What are the main differences between running desktop apps versus web apps? And which of the two comes with less hassle and problems down the line? Our guest today is Steve McLeod, the founder of Feature Upvote and acquirer of Saber Feedback. You’ll hear Steve’s opinion on switching from desktop to web-based apps, the various maintenance and support issues that may arise, the “boring” aspects of running complex software, and how to prevent the stress that often comes with SaaS.Podcast feed: subscribe to https://feeds.simplecast.com/4MvgQ73R in your favorite podcast app, and follow us on iTunes, Stitcher, or Google Play Music.Show NotesFeature Upvote,Saber Feedback — Steve’s SaaS productsPatrick McKenzie — Steve’s inspirationWhy I sold my startup for £100,000 — the story of Saber Feedback acquisition by its original founder Matt BearmanBootstrapped.fm — Steve’s podcast for bootstrapped SaaS foundersEpisode 135: Multi-Product Portfolio Model for SaaS with JD GraffamUserlist — Jane’s SaaS productUlysses — a writing app by Max SeelemannEpisode 161: Managing Product Versions with Max SeelemannScreenFlow, Sublime, Balsamiq, iA Writer, Byword, 1Password — some of the apps Steve and Jane useFollow Steven on TwitterToday’s SponsorThis episode is brought to you by Userlist — a lifecycle messaging tool for your SaaS product. At Userlist, our mission is to make your founder journey more enjoyable and less overwhelming. That’s why we built an email automation tool that does exactly what you need. No more, no less. Manage your users, segment them, and get in touch throughout their journey — all based on their behavior. Try Userlist free whenever you’re ready at userlist.com.Interested in sponsoring an episode? Learn more here.Leave a ReviewReviews are hugely important because they help new people discover this podcast. If you enjoyed listening to this episode, please leave a review on iTunes. Here’s how.

Today we invite you to listen to one of our latest episodes from Better Done Than Perfect, a new show for SaaS founders. Enjoy this interview with Christopher Gimmer, co-founder of Snappa, where we explore the fascinating topic of templates and onboarding videos. You’ll learn all about these powerful onboarding tools and how to use them effectively in your SaaS company. You’ll also hear Christopher’s take on repurposed content, conversions, the friction of confirmation emails, and much more.Please head over to the episode page for the detailed recap and key takeaways.Show notesSnappa — Christopher’s SaaS product together with Marc ChouinardProduct-Led Institute by Wes BushChecklist — a productivity appInspire, Not Instruct: How We Do User Onboarding at UserlistFollow Christopher on TwitterThanks for listening! If you found the episode useful, please spread the word about this new show on Twitter mentioning @userlist, or leave us a review on iTunes.SponsorThis show is brought to you by Userlist — the best tool for sending onboarding emails and segmenting your SaaS users. To follow the best practices, download our free printable email planning worksheets at userlist.com/worksheets.

Classic product recommendation is to focus on something, but “all-in-one” products can also get wildly successful. How are they made? Do their multiple features cause chaos and anxiety, or is there a secret sauce to creating harmony? Our guest today is developer, advertizer, and Bento founder Jesse Hanley. You’ll hear how Jesse has been expanding his product over the years, and how he masterfully juggles multiple features, a large user base, support tickets, and much more.Podcast feed: subscribe to https://feeds.simplecast.com/4MvgQ73R in your favorite podcast app, and follow us on iTunes, Stitcher, or Google Play Music.Show NotesBento — Jesse’s all-in-one SaaS product, email marketing automationUserlist — Jane’s SaaS productDrip, Klaviyo, Intercom — other popular marketing automation platformsBasecamp — a popular project management and team communication toolReact Native — a tool for building mobile appsSlack — a popular team communication appLoom — a video messaging toolElasticsearch, Honeybadger — tools Jesse uses for fast search queries and error reportingBraze — a mobile engagement automation companyDynamic Yield — a UX optimization platform, acquired by McDonald’s in 2019RightMessage — a web personalization tool by Brennan Dunn and Shai SchechterFollow Bento on TwitterFollow Jesse on Twitter or send him a DMjessehanley.com — Jesse’s personal websiteToday’s SponsorThis episode is brought to you by Userlist — a lifecycle messaging tool for SaaS companies. It’s perfect for sending smart onboarding campaigns, or any other behavior-based communication. We have everything you need to get started quickly and painlessly: developer-friendly API, campaign templates, and hands-on support from the founders. Try Userlist free at userlist.com.Interested in sponsoring an episode? Learn more here.Leave a ReviewReviews are hugely important because they help new people discover this podcast. If you enjoyed listening to this episode, please leave a review on iTunes. Here’s how.

