
Talking To Change - A Motivational Interviewing Podcast
Hosted by Glenn Hinds and Sebastian Kaplan, Talking To Change – A Motivational Interviewing podcast, is a series of conversations exploring Motivational Interviewing (MI) and its influence on supporting individuals and groups as they make positive health and lifestyle changes. Guests from across the world discuss their special interest in the research, practice and learning of MI along with its place across health, social care, education and criminal justice.
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Apr 5, 2023 • 1h 7min
Ep 67 – MI within the Social Context
MI within the social context
Glenn and Seb were delighted to have Dr. Paul Earnshaw on the podcast to discuss MI within the social context. Paul is an independent Researcher, Senior Psychological Therapist and Motivational interviewing trainer. He is a member of the Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers (MINT). He has over 18 years of experience in training multi-disciplinary health and social care staff in the UK and internationally in Motivational Interviewing, across a range of mental and physical health services. Paul has extensive clinical and research experience in a range of NHS Mental Health Services. His research Interests and writing include, the integration of MI and CBT (Atkinson and Earnshaw, 2019), MI Theory (Earnshaw, 2021), COVID-19 (in press), MI Implementation in Organisations (Atkinson and Earnshaw, 2022).
Episode index:
00:00 – Opening and episode preview
05:22 – Paul’s early MI story
07:45 – Integration of MI and Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT)
22:40 – The therapeutic relationship
29:00 – Widening the lens beyond a “problem behavior”
38:00 – Creating safety through social empathy
52:40 – Influences on Paul’s early thinking
60:00 – Paul’s many interests including MI/CBT integration and contact tracing
66:38 – End of episode
Contact information:
Email: pgearnshaw@gmail.com
For suggestions, questions and to enquire about training in Motivational Interviewing contact Glenn & Sebastian
Email: podcast@glennhinds.com
Twitter:
ChangeTalking
Glenn Hinds
Sebastian Kaplan
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Mar 13, 2023 • 1h 12min
Ep 66 – Neurodiversity & MI
Neurodiversity & MI
Glenn and Seb were honoured to have Deb Solomon on the podcast to discuss neurodiversity. Deb is a social worker in Adult Care, and a Practice Development Lead. Following a surprise diagnosis of ADHD in 2020 she went on to set up and chair the first UK group for neurodivergent social workers through the British Association Of Social Workers (BASW) after recognising the lack of knowledge and support in the profession. Deb is also the Vice Chair of BASW Equality, Diversity and Inclusion Advisory Group and has recently set up the Neurodiversity Network for her local authority. Deb presents workshops on neurodiversity, executive functioning and is passionate about ensuring anyone who thinks differently is safe to be their whole selves, celebrating strengths as well as promoting acceptance for all neurotypes.
Episode index:
00:00 – Opening and episode preview
07:25 – Deb’s introduction and early story
10:08 – Gender differences in ADHD
14:26 – What changed for Deb after receiving the ADHD diagnosis
20:30 – What an MI practitioner should know when working with clients who are neurodiverse
34:10 – Deb’s emotional and cognitive experiences as someone with ADHD
40:40 – Ambivalence and the executive functions
56:25 – “I have to get it (a thought) out”
1:02:16 – What’s helped Deb that might help others
1:06:25 – Media attention towards neurodiversity
1:11:55 – End of episode
Contact information:
Twitter: @ND_SWgroup
Email: deb.solomon@basw.co.uk
For suggestions, questions and to enquire about training in Motivational Interviewing contact Glenn & Sebastian
Email: podcast@glennhinds.com
Twitter:
ChangeTalking
Glenn Hinds
Sebastian Kaplan
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Feb 27, 2023 • 1h 11min
Ep 65 – Storytelling In Teaching & Learning MI
Storytelling In Teaching & Learning MI
Glenn and Sebastian warmly welcomed Steven Malcolm Berg-Smith to the podcast for a discussion on the use of Storytelling In Teaching & Learning MI. For over 30 years, Steve has worked as a behavior change counselor, health educator, drug & alcohol prevention specialist, and researcher. He currently has a private practice in the San Francisco Bay Area as a certified motivational interviewing (MI) trainer, consultant, coach & mentor.
