
Talking To Change - A Motivational Interviewing Podcast
Hosted by Glenn Hinds and Sebastian Kaplan, Talking To Change – A Motivational Interviewing podcast, is a series of conversations exploring Motivational Interviewing (MI) and its influence on supporting individuals and groups as they make positive health and lifestyle changes. Guests from across the world discuss their special interest in the research, practice and learning of MI along with its place across health, social care, education and criminal justice.
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Jun 14, 2022 • 1h 22min
Ep 57 – Motivational Interviewing & Discord
Motivational Interviewing & Discord
Glenn and Sebastian welcomed Stephen R. Andrew LCSW, LADC, CCS to the podcast to discuss discord and many other topics. Stephen is a storyteller, trainer, therapist, author and the CEO (Chief Energizing Officer) of Health Education & Training Institute. (www.hetimaine.org). He maintains a compassion-focused private practice in Portland, Maine USA where he also facilitates a variety of men’s, women’s, co-ed, and caregiver groups. Stephen has had significant experience working with people suffering with addiction, mental illness and training staff within the Department of Mental Health.
He is the co-founder of Agape, Inc. which supports the Men’s Resource Center of Southern Maine whose mission is to support boys, men and fathers and oppose violence and Dignity for People Using Opiates, a radical movement to change the conditions precipitating the opiate epidemic in our communities.
Stephen has been a member of the International Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers (MINT) since 2003 and became a Certified MINT Trainer in 2019. He has been a MIA-STEP trainer (Motivational Interviewing Assessment; Supervisor Training Program) for the New England ATTC since 2007. Stephen provides coaching and training domestically and internationally (Singapore, Iceland, China, Canada, Holland, Sweden, Poland, Turkey & UK) for social service agencies, health-care providers, substance abuse counselors, recovery coach specialists, criminal justice, vocational rehabilitation, and other groups on motivational interviewing, addiction, co-occurring disorders, counseling theory, “challenging” adolescents, supervision and ethics for care professionals, men’s work and the power of group work, as well as supervising a coding/coaching laboratory and simulation lab and training for Motivational Interviewing.
Stephen is the proud father of Sebastian, and co-author of Game Plan: A Man’s Guide to Achieving Emotional Fitness.
00:00 – Introduction and episode preview
06:10 – Stephen’s introduction and early MI story
08:10 – Distinction between client-centeredness and MI
10:37 – The “trauma whisperer,” “gentle guesses,” “the whisperer of hopes and dreams,” and core needs
16:50 – Discord between the head and the heart
25:45 – Developing empathy and compassion
30:40 – Shame
35:20 – Creating learning communities
44:00 – On the horizon – A podcast, a new book, and a new organization called “Dignity”
48:40 – Start of real play between Glenn and Stephen
59:25 – Real play debrief
1:13:42 – End of episode
Links and contact information:
Website: www.hetimaine.org
Podcast: www.hetimaine.org/conversations-in-compassion
For suggestions, questions and to enquire about training in Motivational Interviewing contact Glenn & Sebastian
Email: podcast@glennhinds.com
Twitter:
ChangeTalking
Glenn Hinds
Sebastian Kaplan
For all previous episodes CLICK HERE
We welcome all donations to support us
GBP
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May 2, 2022 • 1h 38min
Ep 56 – Motivational Interviewing in Psychiatry
Motivational Interviewing in Psychiatry
Glenn and Sebastian discuss Motivational Interviewing in Psychiatry with Antoine Douaihy, M.D. Antoine is a Professor of Psychiatry & Medicine at the University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine. He is the Director of the Addiction Psychiatry Fellowship at Western Psychiatric Hospital and Co-Director of the Tobacco Treatment Service at the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center. He has a well-established record in conducting multisite clinical trials. His areas of research and clinical expertise are substance use disorders, HIV, motivational interviewing (MI), and psychology of behaviour change. Dr. Douaihy has received 20 awards for outstanding achievement in educating medical students and psychiatry residents and has been a champion in the implementation and dissemination of evidence-based practices across healthcare settings, particularly MI.