How can we measure the success of our UX work as consultants? How do we even start this conversation with clients, if such metrics involve additional research work?? Our guest today is Mark Baldino, co-founder of Fuzzy Math. You’ll learn all about Mark’s consultancy and his answers to these pressing ROI questions, as well as his view on measuring user satisfaction, creating effective surveys, and more.Podcast feed: subscribe to https://feeds.simplecast.com/4MvgQ73R in your favorite podcast app, and follow us on iTunes, Stitcher, or Google Play Music.Show NotesFuzzy Math — Mark’s UX design consultancyEpisode 164: Enterprise Product Design with Rakesh PatwariNPS (Net Promoter Score) — a popular research method (Wikipedia article)SUPR-Q — an 8 item questionnaire for measuring the quality of user experience (you can use the method for free, or buy a license to access industry benchmarks)What Are XLAs? Experience Level Agreements Explained — an article by Joseph MathengeUserlist — Jane’s SaaS productFollow Fuzzy Math’s blogJoin Fuzzy Math's monthly newsletterToday’s SponsorThis episode is brought to you by Userlist — a lifecycle messaging tool for your SaaS product. At Userlist, our mission is to make your founder journey more enjoyable and less overwhelming. That’s why we built an email automation tool that does exactly what you need. No more, no less. Manage your users, segment them, and get in touch throughout their journey — all based on their behavior. Try Userlist free whenever you’re ready at userlist.com.Interested in sponsoring an episode? Learn more here.Leave a ReviewReviews are hugely important because they help new people discover this podcast. If you enjoyed listening to this episode, please leave a review on iTunes. Here’s how.

Minimalism may be considered merely an aesthetic choice, but it also determines many other decisions we make in product design and life in general. How can designers implement and stand by their minimalist principles in web and product design? Our guest today is minimalist designer Brian Gardner, founder and CEO of Agent Engine. You’ll learn about Brian’s journey into minimalism, his design philosophy, and his recommendations on staying true to your values.Podcast feed: subscribe to https://feeds.simplecast.com/4MvgQ73R in your favorite podcast app, and follow us on iTunes, Stitcher, or Google Play Music.Show NotesAgent Engine — Brian’s companyStudioPress, Copyblogger — Brian’s previous projectsNo Sidebar — Brian’s famous minimalist projectTony Clark, Jason Schuller — Brian’s Agent Engine partnersCompass, Century 21 — examples of well-designed real estate websitesJoshua Becker — the founder of Becoming MinimalistRafal Tomal — Brian’s previous partner at StudioPressYoga with Adriene — a popular YouTuber’s website, designed by BrianUgmonk — a minimalist clothing brandFigma, Grammarly, ConvertKit — Brian’s favorite toolsSquarespace — a popular website builder with a minimalistic flairTypeWolf, OnePageLove, DarkModeDesign — Brian’s favorite minimalist design resourcesInterfont, FontFoundry — Brian’s favorite font resourcesGoogle Fonts, Adobe Fonts— popular font repositoriesInter — a good minimalist example of Google Fontsbriangardner.com — Brian’s website and portfolioFollow Brian on TwitterToday’s SponsorThis episode is brought to you by Userlist — a lifecycle messaging tool for SaaS companies. It’s perfect for sending smart onboarding campaigns, or any other behavior-based communication. We have everything you need to get started quickly and painlessly: developer-friendly API, campaign templates, and hands-on support from the founders. Try Userlist free at userlist.com.Interested in sponsoring an episode? Learn more here.Leave a ReviewReviews are hugely important because they help new people discover this podcast. If you enjoyed listening to this episode, please leave a review on iTunes. Here’s how.