A member of the International Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers (MINT) since 1994, Steve has conducted over 1200 MI workshops and presentations throughout the US and internationally. He has served as a “trainer of trainers” for MINT and collaborated in the design of MI-inspired behavior change intervention protocols for numerous national clinical research trials. He has authored a manual on the “The Art of Teaching Motivational Interviewing,” along with several frequently cited articles on how to use motivation-enhancing tools and strategies to support adolescents and adults in making positive lifestyle changes.
Episode index:
00:00 – Opening and episode preview
04:18 – Steve’s early MI story: From interrogating to evoking
14:55 – Steve meets Bill Miller in a role play
27:00 – Steve’s wife encourages him to tell stories
35:30 – The use of cliffhangers in training
46:00 – How to work with someone who is in “pre-contemplation”
54:20 – Can ambivalence be resolved: “The chick that chews”
67:45 – Looking towards retirement
70:32 – End of episode
Contact information:
Website: www.berg-smithtraining.com
For suggestions, questions and to enquire about training in Motivational Interviewing contact Glenn & Sebastian
Email: podcast@glennhinds.com
Twitter:
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Sebastian Kaplan
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Jan 10, 2023 • 1h 21min
Ep 64 – Common Questions about MI
Common Questions about MI
Glenn and Sebastian were excited to welcome David B. Rosengren, Ph.D., for a return appearance to answer some common questions we receive in trainings. David is president & CEO of Prevention Research Institute (PRI), member of the Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers (MINT), International Positive Psychology Association (IPPA), and Society for Implementation Research Collaboration (SIRC), as well as a Certified MINT Trainer.
David, is a clinical psychologist with a background in treatment, research, training, and administration. Previously, he was a research scientist and consultant at the University of Washington’s Alcohol and Drug Abuse Institute, practicing psychologist in a variety of clinical settings, and Motivational Interviewing (MI) consultant and trainer. David completed the initial training for new trainers course offered by Miller and Rollnick in 1993 and was a founding member of the Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers. In addition to Building Motivational Interviewing Skills: A Practitioner Workbook, he has written journal articles and book chapters on addictions, MI, the change process, treatment and prevention. His most recent focus is on the role positive psychology can play in building resilience, as well as enhancing intervention and treatment effects, cognitive processes in learning, use of technology in training, and building, maintaining, and refining practitioner skills. His current research focus is implementation science in the integration of evidence-based practices across systems.
Episode index:
00:00 – Introduction
03:20 – Welcoming David back to the podcast: What’s David been up to?
06:35 – Question 1: Why does listening help?
14:40 – Question 2: How young can a client be to benefit from MI?
23:35 – Question 3: How is what you (therapist) do different than what anyone else (different therapist, friend/mate) does?
28:25 – Question 4: Should MI practitioners work to be powerful influencers of behavior?
35:30 – Question 5: My clients are more difficult than yours. How would MI work with them?
45:47 – Question 6: What if people think you are not being genuine with affirmations? How do you stop them from feeling patronized?
51:40 – Question 7: How are affirmations and compliments different?
58:20 – Question 8: What’s the best way to learn MI?
1:07:45 – Question 9: How am I supposed to do MI when I don’t have enough time?
1:18:25 – David looking forward to being a grandfather!
