

The Longing Lab
Amanda McCracken
Do you ever find yourself so fixated on longing that you can’t enjoy the present? Longing for a lover, an exotic destination, a lost loved one, or a past time in your life? The Longing Lab takes a deeper look at the science of longing and the culture that drives us to long for what we don’t have. You can expect insightful conversations with individuals uniquely qualified to talk about longing. Host, Amanda McCracken, has written or spoken about her own addiction to longing in national publications like the New York Times, Washington Post, & the BBC. The goal of the Longing Lab is to inspire individuals to make positive changes in their lives. Look for her book, When Longing Becomes Your Lover (Hachette), in February 2026!
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Oct 31, 2023 • 45min
Sociology professor Lisa Wade on the rules of hookup culture and how it stemmed from a stalled sexual revolution
Send us a textEpisode 17 Sociology professor Dr. Lisa Wade takes a deep dive into the history and results of hookup culture on American college campuses based on her research. She reveals the unspoken rules of hookup culture and how the stalled sexual revolution contributed to hookup culture (and in turn young adults having less sex than their parents). Dr. Lisa Wade is an Associate Professor of Sociology at Tulane University. Dr. Wade's publication record includes work on college hookup culture, the sociology of the body, and U.S. discourse about female genital cutting. In 2017, she published American Hookup: The New Culture of Sex on Campus based on her research derived from 101 college students’ journals where they wrote about sex and romance on campus. In the book, Wade maps out a punishing emotional landscape marked by unequal pleasures, competition for status, and sexual violence. She discovers that privileged students tend to enjoy hookup culture the most, and considers its effects on racial and sexual minorities, students who “opt out,” and those who participate ambivalently. Connect with Lisa through her website In this episode, (in order) we talked about…*The pain, danger, freedom, and selfishness involved in hookup culture*The rules of hookup culture*How by the sexual revolution never succeeding in convincing society to value feminine traits it contributed to the creation of the hookup culture*Why hookup culture is distinctly American *How the erotic marketplace and differences in religiosity and economics play a role in who can participate freely in and who is invited and valued into hookup culture *Why being called desperate is worse than being called a prude or a slut*Virginity on campus*What college students are longing for: genuine options Quotes“Most of them (college students hooking up) have this desire for connection, for meaningfulness, for sex that feels emotionally intimate—those feelings are thwarted by hookup culture and the lack of accountability and ambiguousness is sustained by everyone pretending not to care about each other or actively not caring about each other.”"In America fun and being carefree is really tightly connected in our imaginations. But, in order to have sex where nothing you do can come back upon you and require you to take care of others, you have to have it be careless as well as carefree. This is a tricky thing to accomplish given that we know sex is often extremely emotional.""You can flirt and be friendly before a hookup, but during a hookup sex should be hot but not warm. Extended eye contact, caressing, and slow kissing (traits considered feminine) is off script in hookup culture. Sex is supposed to be great but not sweet. “By far the most heartsick people in my research were a couple guys, a straight guy and a gay guy, who really desired to have emotional experiences and struggled to find them.”“Students hookup less and have more criticism of hookup culture as they go through their college experience.” "When the daughters of the women who were young adults in the 60s and 70s got to college in the mid-1990s, they applied the logic that women’s liberation is the right to do anything men do. You apply that to sexuality and you get hookup culture." “There really isn’t a pathway for a relationship that doesn’t go through this hookup period." “Hookup culture isn’t about hooking up with someone you like. It’s about hooking up with someone your friends are going to be impressed by. It’s about status.”“If you have to jump into the deep end to have sex at all, then it makes sense that people are having less sex than before because it’s scarier.

