

Talking To Change - A Motivational Interviewing Podcast
Glenn Hinds & Sebastian Kaplan
Hosted by Glenn Hinds and Sebastian Kaplan, Talking To Change – A Motivational Interviewing podcast, is a series of conversations exploring Motivational Interviewing (MI) and its influence on supporting individuals and groups as they make positive health and lifestyle changes. Guests from across the world discuss their special interest in the research, practice and learning of MI along with its place across health, social care, education and criminal justice.
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Nov 4, 2022 • 1h 11min
Ep 61 – Motivational Interviewing & Grief
Motivational Interviewing & Grief
Dr. M. Katherine Shear is the Marion E. Kenworthy Professor of Psychiatry and the founding Director of the Center for Prolonged Grief at Columbia University School of Social Work. Dr. Shear is a clinical researcher who first worked in anxiety and depression. For the past 25 years, she has focused on understanding and treating people who experience persistent, intense grief, which is now an official diagnosis called Prolonged Grief Disorder in the ICD-11 and DSM-5. She developed and tested Complicated Grief Therapy/Prolonged Grief Disorder Therapy, a short-term, strength-based intervention that helps foster adaptation to loss and confirmed its efficacy in three large NIMH-funded studies.
Dr. Shear is widely recognized for her work in bereavement, including both research and clinical awards from the Association for Death Education and Counseling and invited authorship of articles for Uptodate and the New England Journal of Medicine. Her work includes more than 330 peer-reviewed publications. She’s developed several widely used assessment instruments and a PGDT instruction manual.
Dr. Shear received a BS in biology with honors from the University of Chicago and an MD from Tufts University Medical School. She completed residencies in Internal Medicine and Psychiatry and a psychosomatic fellowship before beginning her clinical research career.
Episode index:
00:00 – Introduction and episode preview
04:40 – Dr. Shear’s early MI story
12:00 – What is grief? Why do we experience it? Why does it change over time?
17:17 – What are we losing when a loved one dies?
26:18 – Adaptation after loss
32:15 – The six healing milestones
56:45 – The experience of the practitioner: Self-care and self-compassion
1:02:30 – Sudden vs. expected loss
1:07:08 – Dr. Shear’s work around grief in the African-American community
1:11:16 – End of episode
Links and contact information:
Websites:
https://prolongedgrief.columbia.edu/
https://hospicefoundation.ie/
For suggestions, questions and to enquire about training in Motivational Interviewing contact Glenn & Sebastian
Email: podcast@glennhinds.com
Twitter:
ChangeTalking
Glenn Hinds
Sebastian Kaplan
For all previous episodes CLICK HERE
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Oct 3, 2022 • 1h 35min
Ep 60 – Training MI Across Cultures
Training MI Across Cultures
Glenn and Sebastian welcomed Rik Bes on the podcast to discuss his work training MI across cultures. Rik has a background in social work and criminal law. He is co-founder – with Prof. Stephen Rollnick; currently semi-retired – of the not-for-private-profit foundation Centre for Motivation and Change, which was established in 1997. This centre works on a national and international level to bring motivational interviewing (MI) to many different areas (medical and non-medical), settings, cultures and countries around the globe. He has led the development of many online, offline and hybrid MI learning programmes, supporting healthcare professionals from a variety of specialities to have more effective and more patient-centred consultations with their patients
He is a member of MINT (Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers) since 1995 and contributed to the development of this organisation in the role of board member 2002 – 2008 and senior advisor (Director Emeritus, 2008 – 2014) to the Board of Directors of MINT Inc.
Episode index:
00:00 – Introduction and episode preview
05:27 – Rik’s early MI story
13:45 – Bringing client-centeredness to addiction services in The Netherlands
25:30 – Broadening the cultural scope
39:30 – Adaptations and metaphors from the Middle East to New Zealand
1:12:00 – The importance of co-training and seeking feedback
1:24:00 – Developing hybrid training programs
1:34:46 – End of episode
Links and contact information:
Twitter: rikbes@me.com
LinkedIn: http://linkedin.com/in/rik-bes-56478121
For suggestions, questions and to enquire about training in Motivational Interviewing contact Glenn & Sebastian
Email: podcast@glennhinds.com
Twitter:
ChangeTalking
Glenn Hinds
Sebastian Kaplan
For all previous episodes CLICK HERE
We welcome all donations to support us
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Sep 19, 2022 • 1h 6min
Ep 59 – Lessons From The Lab: The Gifts of MI
Lessons from the Lab: The Gifts of MI
Glenn and Sebastian welcomed Dr. Molly Magill for another edition of Lessons from the Lab, where she discusses her research and what she refers to as the Gifts of MI. Dr. Magill is currently an Associate Research Professor in the Department of Behavioral and Social Sciences in the Brown University School of Public Health. Dr. Magill is also the Director of Biostatistics at the Brown University Center for Alcohol and Addiction Studies. Dr. Magill’s broad area of study is mechanisms of behavior change in psychosocial treatment for alcohol and other drug use disorders. The goal of this work is to guide intervention development and refinement. In her most recent research, she is focused on therapist or counselor training methods that are based on common factors of established behavioral interventions.