1:20:56 – End of episode
Links and contact information:
Email: David.rosengren@primeforlife.org
Website: www.primeforlife.org
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-rosengren-pri/
For suggestions, questions and to enquire about training in Motivational Interviewing contact Glenn & Sebastian
Email: podcast@glennhinds.com
Twitter:
ChangeTalking
Glenn Hinds
Sebastian Kaplan
For all previous episodes CLICK HERE
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Dec 20, 2022 • 1h 12min
Ep 63 – Therapeutic Humor Part II
Therapeutic Humor – Part II
Glenn and Sebastian welcomed Mallori DeSalle, MA, LMHC, NCC, CMHC, MATS, CPS, CHP and Lodge McCammon, PhD on the podcast to discuss therapeutic humor (Listen to episode 21 with Mallori for part I on this topic). Mallori is a licensed mental health counselor, an internationally certified prevention specialist, motivational interviewing trainer and a certified humor professional. As a speaker and trainer, she has sparked curiosity in both the young and young-at-heart. Her passion for creating a lasting impact led her to the public health field and for the past 15 years she has worked at Prevention Insights, a center within the School of Public Health at Indiana University, Bloomington. Mallori works with people all over the world. She served on the Board of Directors for the Association for Applied and Therapeutic Humor and in 2021 became a TEDx speaker. Her credentials don’t impress her family, but occasionally her corny jokes do make them laugh.
Dr. Lodge McCammon is a therapeutic humorist, instructional designer, author, musician, and international education consultant who provides professional services, including keynote speeches, workshops, curriculum development, and a variety of training programs. He works with school districts, universities, nonprofits, and businesses (e.g., Palm Beach Schools, University of the West Indies, Discovery Education, Microsoft, Amazon, The Coca-Cola Company). Most recently, Lodge facilitated a month of therapeutic humor for the Nourished Teachers Community, which is a Facebook-funded initiative focused on helping educators cope with work stress and avoid burnout. He uses a program that he designed called “Laugh It Off!” to help his clients transform their daily frustrations into humor.
Episode index:
00:00 – Introduction and episode preview
03:39 – Lodge’s introduction and how he and Mallori came to work together
09:00 – Evoking with humor
13:00 – What is humor?
17:00 – An invitation to see a situation in a new way
26:00 – Absurdity training
28:10 – Renaming exercise
34:45 – Finding the absurd from an expected response
40:52 – “I am now ___ years old”
48:25 – The portability of therapeutic humor
54:40 – How to introduce a humorous intervention with permission
1:01:10 – Future trainings and applying therapeutic humor with couples
1:05:20 – Seb’s story applying therapeutic humor in group therapy with adolescents
1:11.21 – End of episode
Links and contact information:
Mallori
Website: www.malloridesalle.com
Email: malloridesalle@gmail.com
Lodge
Website: www.lodgemccammon.com
For suggestions, questions and to enquire about training in Motivational Interviewing contact Glenn & Sebastian
Email: podcast@glennhinds.com
Twitter:
ChangeTalking
Glenn Hinds
Sebastian Kaplan
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Nov 28, 2022 • 1h 17min
Ep 62 – Transtheoretical Model Stages of Change & MI
Transtheoretical Model Cycle of Change & MI
Glenn and Sebastian were excited to have Mary Marden Velasquez, PhD, on the podcast to discuss the Transtheoretical Model, including the Stages of Change. Dr. Velasquez is Centennial Professor in Leadership for Community, Professional and Corporate Excellence, Director of the Health Behavior Research and Training Institute (HBRT), and former Associate Dean for Research (2006-2013) at The University of Texas at Austin Steve Hicks School of Social Work. She also holds appointments in the Department of Population Health and Psychiatry at UT-Austin’s Dell Medical School. Prior to moving to UT-Austin to become Associate Dean for Research, Dr. Velasquez served on the research faculty in the Psychology Department at the University of Houston and as tenured faculty and Director of Research in Family and Community Medicine at the UT McGovern Medical School in Houston. Her program of research focuses on the development and implementation of interventions using the Transtheoretical Model and Motivational Interviewing. With over 30 years of continued support from the National Institutes of Health and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Dr. Velasquez has developed and studied behavioral interventions in the areas of integrated primary care, screening and brief interventions, fetal alcohol spectrum disorder, alcohol and other drug abuse, prenatal health, HIV prevention, and smoking cessation. A current emphasis is on teaching graduate students and health professionals to work in interdisciplinary teams and to use brief motivational interventions in medical settings.
