
The Legend Effect (Master Influence and Attraction)
Welcome to The Legend Effect—the podcast where you master the hidden forces of influence, communication, and personal branding to make more, work less, and live a life you can’t wait to wake up to.
Hosted by Howie Chan, a brand strategist with over a decade of experience helping companies and individuals build authority, develop standout brands, and grow their businesses, this podcast is your shortcut to mastering the essential entrepreneurial skills you were never taught in school.
This is the show for entrepreneurs, creators, and business leaders who want to develop the high-impact skills that drive success—public speaking, storytelling, negotiation, sales, brand building, and more. Whether you're leaving corporate life behind or scaling your personal brand, The Legend Effect will help you move from unknown to unforgettable.
Each episode brings a mix of solo insights and in-depth interviews. Hear from those who’ve built their empires, redefined leadership, and mastered the soft skills behind business success—and from experts who’ve studied what makes legends legendary. This is the mentor I wish I had when I first left the corporate world in pursuit of my own version of greatness.
WHAT TO EXPECT:
🎤 Influence strategies: Practical tools to change minds and inspire action
🎤 Success mindset: The thought patterns of elite performers and leaders
🎤 Entrepreneurship lessons: Wisdom from those who turned ideas into empires
🎤 Magnetic communication skills: Speak with purpose, sell with confidence
🎤 Life lessons from legends: Timeless insights to fuel your growth
IT’S TIME.
If you're ready to step out of the ordinary and harness the hidden powers of influence, persuasion, and personal storytelling to live your version of legendary, The Legend Effect is for you.
It’s time to turn up the volume on life, make your mark, and live your legend. 🤘🏽
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Latest episodes

Feb 11, 2025 • 1h 6min
Memory Mastery: How to TRAIN YOUR BRAIN, Sharpen FOCUS, and Become UNFORGETABLE with 6x U.S. Memory Champion Nelson Dellis
In this episode of The Legend Effect, host Howie Chan interviews Nelson Dellis, a 4x U.S. Memory Champion, brain performance coach, and author, about how to unlock the full potential of your mind through memory training.Nelson breaks down the myths about memory and shares how anyone—yes, anyone—can develop powerful mental focus, strengthen recall, and apply memory techniques to improve public speaking, personal branding, and everyday effectiveness.His story of going from average memory to world-class competitor will inspire anyone looking to boost their cognitive performance, become more influential, and show up with clarity in both business and life.Episode Breakdown:02:39 The Michael Jordan of competitive memory sports03:02 What inspired Nelson to start working on his memory06:54 Learning to read at 3 years old08:44 Why Nelson turned to memory competitions to improve his memory10:43 How Nelson feels about having to perform for others13:12 Improve your networking skills with these tips to remember people’s names18:49 How Nelson memorizes quotes, texts, and speeches24:17 A glimpse into Nelson’s mind and memory palaces26:35 Start any memory task by doing this27:23 Short and long-term memory palaces and forgetting the things you don’t want30:04 Nelson’s daily mind training routine when he’s not competing31:19 When Nelson realized he was actually good at memorizing32:42 Strategies and mistakes in memory sports37:04 Nelson’s career as a professor and the irony of being called forgetful42:17 Nelson’s first-ever video and his passion for learning and teaching43:50 Nelson’s journey as a YouTube content creator and his lessons along the way50:07 The next challenges for Nelson with his YouTube channel52:19 About being known as the “memory guy” and branching out54:03 The book that changed Nelson’s life57:15 How to be and create more memorable things59:48 Advice on what will truly help you improve your memory1:01:45 A letter to Nelson’s younger selfFrom Our Guest:WebsiteLinkedIn YoutubeLearn the basics of How to Remember Names with this video.Check out Nelson’s first-ever video.Get the book that changed Nelson’s life, Gödel, Escher, Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid.Want to go from unknown to legendary in 44 simple steps?Get your FREE copy of my Personal Brand Checklist.Join Legend Letters: The free newsletter helping thousands of business owners influence human behavior (and look like a legend) using brand psychology.Hosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.