Sep 28, 2023 • 50min
Break Free Together founder Linda Kay Klein on the damage caused by purity culture and what recovery involves
Send us a textEpisode 16 Purity culture recovery coach Linda Kay Klein explains how difficult it is to shed the teachings of purity culture. Using her personal experience and those of the many women she interviewed for her book, Linda discusses how purity culture encouraged longing for a perfect mate, how repression of emotions manifests in our bodies, and how to develop an endoskeleton of sexual ethics.Linda Kay Klein is author of Pure: Inside the Evangelical Movement that Shamed a Generation of Young Women and How I Broke Free. Today, she is a purity culture recovery coach, and the founder and president Break Free Together, a not-for-profit organization serving individuals recovering from gender- and sexuality-based religious trauma. Linda has spoken around the world from various TEDx stages to The Apollo’s Women of the World Festival. Her work has been featured by over 150 outlets, including the New York Times, NPR, CBS, NBC, and Elle Magazine. Linda is a trained Our Whole Lives (OWL) sexuality education facilitator, and holds an interdisciplinary Masters degree in gender, sexuality and religion from New York University. Linda has one daughter in diapers and another in college. She is married to a writer and social change agent who inspires her every day. Connect with Linda through her websiteIn this episode, (in order) we talked about…*Ways in which purity culture encouraged longing for an ideal partner*How “Letters to My Future Husband” set women up for disappointment*What is virginity and what is sex (what we count and what we don’t)*How even after leaving the evangelical church, she couldn't escape purity culture*How purity culture encouraged perfect performance for reward*To be wanted but not savored*Why and how she wrote her book Pure*How she developed a formula to help others heal from purity culture*How repression of her emotions manifested in her body *An exoskeleton versus an endoskeleton model of sexual ethics*Forms of purity culture (not just Christian)Quotes“I had very specific expectations for what sex meant based on having grown up in purity culture…Not only was it penis and vagina, it was sex that was spiritual, deeply loving, and wildly pleasurable…with that man I’d been longing for—that perfect man, that forever man, that destined man.” "The whole time I was in purity culture, I was called a stumbling clock, a thing over which men and boys could trip. I felt like there were eyes on me all around assessing me, and I came up short."“I would try to have sexual exploration with my long-term boyfriend, and I would break into tears. My eczema would come out from the stress, and I would be scratching until I bled. As we started to get anywhere close to having sex, I started taking pregnancy tests out of fear…”"I no longer walk around with shame, fear, and anxiety…but it still lies there dormant waiting for it to be triggered." "As I’ve worked more on recovery work, I see it all the time: lots of back issues, lots of stomach issues, and other physical issues associated with repression of our emotions, choices and selves...those internal muscles tightening, saying, “Don’t let yourself come out!” "In order to have an endoskeleton sexual ethic, we need to have actual thought processes around our sexual decisions….and safe supportive places to talk about it with people who aren’t so ashamed they can’t look it square in the face." Resources mentioned:When the Body Says No by Gabo

Aug 18, 2023 • 1h 45min
My Father's List author Laura Carney on how completing her late father's bucket list set her free from longing to belong
Send us a textEpisode 15 Author Laura Carney reflects on how years of longing to belong restricted her, but learning to say, “yes,” to completing her late father’s bucket list, set her free from a false narrative. In this intimate interview, Carney discusses luck, spirituality, grief, true love, and trust. When author Laura Carney discovered her father’s bucket list 13 years after he’d been killed by a distracted teen driver, she decided she’d complete the list to honor him. What she didn’t understand was in doing so she’d learn to honor herself. The story became her recently published book, My Father’s List: How Living My Dad’s Dreams Set Me Free. Laura is a journalist and copy editor in New York. She's been published by the Washington Post, the Associated Press, The Hill, Runner's World, People magazine, Guideposts, Good Housekeeping, The Fix, Upworthy, and Maria Shriver’s Sunday Paper. Her work as a copy editor has been primarily in magazines, for 20 years. Connect with Laura through her website bylauracarney.comIn this episode, (in order) we talked about…*How she became an advocate for spreading the word on distracted driving*How and why she “faked normal” while