Dr. Velasquez recently completed a four-year term as a study section member on the NIH-Center for Scientific Review “Interventions to Prevent and Treat Addictions” (IPTA). She is an internationally recognized trainer in the Transtheoretical Model and Motivational Interviewing and is a member of the international Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers
Episode index:
00:00 – Introduction and episode preview
05:37 – Mary’s early TTM and MI story
17:50 – The 10 Processes of Change
21:21 – Experiential Process #1: Consciousness raising
24:08 – Experiential Process #2: Emotional arousal
26:21 – Experiential Process #3: Self-evaluation
28:57 – Experiential Process #4: Environmental re-evaluation
30:52 – Experiential Process #5: Social liberation
33:31 – The Stages of Change
39:35 – Experiential processes linked to long-term change
47:25 – Behavioral Process #1: Stimulus control
48:13 – Behavioral Process #2: Counter conditioning
49:23 – Behavioral Process #3: Reinforcement management
51:01 – Behavioral Process #4: Self-liberation
52:09 – Behavioral Process #5: Helping relationships
55:05 – Applying the model flexibly
1:00:35 – The stages of change and MI: The “kissing cousins”
1:02:25 – Decisional balance and self-efficacy
1:10:43 – Temptation
1:12:25 – Spending time with giants in the field
1:16:57 – End of episode
Links and contact information:
Study cited in episode:
Stotts AL, DiClemente CC, Carbonari JP, Mullen PD. Pregnancy smoking cessation: a case of mistaken identity. Addict Behav. 1996 Jul-Aug;21(4):459-71. doi: 10.1016/0306-4603(95)00082-8. PMID: 8830904.
Book cited in episode: https://www.guilford.com/books/Group-Treatment-for-Substance-Abuse/Velasquez-Crouch-Stephens-DiClemente/9781462523405
Health Behavior and Training Institute:
https://sites.utexas.edu/hbrt/
For suggestions, questions and to enquire about training in Motivational Interviewing contact Glenn & Sebastian
Email: podcast@glennhinds.com
Twitter:
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Glenn Hinds
Sebastian Kaplan
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Nov 4, 2022 • 1h 11min
Ep 61 – Motivational Interviewing & Grief
Motivational Interviewing & Grief
Dr. M. Katherine Shear is the Marion E. Kenworthy Professor of Psychiatry and the founding Director of the Center for Prolonged Grief at Columbia University School of Social Work. Dr. Shear is a clinical researcher who first worked in anxiety and depression. For the past 25 years, she has focused on understanding and treating people who experience persistent, intense grief, which is now an official diagnosis called Prolonged Grief Disorder in the ICD-11 and DSM-5. She developed and tested Complicated Grief Therapy/Prolonged Grief Disorder Therapy, a short-term, strength-based intervention that helps foster adaptation to loss and confirmed its efficacy in three large NIMH-funded studies.
Dr. Shear is widely recognized for her work in bereavement, including both research and clinical awards from the Association for Death Education and Counseling and invited authorship of articles for Uptodate and the New England Journal of Medicine. Her work includes more than 330 peer-reviewed publications. She’s developed several widely used assessment instruments and a PGDT instruction manual.
Dr. Shear received a BS in biology with honors from the University of Chicago and an MD from Tufts University Medical School. She completed residencies in Internal Medicine and Psychiatry and a psychosomatic fellowship before beginning her clinical research career.
Episode index:
00:00 – Introduction and episode preview
04:40 – Dr. Shear’s early MI story
12:00 – What is grief? Why do we experience it? Why does it change over time?
17:17 – What are we losing when a loved one dies?