00:00 – Introduction and episode preview
06:31 – Antoine’s introduction and early MI story
20:45 – The challenge of integrating MI into the practice of psychiatry
30:45 – “Catching the attention” of future psychiatrists
39:00 – Avoiding the use of stigmatizing language in psychiatry
51:10 – Seeking balance and recognizing the limits of helpfulness
59:00 – Reconnecting with what matters
1:06:45 – Start of role play
1:26:12 – Role play debrief
1:38:36 – End of episode
Links and contact information:
Email: douaihya@upmc.edu
For suggestions, questions and to enquire about training in Motivational Interviewing contact Glenn & Sebastian
Email: podcast@glennhinds.com
Twitter:
ChangeTalking
Glenn Hinds
Sebastian Kaplan
For all previous episodes CLICK HERE
We welcome all donations to support us
GBP
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Apr 11, 2022 • 1h 52min
Ep 55 – Motivational Interviewing and Acceptance & Commitment Therapy (ACT)
Robyn D. Walser, expert in Acceptance and Commitment Therapy, discusses blending ACT with Motivational Interviewing. The conversation delves into experiential vs. cognitive knowledge, creative hopelessness in therapy, embracing vulnerability, and motivation in therapy. They also explore the Association for Contextual Behavioral Science and ACT's impact on enhancing lives.

Mar 21, 2022 • 1h 41min
Ep 54 – MI in Peer Support Recovery Services
MI in Peer Support Recovery Services
We are happy to have had John Burns on to discuss MI in peer support recovery services. John is a person in long term recovery and a family member of a loved one who has struggled with substance use. He is the director of SOS Recovery Community Organization with recovery community centers in Rochester, Dover and Hampton, NH. John founded Families Hoping and Coping in 2014, a peer-based family support group for family members and loved ones of those struggling with substance use disorder. Families Hoping and Coping has chapters that meet weekly in Dover and Portsmouth, NH. He prides himself most on being an outspoken advocate for people who use drugs, building recovery-oriented systems of care, and promoting diversity, equity, inclusion, and justice for those marginalized who often are left without a voice and oppressed due to inhumane global, national and local drug policy.
John is a board member for the NH Harm Reduction Coalition. He also serves on the NH Drug Overdose Fatality Review Commission and on the executive committee for the Strafford County, New Hampshire Public Health Advisory Committee.
John became a member of the Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers in 2021 and is involved in offering basic and advanced Motivational Interviewing workshops within the peer-recovery support service field several times a year. He also has completed Motivational Interviewing Competency Assessment (MICA) training and provides coding and coaching services to his staff and recovery support providers across New England in an effort to expand motivational interviewing competency in the peer-assisted recovery service field.
John earned his MBA from Southern NH University and is credentialed as a Certified Recovery Support Worker (CRSW) in NH. John has helped grow SOS from a $5000 all-volunteer effort in Sept 2016 into a robust program with 20 full-time employees and four recovery community centers. All of SOS recovery centers recently became registered as syringe service providers in New Hampshire and provide safer injection supplies, safer smoking and safer sex supplies as well as naloxone and overdose prevention programs. John and SOS have led numerous initiatives including a state-wide criminal justice recovery program and a national collaboration in digital recovery meetings offered 8 times a day, 7 days a week along with family support meetings nightly.
John has been involved in development of several curriculums with SOS including the Art & Science of Peer Assisted Recovery, Ethical Considerations for Peer-Assisted Recovery, Suicide Prevention for Peer-Assisted Recovery, HIV, AIDS and Hepatitis Prevention for Peer Assisted Recovery and more. He has trained and developed curriculums for over 5 years now and speaks regularly to large audiences across the Northeast.