Feb 4, 2025 • 1h 4min
Brand and Identity: Boost your CREATIVITY and Become IRREPLACEABLE with Logo Designer Legend James Martin
In this episode of the Legend Effect Podcast, host Howie Chan interviews James Martin, a.k.a Made by James, the ultimate champion of the everyday designer and one of the most prolific logo identity designers on the planet. They delve into how we can become more creative and irreplaceable in the face of AI and fierce competition.The discussion emphasizes how staying true to yourself is key to attracting the right people and opportunities. James gives us an unfiltered tour of his mind, including his beliefs and philosophies about creativity and design. He also provides expert advice and tips that will help boost your creativity and make sure you stand out from the crowd.Episode Breakdown:02:28 The importance of putting yourself out there03:49 James’ journey of leveling up and his mindset of closing gaps06:42 Building his own design agency08:57 Consistently posting every day and figuring out what is in alignment12:39 Top advice for someone starting to put out content today16:42 How to balance staying true to yourself and chasing metrics21:52 Trauma, vulnerability, self-reflection, and being yourself24:37 Herd mentality and standing out from the crowd27:22 Creativity at a crossroads with the rise of AI29:45 Tips to become more creative every day32:58 People’s biggest missteps when it comes to identities and logos35:17 The role of a brand or visual identity designer36:25 What you need to have in place before you start the process of getting a logo39:35 The power of a mark41:11 One thing you should look for when working with a designer42:02 Strategies to be more creative and become irreplaceable 47:24 How James nurtures existing clients and attracts new ones53:13 The importance of finding the right people for the right seats56:24 How James counterbalances work and family58:43 The best way to build your creativity1:00:30 A letter to James’ younger selfFrom Our Guest:WebsiteLinkedIn YoutubeInstagram Get the book, Made by James: The Honest Guide to Creativity and Logo Design.Look into the book James got with a note from the author, The Everyday Hero Manifesto by Robin Sharma.Check out the book James mentions, Show Your Work! by Austin Kleon.Want to go from unknown to legendary in 44 simple steps?Get your FREE copy of my Personal Brand Checklist.Legendary Quotes:“ Ever since I've let go of this mindset of I have to be everything to everybody, and I have to be a certain thing to get certain things, and the more I've been myself, the more good things have happened to me. I've been surrounded by the right people, the right opportunities found me.” – James Martin“ So, nobody, if we're honest here, needs a fucking logo. If we're really honest, they want what the logo is going to do for them.” – James Martin“ If you want to get chosen and become irreplaceable, you have to start curating your taste outside of your industry because that's the thing that's going to make you stand out. Otherwise, you're just going to mold into the sameness and be replaced.” – James Martin“If I could leave people with anything, it would be to really focus on the clients that you have and had, and be of service to them as much as physically possible.” – James MartinIt’s time to turn up the volume on life, make your mark, and live your legend. 🤘🏽Join Legend Letters: the ultimate guide for corporate dropouts turned business owners.. Each week I share a heartset, mindset, and skillset to grow your business, your brand, and your life.📩 Try the Legend Letters Newsletter.Follow, subscribe, and don’t forget to leave a rating and review!

Jan 28, 2025 • 11min
Value Proposition: STOP LOSING MONEY and Start ATTRACTING the Right Opportunities and People [SOLO SESH]
In this episode of the Legend Effect Podcast, host Howie Chan is going solo. In a new series of short episodes - Solo Sesh (sessions), he is bringing the best strategies and ideas from scientific studies and the legends among us so you can live your version of legendary.He delves into how to craft a clear and compelling value proposition that sets you apart and attracts the right opportunities and people. The discussion emphasizes the importance of standing out instead of blending in. Howie walks you through the story of someone who struggled with creating a good value proposition, why having a value proposition matters so much, and a simple three-step framework to help you define yours.Episode Breakdown:02:11 Sarah’s struggles with defining her value proposition03:02 Why your emotions and your why matter for your value proposition05:47 Step 1 to find your value proposition: Who do you help?06:37 Step 2 to find your value proposition: What problem do you solve?07:28 Step 3 to find your value proposition: Why does it ignite you?08:42 Putting it all together into your unique value proposition09:10 Now it’s your turn!From Me:WebsiteLinkedInInstagram Want 75 hacks to become more charismatic?Get your FREE copy of my Charisma Tactical Toolkit.Legendary Quotes:“ If you can't explain what makes you unique in one sentence, you're losing clients. You're losing money!” – Howie Chan“ A value proposition isn't just some business jargon. To put it another way, it is your declaration of purpose. It helps people understand why you're here, what makes you different, and stops someone and [has] them think, ‘Hmm, do I need that?’” – Howie Chan“In today's crowded market, being generic is the fastest way to be ignored, but also being lengthy is the easiest way to confuse people.” – Howie ChanIt’s time to turn up the volume on life, make your mark, and live your legend. 🤘🏽Join Legend Letters to get the most important lessons and behind-the-scenes content in under 5 min.📩 Try the Legend Letters Newsletter.Follow, subscribe, and don’t forget to leave a rating and review!Hosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.