grieving her father’s death*What the movie Back to the Future has to do with redefining the truth about our family and ourselves*The timeline from when her father died to when she learned of the list to when she completed it*Why her father’s absence at her wedding triggered grief all over again*Why both positions (up or down) of horseshoes are different perspectives of luck*Ways in which she felt she was being primed to complete the list years prior to learning it existed*Why becoming a runner was one of the best things she ever did*How committing to saying “yes” freed her*The items on the list of 60 that were the most difficult to accomplish*How her father’s list changed her sense of spirituality *How she kept meeting strangers who distinctly reminded her of her dad *How she relied on signs (often from strangers) *Her writing ritual and how the writing process went the way she needed it to go not the way she expected *Advice she has for people who want to accomplish a loved one’s last wishes Quotes“I developed a difficult relationship with uncertainty, so I narrowed in on perfectionism.”“The desire to be seen as normal, that was really all I wanted—all the time. I thought if you weren’t seen as normal, you weren’t safe. It was a longing to belong.”“When I said yes to the list, my soul was saying yes, yes, yes. I saw my dad’s face in the back of my mind nodding and smiling. I hadn’t had that kind of connection before.”“I was avoiding the story I needed to tell because it was too difficult to tell. Saying yes to the list was the first step... As I learned to say yes, over and over again, I was letting go of the need to be accepted by other people—that longing...”“If we have any part of our parents that we feel we can’t trust, it becomes more difficult for us to learn how to trust ourselves, especially when we’re in their shoes.”“The person (my husband) fell in love with was the girl inside of me who is the real me, not the woman who had so many layers of insecurity, who had become conditioned by the patriarchy to become desirable, like I had no worth as a woman unless I was wanted.”"There’s a difference between longing for something you don’t have because you want to fill an emptiness-- wanting that because it will make you feel better about yourself—that’s an ego pursuit. But feeling called to do something is different because that’s y

Jul 31, 2023 • 46min
"The Wedding Doctor," psychologist Jocelyn Charnas on how longing for the "perfect day" prevents focusing on the relationship
Send us a textEpisode 14: Known in New York City circles as "The Wedding Doctor," Dr. Jocelyn Charnas describes how she helps clients navigate wedding planning and maintain the focus on their relationship/marriage while wading through decision fatigue, feelings of loss, and the unrealistic expectations set forth by social media.Dr. Jocelyn Charnas is a clinical psychologist in private practice in New York City. She treats adults with depression, anxiety, interpersonal difficulties, relationship and adjustment problems, phase-of-life issues, and maladaptive behaviors. She works both with individuals and with couples at a variety of relationship phases including dating, engagement, marriage, divorce contemplation, post-marriage, and co-parenting. Dr. Charnas’ work has been published in several journals including Training and Education in Professional Psychology, GROUP, International Journal of Testing, and Psychotherapy Theory, Research, Practice, Training. She has been interviewed for The New York Times, Women's Health, Elle, Glamour, The Huffington Post, CBS.com, TheKnot.com, and Weddings Illustrated. Connect with Dr. Charnas through her LinkedIn profileIn this episode, (in order) we talked about…*How and why she started her business catering to brides and engaged couples*The pitfalls of idealization that come with Pinterest and Instagram when wedding planning*Normalizing the idea of disappointment and the inevitable letdown after the wedding*How to keep the focus on the relationship and marriage during wedding planning *How to deal with decision fatigue and all the cooks in the kitchen during wedding planning*How she teaches her clients to be critical thinkers and not get sucked in by marketing*The mix of emotions at a wedding, an event that naturally involves lossQuotes: “The attainable part (of longing) is what’s interesting to me because it makes longing an endless loop.” “This idea of perfection is baked into even the most fundamental primary concept of a wedding that it’s supposed to be the best day of your life. Even just that notion puts unrealistic expectations on it”“It (social media) makes us feel that if we don’t achieve that beauty or perfection, not only are we failing, but we aren’t as good as everyone else who seems to be achieving it.”