00:00 – Introduction and episode preview
04:35 – Molly’s introduction and early MI story
12:05 – MI as a “revolutionary approach”
19:10 – Molly’s interest in therapy manuals and her search for an integrative model
24:10 – Why we search for the “engine”’
30:15 – Process research and the hypotheses for why MI works
40:20 – Important findings from MI process research
54: 30 – The three gifts of MI: 1) Be nice; 2) Be present; and 3) Therapist training
1:00:35 – Molly sharing a personal story
1:06:03 – End of episode
Links and contact information:
Email: molly_magill@brown.edu
For suggestions, questions and to enquire about training in Motivational Interviewing contact Glenn & Sebastian
Email: podcast@glennhinds.com
Twitter:
ChangeTalking
Glenn Hinds
Sebastian Kaplan
For all previous episodes CLICK HERE
We welcome all donations to support us
GBP
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Aug 30, 2022 • 1h 8min
Ep 58 – MI and the Māori Culture
MI and the Māori Culture
Glenn and Sebastian welcomed Tipene Pickett on to discuss the Māori Culture from New Zealand and its relationship in the practice and teaching of Motivational inetrveiwng. Here is his bio:
Nga Ngaru a Te Huki te Maunga – The waves of Te Huki is my Mountain
Waihua te Awa – Waihua is my River
Kahungunu te Iwi – Kahungunu is my tribe
Kurahikakawa te Hapu – Kurahikakawa is my Sub-tribe
Waihua te Marae – Waihua is my Marae
Ko Tipene Pickett toku ingoa – Tipene Pickett is my name
Post Grad Cert Health Sciences, BA psych & Anthro., Member of Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers (MINT) since 2013.
I have been an alcohol and drug since 1998 in a number of Governmental, NGO and Kaupapa Māori settings. A practitioner of Motivational Interviewing (MI) for the past 20 years and an MI trainer of trainers since 2013.
I’m currently self employed since 2019 and employed as a trainer for several Government District Health Boards as well as Non Government Organisations as a trainer for upskilling people in a variety of roles and across a number of disciplines including – Clinical Psychologists, Psychiatrists, Social Workers, Alcohol and Drug Clinicians. Peer Support Workers as well as Cultural Consultants. This also includes strategic planning and implementation to embed MI into the infrastructure of organizations in order to achieve a sustainable culture of ongoing evaluation and upskilling to maintain MI practitioners proficiency.
I provide a wide spectrum of MI training including MI with groups, coaching as well as training in the use of the Motivational Interviewing Treatment Integrity (MITI) & Video Assessment of Simulated Encounters (VASE-R NZ).
My special interest is in the relationship between MI and indigenous knowledge and wisdom. To that end I’ve had the privilege of developing a framework for framing the journey of MI within the context of the Maori language (Te Reo) and practices (Tikanga) as well as contemporary Maori models of health as well as use of traditional Pūrakau (narratives of origin) of enhancing wellbeing.
As a member of the Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers means I’m part of a global community of people who share a similar vision of change and scrutiny of professional practice in order to be the most effective clinicians we can be by embracing the way of being MI offers
He manu e kai ana i te miro, nōnā to ngahere. He manu e kai ana i te matauranga, nōnā to ao.
A bird who feeds of the miro berry, theirs is the forest. A bird who feeds on knowledge, theirs is the world.
00:00 – Introduction and episode preview
04:48 – Tipene’s introduction, early MI story, and his discovery of his own culture
14:45 – The experience of confrontation and learning about what’s more helpful
19:00 – Discovering what’s within you and who you are
26:30 – Engagement, self-disclosure, and narratives of origin
48:30 – Confidence rulers
1:01:30 – How might language change our physiology?