00:00 – Introduction and episode preview
04:30 – John’s introduction and early MI story
15:30 – Lessons learned from early experiences in recovery
26:30 – John’s “game changers” after learning client-centered approaches
34:00 – How MI helps in peer support settings
42:30 – The role of self-disclosure
48:30 – Integrating peer support services within organizations and working alongside other professions
58:30 – Management of a peer recovery support organization
1:04:00 – Furthering grass roots efforts through social enterprise models and greater access to housing
1:14:22 – Start of role play
1:29:52 – Role play debrief
1:43:14 – End of episode
Links and contact information:
Email: john@sosrco.org
Website: www.sosrco.org
For suggestions, questions and to enquire about training in Motivational Interviewing contact Glenn & Sebastian
Email: podcast@glennhinds.com
Twitter:
ChangeTalking
Glenn Hinds
Sebastian Kaplan
For all previous episodes CLICK HERE
We welcome all donations to support us
GBP
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Mar 7, 2022 • 1h 18min
Ep 53 – Motivational Interviewing for Working with Children & Families
Motivational Interviewing for Working with Children & Families
In this episode exploring Motivational Interviewing in Work with Children & Families, Glenn and Sebastian meet Donald Forrester, Professor of Child and Family Social Work and Director of the CASCADE Centre for Children’s Social Care at Cardiff University in the UK. He has been researching and teaching about Motivational Interviewing in Work with Children & Families, and in particular the complicated nature of child protection conversations, for 20 years. Recently, with long term colleagues David Wilkins and Charlotte Whittaker, he published MI for Working with Children and Families, in which they tried to bring together their learning from this work and make suggestions about using MI in very difficult conversations.
00:00 – Introduction and episode preview
05:15 – Donald’s early MI story and lessons from MI research
12:00 – Shift within children’s social care: From “get on with it” to models of good practice
15:45 – What does it mean to be a “good social worker” and how does MI fit?
20:00 – Balancing MI spirit with a child’s safety
25:00 – Recognizing the needs of the vulnerable parent and the experience of “agape”
30:45 – Modeling good care in supervision
33:00 – Can one selectively use MI?
37:00 – Growing as an MI practitioner
40:20 – Using with MI children, using MI with parents, and teaching MI to parents
47:45 – Role play: Exploring an allegation of child abuse
58:48 – Role play debrief
1:09:45 – “Good authority: Purposefulness; Focus on the child; and Clarity about concerns
1:13:30 – The next book: Framing social work as rights based
1:18:06 – End of episode
Links and contact information:
Email: forresterd@cardiff.ac.uk
Twitter: @DonaldForr
Donald’s book “Motivational Interviewing for working with children and families”:
https://uk.jkp.com/collections/author-donald-forrester-pid-206645/products/motivational-interviewing-for-working-with-children-and-families
For suggestions, questions and to enquire about training in Motivational Interviewing contact Glenn & Sebastian
Email: podcast@glennhinds.com
Twitter:
ChangeTalking
Glenn Hinds
Sebastian Kaplan
For all previous episodes CLICK HERE
We welcome all donations to support us
GBP
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Jan 31, 2022 • 1h 25min
Ep 52 – MI in Primary Care – Part 2
MI in Primary Care – Part 2
Glenn and Seb welcomed Mats Hogmark to discuss MI in Primary Care. Mats is a 47 year old Swedish physician who specializes in family medicine. He works in a small primary health care center in the countryside close to the city of Falun.
Mats has been an MI practitioner since 2006 and a trainer since 2007 and became a member of the Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers (MINT) in 2012. As part of the Program Planning Committee he worked on the organising team for the MINT Forums in Montreal, Dublin and New Orleans 2016-2018. Mats also leads trainings for resident doctors in person-centered communication skills.