26:18 – Adaptation after loss
32:15 – The six healing milestones
56:45 – The experience of the practitioner: Self-care and self-compassion
1:02:30 – Sudden vs. expected loss
1:07:08 – Dr. Shear’s work around grief in the African-American community
1:11:16 – End of episode
Links and contact information:
Websites:
https://prolongedgrief.columbia.edu/
https://hospicefoundation.ie/
For suggestions, questions and to enquire about training in Motivational Interviewing contact Glenn & Sebastian
Email: podcast@glennhinds.com
Twitter:
ChangeTalking
Glenn Hinds
Sebastian Kaplan
For all previous episodes CLICK HERE
We welcome all donations to support us
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Oct 3, 2022 • 1h 35min
Ep 60 – Training MI Across Cultures
Training MI Across Cultures
Glenn and Sebastian welcomed Rik Bes on the podcast to discuss his work training MI across cultures. Rik has a background in social work and criminal law. He is co-founder – with Prof. Stephen Rollnick; currently semi-retired – of the not-for-private-profit foundation Centre for Motivation and Change, which was established in 1997. This centre works on a national and international level to bring motivational interviewing (MI) to many different areas (medical and non-medical), settings, cultures and countries around the globe. He has led the development of many online, offline and hybrid MI learning programmes, supporting healthcare professionals from a variety of specialities to have more effective and more patient-centred consultations with their patients
He is a member of MINT (Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers) since 1995 and contributed to the development of this organisation in the role of board member 2002 – 2008 and senior advisor (Director Emeritus, 2008 – 2014) to the Board of Directors of MINT Inc.
Episode index:
00:00 – Introduction and episode preview
05:27 – Rik’s early MI story
13:45 – Bringing client-centeredness to addiction services in The Netherlands
25:30 – Broadening the cultural scope
39:30 – Adaptations and metaphors from the Middle East to New Zealand
1:12:00 – The importance of co-training and seeking feedback
1:24:00 – Developing hybrid training programs
1:34:46 – End of episode
Links and contact information:
Twitter: rikbes@me.com
LinkedIn: http://linkedin.com/in/rik-bes-56478121
For suggestions, questions and to enquire about training in Motivational Interviewing contact Glenn & Sebastian
Email: podcast@glennhinds.com
Twitter:
ChangeTalking
Glenn Hinds
Sebastian Kaplan
For all previous episodes CLICK HERE
We welcome all donations to support us
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Sep 19, 2022 • 1h 6min
Ep 59 – Lessons From The Lab: The Gifts of MI
Lessons from the Lab: The Gifts of MI
Glenn and Sebastian welcomed Dr. Molly Magill for another edition of Lessons from the Lab, where she discusses her research and what she refers to as the Gifts of MI. Dr. Magill is currently an Associate Research Professor in the Department of Behavioral and Social Sciences in the Brown University School of Public Health. Dr. Magill is also the Director of Biostatistics at the Brown University Center for Alcohol and Addiction Studies. Dr. Magill’s broad area of study is mechanisms of behavior change in psychosocial treatment for alcohol and other drug use disorders. The goal of this work is to guide intervention development and refinement. In her most recent research, she is focused on therapist or counselor training methods that are based on common factors of established behavioral interventions.
00:00 – Introduction and episode preview
04:35 – Molly’s introduction and early MI story
12:05 – MI as a “revolutionary approach”
19:10 – Molly’s interest in therapy manuals and her search for an integrative model
24:10 – Why we search for the “engine”’
30:15 – Process research and the hypotheses for why MI works
40:20 – Important findings from MI process research
54: 30 – The three gifts of MI: 1) Be nice; 2) Be present; and 3) Therapist training
1:00:35 – Molly sharing a personal story
1:06:03 – End of episode
Links and contact information:
Email: molly_magill@brown.edu
For suggestions, questions and to enquire about training in Motivational Interviewing contact Glenn & Sebastian
Email: podcast@glennhinds.com
Twitter:
ChangeTalking
Glenn Hinds
Sebastian Kaplan
For all previous episodes CLICK HERE
We welcome all donations to support us
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Aug 30, 2022 • 1h 8min
Ep 58 – MI and the Māori Culture
MI and the Māori Culture
Glenn and Sebastian welcomed Tipene Pickett on to discuss the Māori Culture from New Zealand and its relationship in the practice and teaching of Motivational inetrveiwng. Here is his bio:
Nga Ngaru a Te Huki te Maunga – The waves of Te Huki is my Mountain
Waihua te Awa – Waihua is my River
Kahungunu te Iwi – Kahungunu is my tribe
Kurahikakawa te Hapu – Kurahikakawa is my Sub-tribe
Waihua te Marae – Waihua is my Marae
Ko Tipene Pickett toku ingoa – Tipene Pickett is my name
Post Grad Cert Health Sciences, BA psych & Anthro., Member of Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers (MINT) since 2013.