1:07:55 – End of episode
Glossary of Māori terms used in this episode:
Pepeha a description of tribal identity that includes:
Maunga – mountain
Awa – river
Hapuu – kinship group with common ancesto
Iwi – collection of hapuu with common ancestral canoe
Ka maa te ariki, ka maa te tauira – as we have chiefs, we are students
Mauri – Life principle and individual uniqueness
Mana – One’s sphere of influence and personal power
Tapu – 1./ origins of universe inscribed within you. 2./ state of constriction
Karakia – command to influence elemental energies toward a specific purpose i.e.creating safety, increasing energy of objectivity and openness and so on
Mihimihi – process of acknowledgements on one’s mana, tapu, connections to others, environment and purpose
Whaanaungatanga – process of establishing connections be sharing one’s pepeha, potentially creating ancestral connections as well as locating someone in a certain area of NZ. Create sense of belonging.
Whaanaunga – extended relation
Waiata – song
Kia tau te rangimarie – be settled with the vibration of peace
Puurakau – narrative of origin (literally the ‘universal origins in the sound of the story of the tree’)
Tikanga – a right way of doing things. 7 protected knowledge
Whakapapa – Ancestral connections tracing their origins to the earth mother
Links and contact information:
Email: tipenepickett007@gmail.com
For suggestions, questions and to enquire about training in Motivational Interviewing contact Glenn & Sebastian
Email: podcast@glennhinds.com
Twitter:
ChangeTalking
Glenn Hinds
Sebastian Kaplan
For all previous episodes CLICK HERE
We welcome all donations to support us
GBP
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Jun 14, 2022 • 1h 22min
Ep 57 – Motivational Interviewing & Discord
Motivational Interviewing & Discord
Glenn and Sebastian welcomed Stephen R. Andrew LCSW, LADC, CCS to the podcast to discuss discord and many other topics. Stephen is a storyteller, trainer, therapist, author and the CEO (Chief Energizing Officer) of Health Education & Training Institute. (www.hetimaine.org). He maintains a compassion-focused private practice in Portland, Maine USA where he also facilitates a variety of men’s, women’s, co-ed, and caregiver groups. Stephen has had significant experience working with people suffering with addiction, mental illness and training staff within the Department of Mental Health.
He is the co-founder of Agape, Inc. which supports the Men’s Resource Center of Southern Maine whose mission is to support boys, men and fathers and oppose violence and Dignity for People Using Opiates, a radical movement to change the conditions precipitating the opiate epidemic in our communities.
Stephen has been a member of the International Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers (MINT) since 2003 and became a Certified MINT Trainer in 2019. He has been a MIA-STEP trainer (Motivational Interviewing Assessment; Supervisor Training Program) for the New England ATTC since 2007. Stephen provides coaching and training domestically and internationally (Singapore, Iceland, China, Canada, Holland, Sweden, Poland, Turkey & UK) for social service agencies, health-care providers, substance abuse counselors, recovery coach specialists, criminal justice, vocational rehabilitation, and other groups on motivational interviewing, addiction, co-occurring disorders, counseling theory, “challenging” adolescents, supervision and ethics for care professionals, men’s work and the power of group work, as well as supervising a coding/coaching laboratory and simulation lab and training for Motivational Interviewing.
Stephen is the proud father of Sebastian, and co-author of Game Plan: A Man’s Guide to Achieving Emotional Fitness.
00:00 – Introduction and episode preview
06:10 – Stephen’s introduction and early MI story
08:10 – Distinction between client-centeredness and MI
10:37 – The “trauma whisperer,” “gentle guesses,” “the whisperer of hopes and dreams,” and core needs
16:50 – Discord between the head and the heart
25:45 – Developing empathy and compassion
30:40 – Shame
35:20 – Creating learning communities
44:00 – On the horizon – A podcast, a new book, and a new organization called “Dignity”
48:40 – Start of real play between Glenn and Stephen
59:25 – Real play debrief
1:13:42 – End of episode
Links and contact information:
Website: www.hetimaine.org
Podcast: www.hetimaine.org/conversations-in-compassion
For suggestions, questions and to enquire about training in Motivational Interviewing contact Glenn & Sebastian
Email: podcast@glennhinds.com
Twitter:
ChangeTalking
Glenn Hinds
Sebastian Kaplan
For all previous episodes CLICK HERE
We welcome all donations to support us
GBP
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May 2, 2022 • 1h 38min
Ep 56 – Motivational Interviewing in Psychiatry
Motivational Interviewing in Psychiatry
Glenn and Sebastian discuss Motivational Interviewing in Psychiatry with Antoine Douaihy, M.D. Antoine is a Professor of Psychiatry & Medicine at the University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine. He is the Director of the Addiction Psychiatry Fellowship at Western Psychiatric Hospital and Co-Director of the Tobacco Treatment Service at the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center. He has a well-established record in conducting multisite clinical trials. His areas of research and clinical expertise are substance use disorders, HIV, motivational interviewing (MI), and psychology of behaviour change. Dr. Douaihy has received 20 awards for outstanding achievement in educating medical students and psychiatry residents and has been a champion in the implementation and dissemination of evidence-based practices across healthcare settings, particularly MI.