Jan 21, 2025 • 57min
Speaking Skills: The Surprising POWER of AWKWARDNESS & How You Can Harness It with Workplace Performance Legend Henna Pryor
In this episode of the Legend Effect Podcast, host Howie Chan interviews Henna Pryor, a Workplace Performance Expert, a 2x TEDx speaker, a regular expert columnist for Inc. Magazine, and a best-selling author. If you're looking to improve your speaking skills, listen up! Howie and Henna delve into what embracing awkwardness really entails, the skills now being lost in the modern era that we need to recreate in the workplace, and what it looks like to make big career pivots.The discussion emphasizes how feeling awkward is not something to fix but something that can actually improve your speaking skills and be your biggest asset for professional and personal growth. Henna provides tips and insights into how to successfully navigate awkward moments and situations, build deeper connections, get better at selling, and become more confident.Episode Breakdown:02:21 The Helen story: navigating extreme awkwardness at work for the first time08:25 A real-life awkward moment11:10 Taking aligned action over avoiding discomfort14:53 How to get good at navigating awkward moments21:09 Practical tips to help you face awkward situations25:38 The cultural shift toward being less perfect30:12 The decision to leave an explosive 14-year career in staffing33:54 An exercise for high achievers to overcome the fear of career change35:41 Telling Henna’s South Asian parents about her career pivots36:54 The blessing of starting from scratch during the Pandemic38:25 How difficult it was for Henna to pivot throughout her career40:31 A hard-earned but transformational lesson42:08 A tactical sales hack45:02 How awkwardness became Henna’s banner47:32 The value of placing a small bet51:13 Awkward conversations are what will help heal humanity53:50 A letter to Henna’s younger self55:28 Henna’s current definition of successFrom Our Guest:WebsiteLinkedIn YoutubeFacebook Instagram Get the book, Good Awkward.Watch Henna’s 2 TEDxTalks Want to get ahead at work? Risk the awkward moments and The new way to brag in the modern world - and feel good doing it.Want 75 hacks to become more charismatic?Get your FREE copy of my Charisma Tactical Toolkit.Join Legend Letters: the ultimate guide for corporate dropouts turned business owners.. Each week I share a heartset, mindset, and skillset to grow your business, your brand, and your life.📩 Try the Legend Letters Newsletter.Hosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.

