention to it.” “When people say, ‘I have to live my best me,’ and ‘I have to follow my bliss,’---it drives me up a wall. It’s insensitive. The reality is people rely on you to survive in a way, and you can’t ignore that.”“When we are in a situation of uncertainty, that’s when we start to use heuristics (mental shortcuts) rather than relying on information.”“Longing can be a very comfortable place to be (when there are unknowns). We tend to fear regrets and risks. We get stuck in longing because we don’t know what decisions to make along the way."“For a long time I longed for a particular house. Now I have it. I longed for a particular type of career. Now I have it. It feels worse to not have that longing for it. I want to long for something else now. It’s made me realize that longing may be part of that human experience. To be satisfied, to me anyways, doesn’t feel as great as feeling hungry.” “The perfect outcome is probably unattainable. Your goal should be to maximize your chances. That’s about the process and not the outcomes. It’s about, ‘What can I do in the process of making a decision to make the (desired) outcome as likely as possible?’”“Blame is an answer to, 'Why did something happen?' We think we need answers because the more we feel we understand, the more we feel we have control over the future decisions we make…If you constantly think about YOUR next decision, then you don’t have to be mired in all the blame, shame and meaning making.”“If you find yourself making a certain decision over and over again, the likelihood of making that same decision is more likely in the future….The question is how much do you want to override that tendency for a better life.” Let’s connect:

Send us a textEpisode 6: Veterinarian Bob Irmiger talks about mourning a sick pet before they're even gone, the agonizing decision to euthanize a pet, the process of euthanasia, and how you know when it’s time to let go.  Dr. Bob Irmiger intimately knows the longing pet owners experience before and after euthanizing a loved one. I know from personal experience. Last May, Dr. Bob came to our home to help us release our Shih Tzu's spirit from her ailing body. For over 40 years, Dr. Bob has been caring for pets throughout their life spans. After graduating with honors from Michigan State University’s College of Veterinary Medicine, he accepted an intern position in small animal medicine and surgery at the University of Illinois. Upon completion of his internship, Dr. Irmiger moved to Boulder, Colorado in 1982. He has practiced in the Denver/Boulder area for 40 years. He is currently semi-retired and operating a house-call service. Irmiger has been married for 44 years to his wife, Sally Irmiger. Together they have two children, three grandchildren, two border collies and two shelter dogs.  In this episode, we talked about…*Worrying you’ve decided to euthanize your pet too soon or too late*The insensitive things friends unintentionally say*How you know when it’s time to say goodbye*How some dogs will hide their pain to hang on longer*The process of euthanizing a pet and the body’s natural responses *How sometimes people just need to be given permission to let go*Dogs’ spirits leaving their bodies prior to medically passing*How longing can impact your decision to keep your pet alive longer than, perhaps, you should*Why you shouldn’t worry about making your vet comfortable during euthanasia*How losing a pet can be more traumatic than losing a parent or spouse*Advice for euthanizing a pet with kids around*Resources for dealing with the grief of losing a petQuotes: “I’ve had people six months or even a year later check in to see if they’d made the right decision…In most cases, they aren’t doing it too soon.” “Some dogs are worn out. Those are the ones that are difficult to know if it’s time.”“Losing the cat was more difficult than losing her husband. She had time to adjust to her husband dying of cancer… the cat’s death was sudden.”“Twenty percent of people call and say they aren’t ready after they’ve made an appt for euthanasia and then they apologize for bothering me. Don’t worry about me.”“I have had people who haven’t been able to pet their dog in weeks because the pet has been in so much pain. With the sedative they’re able to pet them. So, people get time to be with their pet.” “I am more likely to wait too long than any of my clients I take care of. The day before I had to treat her [his own dog] with medication, she was hiding from me because she was sick of me trying to keep her alive.”“Most vets get kinda stupid when it’s their own pet. It’s easy to give people advice when it’s not your pet.”“I’ve learned a lot from hospice nurses. In vet school we weren’t taught how to put a pet to sleep—in terms of how to help people with the loss.” Resources: https://vet.osu.edu/vmc/companion/our-services/honoring-bond-support-resources-pet-ownersLet’s connect: www.amandajmccracken.com 