00:00 – Introduction and episode preview
06:31 – Antoine’s introduction and early MI story
20:45 – The challenge of integrating MI into the practice of psychiatry
30:45 – “Catching the attention” of future psychiatrists
39:00 – Avoiding the use of stigmatizing language in psychiatry
51:10 – Seeking balance and recognizing the limits of helpfulness
59:00 – Reconnecting with what matters
1:06:45 – Start of role play
1:26:12 – Role play debrief
1:38:36 – End of episode
Links and contact information:
Email: douaihya@upmc.edu
For suggestions, questions and to enquire about training in Motivational Interviewing contact Glenn & Sebastian
Email: podcast@glennhinds.com
Twitter:
ChangeTalking
Glenn Hinds
Sebastian Kaplan
For all previous episodes CLICK HERE
We welcome all donations to support us
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Apr 11, 2022 • 1h 52min
Ep 55 – Motivational Interviewing and Acceptance & Commitment Therapy (ACT)
Robyn D. Walser, expert in Acceptance and Commitment Therapy, discusses blending ACT with Motivational Interviewing. The conversation delves into experiential vs. cognitive knowledge, creative hopelessness in therapy, embracing vulnerability, and motivation in therapy. They also explore the Association for Contextual Behavioral Science and ACT's impact on enhancing lives.

Mar 21, 2022 • 1h 41min
Ep 54 – MI in Peer Support Recovery Services
MI in Peer Support Recovery Services
We are happy to have had John Burns on to discuss MI in peer support recovery services. John is a person in long term recovery and a family member of a loved one who has struggled with substance use. He is the director of SOS Recovery Community Organization with recovery community centers in Rochester, Dover and Hampton, NH. John founded Families Hoping and Coping in 2014, a peer-based family support group for family members and loved ones of those struggling with substance use disorder. Families Hoping and Coping has chapters that meet weekly in Dover and Portsmouth, NH. He prides himself most on being an outspoken advocate for people who use drugs, building recovery-oriented systems of care, and promoting diversity, equity, inclusion, and justice for those marginalized who often are left without a voice and oppressed due to inhumane global, national and local drug policy.
John is a board member for the NH Harm Reduction Coalition. He also serves on the NH Drug Overdose Fatality Review Commission and on the executive committee for the Strafford County, New Hampshire Public Health Advisory Committee.
John became a member of the Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers in 2021 and is involved in offering basic and advanced Motivational Interviewing workshops within the peer-recovery support service field several times a year. He also has completed Motivational Interviewing Competency Assessment (MICA) training and provides coding and coaching services to his staff and recovery support providers across New England in an effort to expand motivational interviewing competency in the peer-assisted recovery service field.
John earned his MBA from Southern NH University and is credentialed as a Certified Recovery Support Worker (CRSW) in NH. John has helped grow SOS from a $5000 all-volunteer effort in Sept 2016 into a robust program with 20 full-time employees and four recovery community centers. All of SOS recovery centers recently became registered as syringe service providers in New Hampshire and provide safer injection supplies, safer smoking and safer sex supplies as well as naloxone and overdose prevention programs. John and SOS have led numerous initiatives including a state-wide criminal justice recovery program and a national collaboration in digital recovery meetings offered 8 times a day, 7 days a week along with family support meetings nightly.
John has been involved in development of several curriculums with SOS including the Art & Science of Peer Assisted Recovery, Ethical Considerations for Peer-Assisted Recovery, Suicide Prevention for Peer-Assisted Recovery, HIV, AIDS and Hepatitis Prevention for Peer Assisted Recovery and more. He has trained and developed curriculums for over 5 years now and speaks regularly to large audiences across the Northeast.