“We have to throw out the idea that it’s possible to avoid disappointment…Feeling it is ok. It’s normal to feel deflation after any important milestone in our lives that we’re dedicating a tremendous amount of energy and emotion and time to.”“This concept of the wedding as the goal or the end—think about how many fairy tales, Disney movies and rom-coms end with the wedding…when that’s such a distortion. The wedding is the beginning of a marriage and life together. I spend a lot of time with my patients trying to reframe it that way.”“It’s impossible to please everyone, but when we zoom in and think about the things that please ourselves and please our partners and satisfy our needs it’s a smaller scope. It’s such good practice for marriage.”"I spend a lot of time with couples to uncover and tune into what about the wedding is a representation of you two. That seems to help with decision fatigue."“They (the industries that fuel the wedding industry) have a vested interest in keeping us longing.”"The pandemic shrunk people’s world...It gave an interesting window into what happens when we have less access to the outside world, and we are more tuned into what we feel inside and what’s important to us.” “Any life transition, any phase of life change, any milestone always has an associated element of loss…be

Jun 29, 2023 • 60min
Neuroscientist Zoe Donaldson on romantic pair bonds & what yearning looks like in the brain
Send us a textEpisode 13: Award-winning neuroscientist Zoe Donaldson explains her research on how romantic bonds in prairie voles are encoded in the brain. She specifically looks at what happens the moment a prairie vole decides to reunite with its partner over another.Dr. Zoe Donaldson is an Associate Professor of Neuroscience at the University of Colorado Boulder where she is the recipient of the NIH New Innovator and the NSF CAREER awards, among others. She joined the faculty after completing a Ph.D. in Neuroscience from Emory University and pursuing post-doctoral training at Columbia University. She studies how close social bonds, such as those that mediate friendships and romantic love, are encoded in the brain. In order to understand the cells and molecules that make bonding possible, her lab uses monogamous prairie voles. Unlike rats and mice, these rodents forms lifelong pair bonds between mates akin to human romantic partnerships. By examining the neurobiology underlying these bonds and what happens when they are lost, she hopes to identify novel treatments for psychiatric and neurodevelopmental disorders. This interview takes place in her office (apologies in advance for less than ideal sound quality) following a tour of her lab. Learn more about Dr. Donaldson through her lab or hereIn this episode, (in order) we talked about…*Desire versus motivation *The role of the nucleus accumbens (part of the brain involved in choices) in longing*Why prairie voles are used for their ability to create lifelong bonds with their mating partners*Why her lab compares friendships to romantic partner bonds in voles*What’s happening in the brain when a prairie vole decides to run to reunite with its partner over a different vole*One scientist studying the genetics of cheating prairie voles vs faithful ones*How her 1st opportunity to design her own experiment contributed to her interest in studying motivation in the brain*What happens in the voles’ brain when they aren’t given access to their partner*The debate on pathologizing grief*What if we could train our brain to adapt better to grief just as we can to overcome phobias Quotes:“Longing is the motivation to have something what you want you can’t have immediately.”“The stronger the bond, the more cells that are active as they are making that decision to approach their partner.” “Instead of asking, 'Is it stressful to lose your partner?' because the answer is yes, let’s focus on what makes grief different that any other stressful or traumatic experience."“The National Institute of Health defines loss as a state of deprivation from a motivationally significant person or thing.”“We can grieve things we never had.”“Yearning is the core feature of grief….And we know that biologically, there is something specifically different about yearning because the behavioral therapies and pharmacotherapies that are efficacious in treating major depression don’t do anything to touch yearning related symptoms and grief. "“Yearning is a state of frustration that emerges from having a desire that is unfulfilled.”“They start to get dopamine released when they press the lever, in anticipation of the reward they are about to get. They get more dopamine released when they reunite with their partner than they do with the novel vole. So, there’s some part of the brain that says, your partner is really rewarding, you get extra dopamine when you try to reunite with them.”“I don’t think love addiction is a medically relevant term, but there are instances when attachments can become unhealthy.”