Jan 14, 2025 • 1h 12min
Communication Skills: Learn the TRUTH Behind the Lies You Have Been Told About Body Language With Legend Blake Eastman
In this episode of the Legend Effect Podcast, host Howie Chan interviews Blake Eastman, former professional poker player and the founder of the Nonverbal Group, a behavioral research and education company teaching people to better communicate and thrive in social interactions.They delve into Blake’s journey to becoming the human behavior and communications expert he is, effective communication skills, the hard-earned lessons he got when his father was diagnosed with ALS, behind the scenes stories, and, of course, poker.The discussion emphasizes the complexity and subjectivity of communication and how any transformation must start from within. Blake provides tips that will help you communicate like the legend that you are right away, insights into the world of professional poker, and unveils the truth behind the lies we’re told about how human behavior.Episode Breakdown:02:18 The truth behind the scenes of Slate’s viral article on Blake04:22 Blake’s intense teaching schedule05:20 A quick rise and journey of mistakes and lessons07:14 Being an expert and an impostor09:06 Becoming an adjunct professor at CUNY12:24 Why a JD MBA and academia just wasn’t for Blake16:54 The questions Blake is trying to answer 17:46 Always having a plan (even when it’s the wrong one)20:22 How his family and early years influenced his path 24:01 Navigating the serious challenge of a parent with ALS27:31 Hard-earned lessons30:03 The truth behind statistics and blank statements about human behavior 33:05 How Blake approaches research as an entrepreneur39:54 Tips to help you communicate more effectively today41:27 The Flaw Finder 500043:43 Biggest barriers to truly transforming your social skills45:01 Why people are committing to a full year of transformation48:09 Insights into the world of poker52:24 Tips to win a home poker game54:18 The role of poker in Blake’s life56:36 When Blake placed 4th at a WSOP Main Event1:01:33 The funny story behind Blake’s run-in with the IRS1:04:33 Finding the magic and beauty of what makes people effective1:07:00 A letter to Blake’s younger selfFrom Our Guest:WebsiteLinkedIn Youtube XFacebook Instagram Sign up for The Behavioralist Newsletter by Blake.Check out the Slate article Howie mentions.Charisma is a Skill:Get your FREE copy of the Charisma Tactical Toolkit.Legendary Quotes:“ You can choose how you experience the world every second. I can't move my arms, but I'm so grateful for my legs. I can't walk unassisted, but I'm so grateful I can still walk.” – Blake Eastman“ "Most people don’t add enough context when they communicate. You can hedge so many simple things by just telling people what’s going on.".” – Blake Eastman“ I never tell people how to act. I just make sure that their behavior is in alignment with how they want to be perceived.” – Blake Eastman“ We're meaning making machines and it's our greatest gift and it's our greatest curse at the same time.” – Blake EastmanIt’s time to turn up the volume on life, make your mark, and live your legend. 🤘🏽Join Legend Letters: the ultimate guide for corporate dropouts turned business owners.. Each week I share a heartset, mindset, and skillset to grow your business, your brand, and your life.📩 Try the Legend Letters Newsletter.Follow, subscribe, and don’t forget to leave a rating and review!

Jan 7, 2025 • 1h 1min
Mental Health & Relationships: The ONE TECHNIQUE That Will Transform Your Life with Science Writer Legend David Robson
In this episode of the Legend Effect Podcast, host Howie Chan interviews David Robson, one of the most prolific science writers out there, with thousands of articles and three bestsellers. They delve into strategies backed by scientific research to help you better manage your mental health and build stronger relationships.The discussion emphasizes how your mindset can transform your life. David provides tools that will help you leverage stress, curb self-doubt, and quickly form deeper connections. He also shares his most impactful psychological effect after over 10 years of research.Episode Breakdown:02:27 David’s drive and intellectual curiosity 04:10 Combining mathematics and science with literature and writing07:00 Self-fulfilling prophecies and the power of mindset10:06 The importance of reappraising stress16:28 2 things that will help you better manage your mental health 19:10 Teaching kids valuable tools for their mental health22:04 The liking gap in social interactions and how to overcome it26:20 How to form better connections through the virtual world28:09 One thing you should do RIGHT NOW if you work by yourself 31:19 The phenomenon of self-expansion in meaningful relationships33:23 The power of self-disclosure and vulnerability38:27 The fast friendship procedure43:28 Overcoming the fear of being vulnerable46:46 Using narrative to live better and form stronger connections48:46 The tool David uses to get through difficult times51:09 David’s mission52:51 How David is starting to do scientific research himself54:48 The one technique that will transform your life58:48 A letter to David’s younger selfFrom Our Guest:WebsiteLinkedIn XInstagram Get David’s books here.Read my article about David’s book The Expectation Effect.Get my FREE Mindset Mastery Course.Legendary Quotes:“ I think it also comes back to the Expectation Effect in a way that the stories we tell ourselves about the things that we're facing can become self-fulfilling prophecies. So, we always should recognize that fact that we are heroes of our own stories, and we can try to make the most of that.” - David Robson“Life is going to have these downswings, but it's what defines your path in life is actually how you respond to that and whether you can find a way to bolster your resources, even if that is asking for support.” - David Robson“ It's really learning just to question your basic assumptions and to realize that just because you think or feel something does not mean that it is necessarily the way that other people would interpret the situation or that there's an objective proof to that.” - David RobsonIt’s time to turn up the volume on life, make your mark, and live your legend. 🤘🏽Join Legend Letters to go from unknown to unforgettable. One actionable lesson each week to establish authority, build attraction, and grow in influence.📩 Try the Legend Letters NewsletterFollow, subscribe, and don’t forget to leave a rating and review!Hosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.