Send us a textEpisode 5: Writer Tawny Lara speaks about her own sobriety journey, how she became known as the Sober Sexpert, and the benefits to booze-free sex, dating and relationships.  With the help of yoga, meditation, therapy, and writing, Tawny Lara quit drinking in 2015 right before her 30th birthday.  But she says she found that she didn’t know how to date without alcohol. The now 36-year-old NYC-based millennial known as The Sober Sexpert is writing a book called Dry Humping: a Guide to Booze-Free Sex, Dating, and Relationships (Quirk, Summer 2023), a guide book, she says she needed when got sober. Her work is featured in Playboy, Men's Health, Huffington Post, and two essay collections: Sex and the Single Woman (Harper Perennial 2022) and The Addiction Diaries (LaunchPad 2020). She is the co-host of Recovery Rocks podcast and story developer for the Webby-award winning podcast, F*cking Sober.Connect with Tawny at: www.tawnylara.com In this episode, we talked about… The biphasic effect of alcoholThe social and physical benefits of booze-free sex, dating, and relationships Tawny’s journey to sobriety How being a bartender impacted who and how she datedThe false notion of liquid courageWhy you shouldn’t use alcohol to power through sex or mask your sexual identityHow alcohol encourages false longings and numbs true longingsDisassociation during sexWhy it’s important to know what you like and do not like sexually while soberWhy alcohol neurologically makes it hard to truly connect with someoneSober dating ideas (hint: add movement)Quotes: "Binge drinking, that’s just what you do when you are a bar tender.  I was the weird girl bringing shots to a table of people who just wanted to have a glass of wine. ""I didn’t have sober hook ups. And even if I was sober when sleeping with my partners, we were probably hung over or going out for drinks later that night.""When I’m talking about sober sex and dating, it’s not just removing alcohol from the equation but examining the role alcohol plays in your sex, dating, and love life." "Alcohol can numb your longing and also give you a false longing. You might want something drunk that you don’t want when you’re sober.""When I removed myself from the bar scene, I quickly learned who were my friends and who were my drinking buddies.""I am bisexual and I embraced my bisexuality in sobriety. I had several queer friends who have come out in sobriety. It’s common.""The most important part of sober dating is spending time dating yourself, figure out who you are without alcohol, what you like and don’t like.""I woke up one day and realized that my drinking was standing in the way of me working on my writing. TV and film make it seem like you have to lose everything before you quit drinking. I saw where my life was going and didn’t want to go there, so I got ahead of it."Resources: Sober Dating 101: A Guide to Romance and Sex to the Newly SoberLet's Connect: www.amandajmccracken.com

Send us a text Episode 4: Executive Coach Vivian James Rigney speaks about the loneliness and negative inner dialogue he encountered during his two-month climb of Mount Everest and what it taught him about vulnerability, authenticity, and legacy.Vivian James Rigney is President and CEO of Inside Us LLC, an executive coaching consultancy. He is known for building strong rapport with people and asking tough and incisive questions. A graduate of École Nationale Des Ponts et Chaussées in Paris, he is a renowned speaker on mindset and behavior, whose talks have inspired audiences globally.  The Irishman recounts this life-changing experience on Mount Everest in his new book, Naked at the Knife-Edge: What Everest Taught Me About Leadership and the Power of Vulnerability  Connect with Vivian: https://vivianjamesrigney.com/  In this episode, we talked about....The Seven Summits he climbed The importance of creating a team of people who share similar values The moment he thought he was going to die looking at the knife edgeHow the experience climbing Mount Everest impacted who and how he datedHow he reconnects with the self-compassion he experienced climbing Mt EverestThe inner dialogue in our minds that spits out soundbites of self-judgementThe butterflies he noticed during his climb at 25,000 feet Being raised in a culture where vulnerability is seen as a weaknessAdvice he has for people stuck longing and afraid to take risksQuotes:  "Longing is something which is anemic to the present. It brings our minds back to things we experienced in the past or things we want to experience in the future. It holds us prisoner to something that doesn’t exist.""The first goal of climbing Mount Everest is coming down alive." "This voice came to me deep within my core and it asked, “Why are you here?” And I did not know.... The moment I thought of my [deceased] brother, the noise went away. I felt peace. I thought, 'If I pass here, then I’m with him.'  My inner dialogue went from ten out of ten to two out of ten. " “If [danger] is some sort of addictive thing and we use that fear of death to search for something we aren’t finding, I ask, 'What’s getting in the way of you being alive today?'" "If longing lives rent free in our heads, then it’s burning energy and time. It’s not allowing us to be in the present which is not allowing us to be ourselves."  "I felt liberated in realizing I could be both vulnerable and strong at the same time.""At my memorial, I hope people won’t talk about all my bloody achievements. My wish is for people to remember how I made them feel. If I achieve that, maybe I’ll leave a little ding on the universe.."Links/Resourceshttps://mountaintrip.com/Let’s Connect: www.amandajmccracken.com