I have been an alcohol and drug since 1998 in a number of Governmental, NGO and Kaupapa Māori settings. A practitioner of Motivational Interviewing (MI) for the past 20 years and an MI trainer of trainers since 2013.
I’m currently self employed since 2019 and employed as a trainer for several Government District Health Boards as well as Non Government Organisations as a trainer for upskilling people in a variety of roles and across a number of disciplines including – Clinical Psychologists, Psychiatrists, Social Workers, Alcohol and Drug Clinicians. Peer Support Workers as well as Cultural Consultants. This also includes strategic planning and implementation to embed MI into the infrastructure of organizations in order to achieve a sustainable culture of ongoing evaluation and upskilling to maintain MI practitioners proficiency.
I provide a wide spectrum of MI training including MI with groups, coaching as well as training in the use of the Motivational Interviewing Treatment Integrity (MITI) & Video Assessment of Simulated Encounters (VASE-R NZ).
My special interest is in the relationship between MI and indigenous knowledge and wisdom. To that end I’ve had the privilege of developing a framework for framing the journey of MI within the context of the Maori language (Te Reo) and practices (Tikanga) as well as contemporary Maori models of health as well as use of traditional Pūrakau (narratives of origin) of enhancing wellbeing.
As a member of the Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers means I’m part of a global community of people who share a similar vision of change and scrutiny of professional practice in order to be the most effective clinicians we can be by embracing the way of being MI offers
He manu e kai ana i te miro, nōnā to ngahere. He manu e kai ana i te matauranga, nōnā to ao.
A bird who feeds of the miro berry, theirs is the forest. A bird who feeds on knowledge, theirs is the world.
00:00 – Introduction and episode preview
04:48 – Tipene’s introduction, early MI story, and his discovery of his own culture
14:45 – The experience of confrontation and learning about what’s more helpful
19:00 – Discovering what’s within you and who you are
26:30 – Engagement, self-disclosure, and narratives of origin
48:30 – Confidence rulers
1:01:30 – How might language change our physiology?
1:07:55 – End of episode
Glossary of Māori terms used in this episode:
Pepeha a description of tribal identity that includes:
Maunga – mountain
Awa – river
Hapuu – kinship group with common ancesto
Iwi – collection of hapuu with common ancestral canoe
Ka maa te ariki, ka maa te tauira – as we have chiefs, we are students
Mauri – Life principle and individual uniqueness
Mana – One’s sphere of influence and personal power
Tapu – 1./ origins of universe inscribed within you. 2./ state of constriction
Karakia – command to influence elemental energies toward a specific purpose i.e.creating safety, increasing energy of objectivity and openness and so on
Mihimihi – process of acknowledgements on one’s mana, tapu, connections to others, environment and purpose
Whaanaungatanga – process of establishing connections be sharing one’s pepeha, potentially creating ancestral connections as well as locating someone in a certain area of NZ. Create sense of belonging.
Whaanaunga – extended relation
Waiata – song
Kia tau te rangimarie – be settled with the vibration of peace
Puurakau – narrative of origin (literally the ‘universal origins in the sound of the story of the tree’)
Tikanga – a right way of doing things. 7 protected knowledge
Whakapapa – Ancestral connections tracing their origins to the earth mother
Links and contact information:
Email: tipenepickett007@gmail.com
For suggestions, questions and to enquire about training in Motivational Interviewing contact Glenn & Sebastian
Email: podcast@glennhinds.com
Twitter:
ChangeTalking
Glenn Hinds
Sebastian Kaplan
For all previous episodes CLICK HERE
We welcome all donations to support us
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