Dec 23, 2024 • 56min
Storytelling for Business: Unleash the HIDDEN Power of Your Most Vulnerable Moments with Storytelling Legend Ash Rathod
In this episode of the Legend Letters Podcast, host Howie Chan interviews Ash Rathod, a storyteller, founder, and LinkedIn instructor of his 6P storytelling framework. They delve into how stories helped Ash emerge from the darkness and build the strongest relationships with his audience.The discussion emphasizes the power of storytelling and vulnerability for people building their brand, influence, and business. Ash provides a storytelling framework and tips to help anyone create memorable and engaging stories that change hearts and minds, and he reflects on the lessons he learned from his real-life hero.Episode Breakdown:02:52 Ash’s true hero, his father09:39 When Ash’s father passed away13:13 The onset of vitiligo17:01 Facing negative situations and racism21:20 The LinkedIn post that changed it all26:24 The importance of sharing our small stories29:33 The #1 barrier to storytelling31:56 The core KEY elements of storytelling33:52 Ash’s 6P Storytelling Framework37:41 Write hot, edit cold38:49 How to make your story memorable and engaging42:48 From scriptwriting to storytelling47:56 Ash’s love for creating something new50:05 Ash’s transformation post-vitiligo53:41 Two letters to Ash’s younger selfFrom Our Guest:WebsiteLinkedInInstagram The LinkedIn post that kicked off Ash’s journey.Learn more about Ash’s 6P framework in his LinkedIn course, Storytelling and Content Creation to Transform Your Personal Brand. Legendary Quotes:“ The difference between a hero and a villain is how they react to adversity, because both of them face the same issues and problems. But the hero wants to make sure that people don't feel that again, and then the villain says, ‘I want everybody to feel the same way.’” – Howie Chan“ It's emotionally draining trying to keep up with what you think others think of you.Be yourself and be kind to yourself. You're good enough, and others know this too. Once you embrace this, I promise you will be the best version of yourself.” - Ash Rathod“People want to know the real you. Of course, they want you to help them in terms of what they need from you and why they turn to you because of your expert opinion, your specialty, or your experience. But if they're not going to align with you in terms of values or they don't like you for whatever reason, they might just choose someone else that can also do that job as well.” - Ash RathodIt’s time to turn up the volume on life, make your mark, and live your legend. 🤘🏽Join Legend Letters: the ultimate guide for corporate dropouts turned business owners.. Each week I share a heartset, mindset, and skillset to grow your business, your brand, and your life.📩 Try the Legend Letters NewsletterFollow, subscribe, and don’t forget to leave a rating and review!Hosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.

Dec 10, 2024 • 1h 11min
Career Reinvention: From Touring with Rock Bands to Tech Marketing Leader — How to PIVOT with Purpose with PMM Legend Harvey Lee
In this episode of The Legend Effect, host Howie Chan interviews Harvey Lee, Top 10 PMM Consultant & #1 LinkedIn PMM Creator, and a legend in both the rock and roll and gaming industries. They delve into Harvey’s stories from his time in the music industry, including when he became the impromptu bassist for the band he was touring with, how he made his way to the video game industry, and the lessons he’s learned along the way.The discussion emphasizes the power of passion, authenticity, giving it your all, and taking action. Harvey provides insight into how he was able to face great challenges where failure was not an option and shares lessons that will help you navigate your career reinvention and tough times.Episode Breakdown:02:30 How Harvey became known as the money10:21 Harvey’s passion for music and his early realizations12:36 From the roadie life to the business career life15:06 Starting early and learning the hard way and the quick way17:59 Making things happen for a career in music22:01 Harvey’s parents’ role in his journey25:14 Finding your talent through your passion27:21 Thrown into the rock and roll stage32:01 Treating people as you find them33:25 What it all comes down to with how you present yourself35:49 The transition from the music industry to the video games industry41:09 How Harvey faces challenges where failure is not an option44:08 Proving the naysayers and bullies wrong46:03 The fear of failure paradox47:48 3 life lessons to help you navigate tough times56:11 How to know when to quit1:00:47 The hardest decision Harvey ever made1:06:55 A letter to Harvey’s younger selfFrom Our Guest:WebsiteLinkedIn InstagramTikTok Get the book for FREE, Backstage Pass.Legendary Quotes:“I gained my nickname, and that part was all fun. However, making a name for yourself in life and business is important. It can open doors and help make things happen. You need to be remembered for all the right reasons.” – Harvey Lee“In life and in business, sometimes the best thing that can happen to you is just getting thrown in. Just thrown in. These are the moments that you forge your reputation with your crew, with your audience, with your community, with the people that you work with.” – Harvey Lee“Your marker for the future, your story of the future, hasn't yet been written, and only you can write it. So, whatever is happening with you today, you're only in the moment now. When you wake up tomorrow, you have a blank piece of paper. The question is, What are you going to do with it?”It’s time to turn up the volume on life, make your mark, and live your legend. 🤘🏽Join Legend Letters to go from unknown to unforgettable. One actionable lesson each week to establish authority, build attraction, and grow in influence.📩 Try the Legend Letters NewsletterFollow, subscribe, and don’t forget to leave a rating and review!Hosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.