The year of 2020 has introduced us to the ‘new normal’ — which we’re, admittedly, still struggling to get accustomed to. How does this, along with the current social unrest, affect the way users make purchasing decisions? Our guest today is Claire Suellentrop, SaaS marketing and growth advisor. You’ll hear Claire’s recommendations on post-pandemic marketing, customer research, company culture, and more.P.S. Please take part in our listener survey. This podcast just turned 6 years old and we’re looking for ways to make it better.Download the MP3 audio file: right-click here and choose Save As.Podcast feed: subscribe to https://feeds.simplecast.com/4MvgQ73R in your favorite podcast app, and follow us on iTunes, Stitcher, or Google Play Music.Show NotesForget the Funnel — Claire’s project with Georgiana LaudiEpisode 92: Behind the Scenes of Userlist.io Research with Claire SuellentropCalendly — a popular scheduling tool; Claire’s previous place of work as head of marketingProfitWell — SaaS metrics toolReciprocity in Marketing: How to Apply This Principle — a ReferralRock articleHelp Founders — a past initiative by UserlistVito — an online hub for groups; a new product by Paul Campbell and the Tito teamEpisode 165: Designing Event Experiences with Paul CampbellApril Dunford’s Twitter thread on product positioning in a downturnLeading Change in Your SaaS’ Growth Strategy when Change Is Hard — an interview with Asia Matos Orangio on FTFPlease take part in the UI Breakfast Podcast SurveyFollow Claire on TwitterToday’s SponsorThis episode is brought to you by Userlist — a lifecycle messaging tool for your SaaS product. At Userlist, our mission is to make your founder journey more enjoyable and less overwhelming. That’s why we built an email automation tool that does exactly what you need. No more, no less. Manage your users, segment them, and get in touch throughout their journey — all based on their behavior. Try Userlist free whenever you’re ready at userlist.com.Interested in sponsoring an episode? Learn more here.Leave a ReviewReviews are hugely important because they help new people discover this podcast. If you enjoyed listening to this episode, please leave a review on iTunes. Here’s how.

How different are tablet interfaces to those of phones and desktops? And what makes a tablet-based app fully functional and worth building? Our guest today is Mark McGranaghan, founding partner at Muse Software and principal investigator at Ink & Switch. You’ll hear Mark’s angle on tablet interface design, industrial research, user onboarding, as well as his advice on building tools for thought.Podcast feed: subscribe to https://feeds.simplecast.com/4MvgQ73R in your favorite podcast app, and follow us on iTunes, Stitcher, or Google Play Music.Show NotesMuse — Mark’s productInk & Switch — Mark’s industrial research lab focusing on creativity & productivityProductivity articles by Shawn BlancOnboarding with Jane Portman — a Metamuse podcast episodeMilanote — tool for organizing creative projectsNotion, Roam — modern tools for thoughtProcreate — a digital illustration app for the iPadMicrosoft Research — a great entryway to academic research on tabletsmarkmcgranaghan.com — Mark’s websiteFind Mark on LinkedIn and TwitterToday’s SponsorThis episode is brought to you by Hover — the domain name registrar that helps you brand your next big creative idea. With Hover, you can register a domain name for your design portfolio or creative business, choosing from over 300 domain name extensions. Find your next catchy domain name at hover.com/uibreakfast.Interested in sponsoring an episode? Learn more here.Leave a ReviewReviews are hugely important because they help new people discover this podcast. If you enjoyed listening to this episode, please leave a review on iTunes. Here’s how.