Send us a textCecilia (name changed for privacy) is a writer, gardener, and competitive runner. She is currently exploring recovery from her eating disorder and how that relates to her desire for food and other desires she has long considered forbidden weaknesses. At the age of 14, she became blind as a result of a car accident. She says she had to learn to be tough and live without many things most people take for granted.  But the theme of denial started earlier in her life when her eating disorder began at the age of 8. Losing her sight reinforced her sense of living with loss. It wasn’t until she was 30 that she sought out treatment. In this episode, I speak with Cecilia before and after her three-month visit to an inpatient treatment center—her third one.  The post-treatment part of the interview starts at 28:00.In this episode, we talked about…Satisfaction vs LongingHow religion encourages longing and whether or not it’s healthyLonging to see colorThe difference between mourning a loss and longing for something you never hadWhether blindness is an obstacle to overcome or identityThe role fear and control play in eating disorders The difference between eating disorders and other addictive disordersLetting go of the proverbially log to grab the life raftHow resisting eating and smelling food helps her protect herself from some memories associated with food and how binging on food allows her to soothe other memoriesWhat the Minnesota Starvation Experiment says about longing (mind vs body)How we have to retrain our brain when negative patterns become ingrainedQuotes“Longing is desperately wanting something that is missing, not necessarily something you can’t have. I don’t long for a different reality because I can’t imagine it.” “My blindness is core to who I am. I am not expected to overcome being a woman or the fact I live in the United States. It bothers me that people think I should overcome my blindness.”“I long to see colors again, but I know it’s never going to happen again. I have a concept of them in my head, but I worry that my own concept is limited. I want to have the experience that goes beyond my imagination. My imagination is not limited by reality.”“Food is something I desperately crave, like security, comfort, & belonging. All of these are things food, taste, and smell can provide us. I do long for those things, but I can’t think about it because it’s too terrifying. If I were to want all those things, I feel like I wouldn’t be able to function. So I need to tell myself that I don’t deserve or need those things.”“I replace food with power and control I get when I can restrict myself from food.”  “You have to let go of the log you’re clinging to in order to grab on to the life raft.”“Ultimately nobody can force you to eat, and you can keep fighting against this thing you are longing for. At some point, you have to choose to say, ‘Here are all those things I’m terrified about and I’m still going to take this chance that I have to eat.’” “At some point, the brain of someone with an eating disorder just doesn’t work properly and there’s no reasoning your way through it. It’s having to go through the process of learning to eat again. It makes me cringe that I’m having to relearn to eat.”“With my eating disorder I’m in this battle between my mind and my body. My body wants and needs food. I either want to deny it or I want to punish it with food by giving it way too much. It’s rare that someone only restricts when they have an eating disorder. It’s usually a combination of both binging and restricting.”Links/Resources: To learn more about the Minnesota Starvation Experiment check out: 

Send us a textEpisode 2: Melissa Lockman, LCSW: Marshall Fire survivor speaks about her family’s experience processing the loss of their home and neighborhood, how everyone grieves differently, and the importance in validating loss and taking time to pauseMelissa Lockman is a Licensed Clinical Social Worker, Somatic Experiencing Practitioner, and maternal and infant mental health expert. She says she has “an exquisite reverence for the ability of humans to heal from trauma.” In addition to her mental health training, Melissa has a master’s degree in Feminist Studies and a bachelor’s in ecology. She is a Libra, a mother to two children (10 & 6 years old), and a wife to her life partner of 26 years. Melissa says she finds balance and connection where it is tenuous or hidden. On December 30th 2021, her family’s home and Cornerstone neighborhood were decimated in the Marshall Fire. She talks about how her family and neighbors are processing the trauma. Connect with Melissa:  Website: www.melissalockman.comIn this episode, we talked about…The “God moment” in their escape—her daughter’s insightThe moment they knew their home was gone & how they told their childrenHow her family members respond & grieve the loss of their home differentlyHow longing tastes differently when there is or isn’t a choice in the changeHer love for popovers and the role of smell in memoryThe painful process of itemizing your entire life for insurance purposesPerspectives on “Marshall Strong” and the terms “survivor” vs. “victim”The outpouring of community helpHow she sees herself as a container to the bodies and souls of her childrenHow to balance a healthy sense of longing without the corrosive nature of obsessingGiving longing a place in time (validate loss and then pause)Quotes“When we drove away from their neighborhood, we could see flames 150 yards away.”“This tragedy would have been a whole other story if we had lost those guinea pigs.”“We all process grief so differently in our family. It was four different universes of experiences all on one couch.”“My daughter screamed and screamed and screamed. My son cried, ‘My Coca-Cola Haribo from my Christmas stocking…’ That was his moment of loss. Then he didn’t want to hear the word fire and wants to pretend we are on vacation.”“We miss the sweet smell of our home on a Saturday morning. One of the first things people sent us was a new popover tin.”“You let people be wherever they are. Grief is so different on the inside than what it looks like from the observer.” “In the past couple of weeks, we have said that we are each other’s home.”" Often, something happens too fast for the nervous system to make sense of something overwhelming. When someone says to me, ‘I really miss that stack of photo albums that I’d been saving forever that I hadn’t scanned,’ I say, ‘Yes, and can we just pause there?’ and let the pause happen so the longing has a place, has a spot in time, and doesn’t get skipped over. If we can just pause in life more, I think it leads to a little more integration.” Links/Resources:The Wild Edge of Sorrow by Francis WellerIt’s OK That You’re Not OK by Megan DevineFor traumatic healing check out www.traumahealing.comLet’s ConnectWebsite: www.amandajmccracken.com