Nov 26, 2024 • 59min
Recruiting & Job Searching: How to STOP Being a Job Search Victim and Get Your Power BACK with Career Strategy Legend Loren Greiff
In this episode of The Legend Effect, host Howie Chan interviews Loren Greiff, an Executive Career Strategist who is ending career victimization by elevating, accelerating, and celebrating one executive at a time. They delve into the ugly realities of the recruiting and job searching world and what Loren is doing to hack the system to get her clients in the position they want in 4 to 7 months—and earning 40% to 70% more.The discussion emphasizes the importance of unconventional job search strategies in an increasingly complex world. Loren shares powerful career-fueling strategies that can help you nail high-stakes interviews, be prepared before joining the company, and beat ageism to get your dream position.Episode Breakdown:03:28 When Loren quit the job she worked her whole life to get07:35 The CTJ moment for Loren09:52 The journey to create PortfolioRocket13:49 It isn’t just about climbing the ladder18:59 Navigating inevitable turnover and complexity21:12 Unconventional job search strategies24:31 How Loren deals with reluctant executives26:34 A simple exercise to unearth your why28:05 Reach more people with fewer words and less time29:57 3 strategies to nail high-stakes interviews34:35 One test you should do before joining a company37:59 How to make your age just a number39:48 Old (bad) habits around job boards and recruiters42:22 Personal resilience and reinvention48:21 Loren’s experience with a Vipassana course50:15 How Loren made cancer fun53:47 Every breakdown is a breakthrough55:58 A letter to Loren’s younger selfFrom Our Guest:WebsiteLinkedIn Youtube PodcastFacebook Instagram Get the book by Jen Sincero You Are a Badass®.Legendary Quotes:“There's this phenomenon called sheltering, right? People staying in jobs that they know that they're misaligned to. They know that there's a feeling that somehow, whether it's the values of the company or they're not being challenged or their compensation is compromised, they stay. And I can understand why. Because it's safe.” – Loren Greiff“Networking isn't broken. Maybe your approach needs some help. These things are all part of a larger effort, not a one-and-done.” – Loren GreiffIt’s time to turn up the volume on life, make your mark, and live your legend. 🤘🏽Join Legend Letters to get the most important lessons and behind the scenes content in under 5 min.📩 Try the Legend Letters NewsletterFollow, subscribe, and don’t forget to leave a rating and review!Hosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.

Nov 12, 2024 • 59min
Audience Building: How to GROW Your Influence and Brand on Linkedin Like a TRUE Rockstar with Linkedin Legend Sam Browne
Sam Browne, a former rockstar turned LinkedIn master, shares his riveting journey from music to entrepreneurship. He reflects on his Nashville adventures and the bittersweet end of his band. Sam emphasizes the crucial role of authenticity in personal branding and offers actionable strategies for success on LinkedIn. He discusses the power of storytelling, the importance of passion in your pursuits, and how to stand out in a crowded digital space. Plus, he encourages listeners to embrace intentional living and self-acceptance as they navigate their own paths.