Jun 1, 2023 • 51min
Psychiatrist and prolonged grief expert Dr. Katherine Shear on how longing is the heart of grief
Send us a textEpisode 12: Center for Prolonged Grief founder, Dr. Katherine Shear untangles the differences between prolonged grief disorder and more typical integrated grief. She explains why longing is at the heart of grief and the importance in accepting a changed relationship with the lost loved one. Dr. M. Katherine Shear is the Marion E. Kenworthy Professor of Psychiatry and the founding Director of the Center for Prolonged Grief at Columbia University School of Social Work. Dr. Shear is a clinical researcher who first worked in anxiety and depression. For the past 25 years, she has focused on understanding and treating people who experience persistent, intense grief, which is now an official diagnosis called Prolonged Grief Disorder in the ICD-11 and DSM-5. She developed and tested Prolonged Grief Disorder Therapy, a short-term, strength-based intervention that helps foster adaptation to loss and confirmed its efficacy in three large National Institute of Mental Health-funded studies. She’s developed several widely used assessment instruments and a Prolonged Grief Disorder Treatment instruction manual.Learn more about Dr. Shear at https://socialwork.columbia.edu/faculty-research/faculty/full-time/m-katherine-shear/In this episode, (in order) we talked about…*The difference between desire and longing*The difference between usual continuing grief (or integrated grief) and prolonged grief disorder*The six healing milestones in adapting to loss through therapy she developed*Why the terms for the disorder she has researched changed over time from unresolved grief to traumatic grief to complicated grief to prolonged grief*How you learn to long for a lost loved one without it becoming debilitating*What she learned about how grief impacts the body from studying maternal-infant separation *The long-term impact her first experience with grief had on her*Why the therapy she developed encourages people to speak to dead loved ones*How prolonged grief disorder can show up with any meaningful loss (death, divorce, natural disaster)*The relationship between our brain’s nucleus accumbens and the emotion of longing Quotes:“Longing is the heart of grief. It’s the presence of absence and the absence of presence.”“Prolonged grief is when acute grief dominates our mind and our life. “When we lose someone close there are measurable changes in our cardiovascular and neuro-endocrine systems.”“Our close relationships are literally mapped in our brains in the form of all different kinds of memories (explicit and implicit).” “Grief is like a snowflake: no two experiences are exactly the same.” “I had been very afraid of death most of my life. But after my cousin died, shortly after I started doing this work, I thought, I don’t have to be afraid of dying…because she is there. So, wherever she is, it’s ok, because I’ll be with her...This changed relationship was interesting in that it didn’t require her to be physically present therefore it didn’t require me to be physically present, so it was easy to imagine it continuing into eternity.”“When it (longing) takes up too much space in your mind and it interferes with your ability to restore your capacity to thrive or accept the reality you’re in, it’s like someone’s got you by the heels—you can’t move forward, you can’t connect with other people, you can’t connect with even yourself ...because you are preoccupied with something that’s gone.”“Longing is a paradoxical emotion that contains presence and absence, and it also contains pleasure and pain.” Resources: Prolonged grief assessments and tools on the Center for Prolonged Grief we

May 1, 2023 • 38min
Journalist Florence Williams on the science of heartbreak and healing nature of awe
Send us a textEpisode 11: Award-winning science journalist & author Florence Williams shares insights she learned during her journey through the heartbreak of her divorce and writing a memoir about it. She discusses the physical impacts heartbreak has on our bodies and how our openness to beauty aids in our recovery. When her 25-year marriage ended, Florence Williams said she felt “axed in the heart” and like her body had been “plugged into an electrical socket.” Her latest award-winning book, Heartbreak: A Personal and Scientific Journey, chronicles the exploration of her own heartbreak and that of others. Florence’s writing has appeared in the New York Times, National Geographic, Outside, and numerous other outlets. She’s also the author of The Nature Fix: How Nature Makes Us Happier, Healthier, and More Creative. Florence is a certified forest-therapy guide and leads retreats focused on building a nurturing and reciprocal relationship with nature. Connect with Florence on Instagram @florence99 or learn more about her on her website http://www.florencewilliams.com/In this episode, (in order) we talked about…*Different kinds of heartbreak: personal, geographical and collective*How our cells listen for loneliness and other ways our bodies respond to heartbreak *Why people who go through divorce have an increased risk for several diseases*The difference between how her body reacted to her mom’s death & her divorce*How long it takes to recover from heartbreak *Why it’s important to spend enough time healing after trauma like heartbreak*The Museum of Broken