As product people, we handle vast amounts of data without thinking about the environment. We make copies and backups of everything, and even our devices are powered to the max. Can we do better? Our guest today is Gerry McGovern, the author of World Wide Waste. You’ll learn about the current risks associated with data waste, along with Gerry’s tips on digital sustainability and minimizing your footprint.Podcast feed: subscribe to https://feeds.simplecast.com/4MvgQ73R in your favorite podcast app, and follow us on iTunes, Stitcher, or Google Play Music.Show NotesWorld Wide Waste — Gerry’s recent bookEpisode 118: Customer Top Tasks with Gerry McGovernEpisode 140: Sustainable UX with James ChristieWebsite Carbon Calculator — a tool for estimating your website’s carbon footprintUserlist — Jane's SaaS productgerrymcgovern.com — Gerry’s websiteFollow Gerry on TwitterToday’s SponsorThis episode is brought to you by Hover. Register a domain name for your design portfolio and choose from over 300 domain name extensions. No matter what area of the creative space you are in, there’s a domain name waiting for it — from .design and .art to .ink, .photo and more. Check them out at hover.com/uibreakfast.Interested in sponsoring an episode? Learn more here.Leave a ReviewReviews are hugely important because they help new people discover this podcast. If you enjoyed listening to this episode, please leave a review on iTunes. Here’s how.

How can information be best learned, dissected, and communicated across teams, industries, and products? Our guest today is Stephen Anderson, the founder of the Mighty Minds Club and author of Figure It Out. You’ll hear Stephen’s thoughts on the nature of information, cognition and thinking, interaction design, the importance of team dialogue, his virtual club project, and much more.Podcast feed: subscribe to https://feeds.simplecast.com/4MvgQ73R in your favorite podcast app, and follow us on iTunes, Stitcher, or Google Play Music.Show NotesFigure It Out — Stephen’s latest book Seductive Interaction Design — Stephen’s first book Mental Notes — Stephen’s card deck productFrom Paths to Sandboxes — Stephen’s MidwestUX talkEpisode 170: The Power of Workshops with Jonathan CourtneyThe Infinite Game — a famous book by Simon SinekExplorable Explanations — Nicky Case’s blogST Math — an online visual math program by MIND Research InstituteDynamicland — an interactive computing platform by Brad VictoryThinkific — a popular tool for creating coursesThe Mighty Minds Club — Stephen’s membership program for product teamsFollow Stephen on TwitterToday’s SponsorThis episode is brought to you by Hover — the domain name registrar that helps you brand your next big creative idea. With Hover, you can register a domain name for your design portfolio or creative business, choosing from over 300 domain name extensions. Find your next catchy domain name at hover.com/uibreakfast.Interested in sponsoring an episode? Learn more here.Leave a ReviewReviews are hugely important because they help new people discover this podcast. If you enjoyed listening to this episode, please leave a review on iTunes. Here’s how.

It might seem that new software products randomly appear in a vacuum, but it’s far from true. How can product ideas be generated, validated, and successfully implemented? Our guest today is Kevin Conti, the founder of Software Ideas. You’ll hear Kevin’s thoughts on product development, validation, marketing, niche review sites, bootstrapping, and presales, as well as his advice for new founders.Podcast feed: subscribe to https://feeds.simplecast.com/4MvgQ73R in your favorite podcast app, and follow us on iTunes, Stitcher, or Google Play Music.Show NotesSoftwareideas.io — Kevin’s project we’re talking aboutCodernotes.io — Kevin’s previous SaaS productEpisode 175: Product Trends with Dru Riley of Trends.vcEpisode 188: Marketing Ideas and Experiments with Kacper StaniulUserlist — Jane’s SaaS productEpisode 150: Understanding Product-Market Fit with Derrick ReimerCrunchbase — a popular paid databaseG2, Capterra — popular software review sitesThe Inc. 5000 List of America’s Most Inspiring EntrepreneursThe Mom Test — a book by Rob FitzpatrickThe Startup J Curve — a book by Howard LoveFollow Kevin on Twitterkevinconti.com — Kevin’s personal blogToday’s SponsorThis episode is brought to you by Hover. Register a domain name for your design portfolio and choose from over 300 domain name extensions. No matter what area of the creative space you are in, there’s a domain name waiting for it — from .design and .art to .ink, .photo and more. Check them out at hover.com/uibreakfast.Interested in sponsoring an episode? Learn more here.Leave a ReviewReviews are hugely important because they help new people discover this podcast. If you enjoyed listening to this episode, please leave a review on iTunes. Here’s how.