00:00 – Introduction and episode preview
04:30 – John’s introduction and early MI story
15:30 – Lessons learned from early experiences in recovery
26:30 – John’s “game changers” after learning client-centered approaches
34:00 – How MI helps in peer support settings
42:30 – The role of self-disclosure
48:30 – Integrating peer support services within organizations and working alongside other professions
58:30 – Management of a peer recovery support organization
1:04:00 – Furthering grass roots efforts through social enterprise models and greater access to housing
1:14:22 – Start of role play
1:29:52 – Role play debrief
1:43:14 – End of episode
Links and contact information:
Email: john@sosrco.org
Website: www.sosrco.org
For suggestions, questions and to enquire about training in Motivational Interviewing contact Glenn & Sebastian
Email: podcast@glennhinds.com
Twitter:
ChangeTalking
Glenn Hinds
Sebastian Kaplan
For all previous episodes CLICK HERE
We welcome all donations to support us
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Mar 7, 2022 • 1h 18min
Ep 53 – Motivational Interviewing for Working with Children & Families
Motivational Interviewing for Working with Children & Families
In this episode exploring Motivational Interviewing in Work with Children & Families, Glenn and Sebastian meet Donald Forrester, Professor of Child and Family Social Work and Director of the CASCADE Centre for Children’s Social Care at Cardiff University in the UK. He has been researching and teaching about Motivational Interviewing in Work with Children & Families, and in particular the complicated nature of child protection conversations, for 20 years. Recently, with long term colleagues David Wilkins and Charlotte Whittaker, he published MI for Working with Children and Families, in which they tried to bring together their learning from this work and make suggestions about using MI in very difficult conversations.
00:00 – Introduction and episode preview
05:15 – Donald’s early MI story and lessons from MI research
12:00 – Shift within children’s social care: From “get on with it” to models of good practice
15:45 – What does it mean to be a “good social worker” and how does MI fit?
20:00 – Balancing MI spirit with a child’s safety
25:00 – Recognizing the needs of the vulnerable parent and the experience of “agape”
30:45 – Modeling good care in supervision
33:00 – Can one selectively use MI?
37:00 – Growing as an MI practitioner
40:20 – Using with MI children, using MI with parents, and teaching MI to parents
47:45 – Role play: Exploring an allegation of child abuse
58:48 – Role play debrief
1:09:45 – “Good authority: Purposefulness; Focus on the child; and Clarity about concerns
1:13:30 – The next book: Framing social work as rights based
1:18:06 – End of episode
Links and contact information:
Email: forresterd@cardiff.ac.uk
Twitter: @DonaldForr
Donald’s book “Motivational Interviewing for working with children and families”:
https://uk.jkp.com/collections/author-donald-forrester-pid-206645/products/motivational-interviewing-for-working-with-children-and-families
For suggestions, questions and to enquire about training in Motivational Interviewing contact Glenn & Sebastian
Email: podcast@glennhinds.com
Twitter:
ChangeTalking
Glenn Hinds
Sebastian Kaplan
For all previous episodes CLICK HERE
We welcome all donations to support us
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Jan 31, 2022 • 1h 25min
Ep 52 – MI in Primary Care – Part 2
MI in Primary Care – Part 2
Glenn and Seb welcomed Mats Hogmark to discuss MI in Primary Care. Mats is a 47 year old Swedish physician who specializes in family medicine. He works in a small primary health care center in the countryside close to the city of Falun.
Mats has been an MI practitioner since 2006 and a trainer since 2007 and became a member of the Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers (MINT) in 2012. As part of the Program Planning Committee he worked on the organising team for the MINT Forums in Montreal, Dublin and New Orleans 2016-2018. Mats also leads trainings for resident doctors in person-centered communication skills.
00:00 – Introduction and episode preview
04:34 – Mats’ intro and early MI story
14:00 – The physician as an “assistant” and sitting on one’s hands
20:30 – Becoming a better listener through reflections
28:10 – Coming alongside the patient
31:30 – How MI can save time
34:20 – Mats’ MI model: The patient, doctor, and mutual roles exploring Ideas, Concerns, and Expectations
38:45 – Role play with Mats and Glenn
58:30 – Role play debrief – Attending to the physical AND emotional needs of the patient
1:17:45 – Mats’ work on compassion and relational competence
1:25:09 – End of episode
Links and contact information:
Email: mats@hogmark.com
Twitter: @matshogmark
LinkedIn: Mats Hogmark
Mats on Stan Steindl’s podcast, The Compassion Initiative: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/compassion-in-a-t-shirt-in-session-with-mats-hogmark/id1110384435?i=1000519850071
For suggestions, questions and to enquire about training in Motivational Interviewing contact Glenn & Sebastian
Email: podcast@glennhinds.com
Twitter:
ChangeTalking
Glenn Hinds
Sebastian Kaplan
For all previous episodes CLICK HERE
We welcome all donations to support us
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