Relationships & ritualizing our breakups *How our openness to beauty makes us more resilient and how to micro-dose on awe*The process of writing her book as she was grappling with her heartbreak Quotes: “If you feel lonely and unsupported, your nervous system is going to respond to that by pumping out more inflammation….Our bodies know we are more at risk for threat when we feel lonely.” “There was no one thing that made me feel instantly better. Research shows on average it takes four years for people who are divorced to return to baseline health…And for some people it’s going to take longer…There’s no one way to grieve.” “One of the myths I bust in the book is that you shouldn’t start another relationship too soon or that you need to heal before you go back out there in the dating world. I don’t think that’s true. You never really get to a point where you are fully healed, so you might as well do that healing with someone else if you can find someone else who is going to be supportive.”“The beauty in life is in the growth that happens after trauma. When we can open our hearts back up, then we can realize our full humanity." “We know from brain imaging studies that people who are more prone to awe also have more connections in different parts of their brains. There’s some ability they have to take their own personal pain and put it in perspective. That really does help them get through the suffering.” “People who are parts of our lives, they’re always going to be parts of our lives. You don’t just hit a switch and they’re gone.”Order Florence’s book, Heartbreak: A Personal & Scientific Journey hereLearn more about the Museum of Broken Relationships hereLet's connect: www.amandajmccracken.com

Mar 25, 2023 • 52min
Breast Cancer Survivor Cassie Fulmer Brown on longing, living, and loving
Send us a textEpisode 10: Cassie Fulmer Brown discusses longing in relationship to her five-year battle with breast cancer and why it’s important to “Go small and go now!”Five years ago, Cassie Fulmer Brown got her first mammogram at age 40 despite having no signs or symptoms of cancer. She was diagnosed with ERPR-positive and HER2-negative breast cancer. Following the diagnosis, Cassie and her husband David drastically changed their lifestyles (quitting their jobs and selling their house) to fight the cancer. Cassie left her high-stress market researcher position in the consumer-packaged goods industry. Now, she and her husband travel around the country and share their adventures on their YouTube channel Cissy and Bud. When Cassie isn’t dealing with cancer treatments or traveling, she’s boating, reading, doing yoga, or busy being a stepmom. She is a promoter of and speaker for Pink Ribbon Girls. Connect with Cassie on Instagram @cissyandbud In this episode, (in order) we talked about…*Cassie’s journey with cancer from the first diagnosis to the second diagnosis and the actions she’s taken (surgeries, drugs, chemo, radiation) *How both she and her husband changed their lifestyles to decrease stress once diagnosed*How cancer has strengthened her relationship with her husband and family *Her approach to sharing her story on social media *Advice she has for someone going through a cancer diagnosis *The “Tara List” that grew into the “Cassie List” *What you can do to support a friend going through breast cancer *How her genetic testing results prompted her to do the double mastectomy *The photo shoot she did before the mastectomy*The importance of self-breast exams despite varying medical opinions *The good and the bad in going through cancer treatment the second time around *How she now makes small adventures out of everything Quotes: “When I think about the life before cancer, I wish I could fall asleep without worrying if the cancer is going to spread or come back....The biggest thing (I long for) would be my body pre-cancer, before the surgeries and chemo and other drugs I take. But I try not to stay there too long because I know I can’t get that back.” “We both quit our jobs. He wanted to be able to go to every appointment with me. He likes to call it a sabbatical to fight cancer.” “I’ve also had two people get mammograms because of my diagnosis who were then diagnosed as well. So, they were happy they went and got an early diagnosis. I like when people reach out to me like that because it helps me to have something positive come from such a negative experience.”“If you know anyone going through cancer, or anything hard in life, say something. Say anything. The only caveat I would say would be try not to tell them a story of someone who died from cancer…. even if it’s a different kind of cancer. Just keep that one to yourself.” “Don’t say anything to a breast cancer patient on getting a boob job. It’s not what it is. It’s a major surgery…It’s not like you’re going to have this new set that’s going to look fabulous. It’s definitely emotional.” “Wear it now, do it now. I have this necklace that David gave to me on my wedding day I used to never wear. Now I barely even take it off. I don’t know what I was saving it for.” “I’m constantly scanning my body. So I’m more aware of my body because I have to be.”Resources mentioned in this episode: Cassie’s favorite post-surgery pajama top: Soma Cool Nights The book that made Cassie go vegan: How Not to Die by Michael Greger M.D. Great caps for when you're bald: www.chemobeanies.com Let's connect: www.amandajmccracken.