00:00 – Introduction and episode preview
04:34 – Mats’ intro and early MI story
14:00 – The physician as an “assistant” and sitting on one’s hands
20:30 – Becoming a better listener through reflections
28:10 – Coming alongside the patient
31:30 – How MI can save time
34:20 – Mats’ MI model: The patient, doctor, and mutual roles exploring Ideas, Concerns, and Expectations
38:45 – Role play with Mats and Glenn
58:30 – Role play debrief – Attending to the physical AND emotional needs of the patient
1:17:45 – Mats’ work on compassion and relational competence
1:25:09 – End of episode
Links and contact information:
Email: mats@hogmark.com
Twitter: @matshogmark
LinkedIn: Mats Hogmark
Mats on Stan Steindl’s podcast, The Compassion Initiative: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/compassion-in-a-t-shirt-in-session-with-mats-hogmark/id1110384435?i=1000519850071
For suggestions, questions and to enquire about training in Motivational Interviewing contact Glenn & Sebastian
Email: podcast@glennhinds.com
Twitter:
ChangeTalking
Glenn Hinds
Sebastian Kaplan
For all previous episodes CLICK HERE
We welcome all donations to support us
GBP
Thank You.
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Jan 10, 2022 • 1h 10min
Ep 51 – Lessons from the lab: The dynamics of change talk …
Episode 51 – Lessons from the lab: The dynamics of change talk and technological advances in
We were pleased to welcome April Carcone to discuss her research on the dynamics of change talk and technological advances in MI. April is a member of the Behavioral Sciences Division of the Department of Family Medicine and Public Health Sciences at Wayne State University in Detroit, Michigan, USA. April is a social worker by training with over 18 year experience in developing and testing behavioral health interventions. She has studied Motivational Interviewing (MI) for more than a decade. Her research has examined how counselors and health care providers facilitate behavior change through the evocation of change talk. This has included collaborative work with computer scientists to automate the communication coding process using machine-learning models. April’s work to understand how MI facilitates change has informed her current research to develop and test eHealth behavioral interventions to improve health outcomes among emerging adults with type 1 diabetes.
00:00 – Introduction and episode preview
06:25 – April’s introduction and early MI story
09:45 – What works to evoke change talk from African-American youth?
15:45 – Process of forming research questions
21:00 – Working with youth and their caregivers
24:00 – What you ask about, and reflect, matters
27:40 – Statements that support autonomy, evoke change talk, and consolidate commitment
40:40 – Developing computerized coding methods
54:00 – The dilemma of research
58:10 – eHealth along a continuum of care
1:05:00 – Developing an eHealth prevention program for childhood cancer survivors
1:10:17 – End of episode
Links and contact information:
Email: acarcone@med.wayne.edu
Twitter: @a_carcone
Website: https://familymedicine.med.wayne.edu/profile/ao6558
Researchgate: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/April-Carcone
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/april-idalski-carcone-7584501/
International Conference on Motivational Interviewing:
Website: https://www.icmi2022.org/
For suggestions, questions and to enquire about training in Motivational Interviewing contact Glenn & Sebastian
Email: podcast@glennhinds.com
Twitter:
ChangeTalking
Glenn Hinds
Sebastian Kaplan
For all previous episodes CLICK HERE
We welcome all donations to support us
GBP
Thank You.
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Nov 8, 2021 • 1h 5min
Ep 50 – MI for Survivors of Violence
MI for Survivors of Violence
Glenn and Sebastian were joined by Dr. Kate Watson to discuss the application of MI when working with survivors of violence. Dr. Watson is a public speaker, author, and podcaster. As the founder of The Advocacy Academy, Dr. Watson is on a mission to build a skilled workforce of advocates to eliminate violence around the world. To date, she has provided training to victim and survivor advocates in 25 states and 9 countries (across 3 continents). On average, Dr. Watson speaks to 10,000 live audience members each year. With her experience working with survivors of violence, she has become an on-going consultant to the US Department of Defense, the Nation al Football League (USA), and to major television networks. In addition to her speaking and consulting work, Dr. Watson sits on the Board of Directors for The Lady Parts Collective, which is a Los Angeles-based theatre company specializing in the development of work relevant to women in the United States. She is also a Director Emeritus for the Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers. Dr. Watson is the author of the book, Only Trying to Help, which is also the name of her podcast, now entering its 6th season.