Feb 14, 2023 • 58min
Valentine Special: My husband Dave Butler on relationships, intimacy, and vulnerability
Send us a textEpisode 9: In this Valentine’s Day special, Dave speaks with Amanda about how their relationship developed from meeting to getting married, the pivotal moments during their 11-month-courtship, and the importance of seeing a couple’s therapist. Dave Butler is my husband, life partner, and the father of our child Moorea. He is also an environmental scientist, project manager, and geologist. Originally from Long Island, Dave was a drummer in a NYC-based band called Nuclear Cream Cheese. He is an ultra mountain trail runner, a New York Yankees fan, and a reformed Catholic. In this episode, (in order) we talked about…*How longing transpires in our lives*How we met each other before we really met each other*The questionable rebound zone*Our first date and our first kiss (his firsts in 20 years)*His “freedom tour" plan following his divorce*Communicating versus playing games in relationships (work or personal)*How he first met my parents and grandma in Ohio without me*His first response to learning I was a 40-year-old virgin*Visiting our respective therapists together in the first two months of dating*Our four-day trip to Paris*The moments we revealed our love for each other in spoken and written word*Our response to having sex for the first time together*The marriage proposal*Why we see a therapist once a month*Dangers and benefits in comparing past relationships *Advice he’ll give our daughter on love and relationships Let's connect: www.amandajmccracken.com

Jan 30, 2023 • 41min
Professional Ultra Runner Hillary Allen on finding value in yourself beyond performance
Send us a textEpisode 8: Hillary Allen explains how longing, through the lens of perfectionism, can positively fuel athletes or destroy them.Hillary Allen is a professional ultra trail runner for Brooks and a gravel cyclist for Scuderia Pinarello. Hillary has raced all over the world excelling in a discipline known as Skyrunning. She earned the nickname "Hillygoat" for her ability to run fast on steep and technical terrain. Over the course of her career she has racked wins and course records from the 50km distance all the way to 100 mile trail races. However, in 2017 Hillary had a life-threatening accident where she fell 150 feet off of a ridge-line during a race in Tromsø, Norway, breaking 14 bones and being told she would never run again. After an intense recovery period, she not only returned to running but she’s back on the podium again! Hillary has her masters in neuroscience and physiology. Connect with Hillary at www.hillaryallen.comIn this episode, (in order) we talked about…*The relationship between longing and endurance sports*Her life-threatening 150-foot fall at a race where she was ranked number one*How the accident changed her relationship with perfectionism*How talk therapy helps rewire our brains *Her struggle in college with an eating disorder*Techniques to personify characteristics like fear and perfectionism*The hardest part of her recovery: comparing herself to her former self*Falling in love with the process, not just focusing on the goal*“Death before DNF”*How longing has motivated her training and racing*The importance of perpetually being in the present moment Quotes: “As an ultra trail runner and gravel cyclist, I have this insatiable curiosity to determine the limits of my potential as it relates to travel on foot in these 100-mile races through the mountains or on two wheels through the gravel roads...” “With one step the ground gave way beneath my feet and the horizon was spinning upside down….I remember the world slowing down….I remember hitting the side of the mountain several times before I passed out along the way.”“I remember longing to know if I was ok. I knew I was moving my legs, so I wasn’t paralyzed. But I’d never seen that look of fear in faces I knew before. I was convinced I was dying. I remember asking in the helicopter if I was going to be ok…There was an unbearable since of urgency.”“I want to be excellent. I was faced with the reality that that might not happen ever again.”“(Perfectionism) can be my biggest asset and my worst enemy.”“I was holding myself up to a standard that wasn’t realistic, in particular for my body, and for anyone in general. I was able to realize it was unhealthy. It was exhausting to live inside my mind.”“We are in this world where we are defined by our last best result….Something that has helped me (as a goal oriented person) is to fall in love with the process. Each day is an opportunity to be my best.” “I’m asked the question, ‘Is it really worth killing yourself, literally or figuratively, to go after a goal?’…To me that’s an invitation to ask, ‘WHY do you want to do something? Is it for interval validation or external validation? How far are you willing to sacrifice parts of yourself to reach the goal?’”“Knowing that, regardless whether you finish or not, you’re still a worthwhile person, is very difficult….It's the ultimate wisdom and freedom to be able to walk away from something knowing you’re not a worse person for not finishing said task." Hillary's timeless mantra: "Believe in the best athletic days ahead of you." Let's connect: www.amandajmccracken.com