00:00 – Introduction and episode preview
04:13 – Kate’s introduction and early MI story
08:30 – The role of an advocate
12:15 – Self-advocacy as change talk
15:15 – Working with the “righting reflex” to amplify the voice of the client
19:20 – Difficult decisions for survivors of violence: counselling with neutrality and hope
24:45 – Paying attention to our signals, and ourselves
30:10 – Using affirmations and seeking permission in respectful ways
38:20 – Viewing change with suspicion
46:25 – Careful use of reflections
50:30 – Tying questions to hopeful outcomes
59:25 – Kate’s book and podcast: “Only Trying to Help”
1:04:32 – End of episode
Contact information and links:
– Email: kate@advocacyacademy.org
– Twitter: @advokatew
For suggestions, questions and to enquire about training in Motivational Interviewing contact Glenn & Sebastian
Email: podcast@glennhinds.com
Twitter:
ChangeTalking
Glenn Hinds
Sebastian Kaplan
For all previous episodes CLICK HERE
We welcome all donations to support us
GBP
Thank You.
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Oct 19, 2021 • 1h 32min
Ep 49 – Motivational Interviewing in Physio-Physical Therapy
Maddy Nicholson, a registered physiotherapist specializing in chronic pain management and a senior lecturer at Wrexham Glyndwr University, shares her insights on integrating motivational interviewing into physical therapy. She discusses the critical role of addressing emotional factors in patient care, emphasizing genuine curiosity in fostering effective communication. Maddy highlights the collaborative approach in multidisciplinary teams and the importance of affirmations in building patient rapport, showcasing how these techniques can lead to more meaningful therapeutic outcomes.

Aug 30, 2021 • 44min
Ep 48 – MI in schools
MI in schools
Glenn and Sebastian welcomed Andrew Williams, NPQH to the podcast for a fascinating and timely discussion on MI in schools. Andy has taught for 28 years, the last 10 years as Deputy Headteacher at a large secondary school in South Wales. He was the winner of the Pearson’s Teacher of the Year Award in 2000. His work on building a frame for maintaining and repairing relationships has led him to be seconded to work with Chief Constable at Gwent Police Force,
Andy has served alongside the Chief Executive Officer in three Local Authorities and most recently with a Championship Football Club. He has worked closely with Professor Stephen Rollnick on Motivational Interviewing in School and has provided seminars across the world on restorative approaches and the link to mental health and wellbeing. In addition to his work with Professor Rollnick he is now working with Dr Belinda Hopkins on mediation and restorative leadership.
He is a practising Zen Buddhist and lives with his partner Matthew and his young Beagle, Olly.
00:00 – A peek at the episode
05:30 – Andy’s intro and early MI story: Developing a culture in schools that supports quality relationships
09:00 – Community over compliance: “Well-being comes in the slipstream of good learning”
13:15 – Implementation of culture change in schools leads to improvements in behavior and learning
19:10 – How restorative approaches blend with MI and a more inclusive school culture
25:10 – Teachers’ use of MI processes and skills facilitates good learning
30:00 – Why affirmations are more helpful than praise
32:30 – Reintegrating the school community as members return from, and amidst COVID
42:00 – Andy finishing his dissertation on mindfulness with children in schools and other projects
43:51 – End of recording
Links and contact information:
– email: connectandy00@gmail.com
– Website: www.restoreourschools.com
For suggestions, questions and to enquire about training in Motivational Interviewing contact Glenn & Sebastian
Email: podcast@glennhinds.com
Twitter:
ChangeTalking
Glenn Hinds
Sebastian Kaplan
For all previous episodes CLICK HERE
We welcome all donations to support us
GBP
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