

Talking To Change - A Motivational Interviewing Podcast
Glenn Hinds & Sebastian Kaplan
Hosted by Glenn Hinds and Sebastian Kaplan, Talking To Change – A Motivational Interviewing podcast, is a series of conversations exploring Motivational Interviewing (MI) and its influence on supporting individuals and groups as they make positive health and lifestyle changes. Guests from across the world discuss their special interest in the research, practice and learning of MI along with its place across health, social care, education and criminal justice.
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Aug 30, 2021 • 44min
Ep 48 – MI in schools
MI in schools
Glenn and Sebastian welcomed Andrew Williams, NPQH to the podcast for a fascinating and timely discussion on MI in schools. Andy has taught for 28 years, the last 10 years as Deputy Headteacher at a large secondary school in South Wales. He was the winner of the Pearson’s Teacher of the Year Award in 2000. His work on building a frame for maintaining and repairing relationships has led him to be seconded to work with Chief Constable at Gwent Police Force,
Andy has served alongside the Chief Executive Officer in three Local Authorities and most recently with a Championship Football Club. He has worked closely with Professor Stephen Rollnick on Motivational Interviewing in School and has provided seminars across the world on restorative approaches and the link to mental health and wellbeing. In addition to his work with Professor Rollnick he is now working with Dr Belinda Hopkins on mediation and restorative leadership.
He is a practising Zen Buddhist and lives with his partner Matthew and his young Beagle, Olly.
00:00 – A peek at the episode
05:30 – Andy’s intro and early MI story: Developing a culture in schools that supports quality relationships
09:00 – Community over compliance: “Well-being comes in the slipstream of good learning”
13:15 – Implementation of culture change in schools leads to improvements in behavior and learning
19:10 – How restorative approaches blend with MI and a more inclusive school culture
25:10 – Teachers’ use of MI processes and skills facilitates good learning
30:00 – Why affirmations are more helpful than praise
32:30 – Reintegrating the school community as members return from, and amidst COVID
42:00 – Andy finishing his dissertation on mindfulness with children in schools and other projects
43:51 – End of recording
Links and contact information:
– email: connectandy00@gmail.com
– Website: www.restoreourschools.com
For suggestions, questions and to enquire about training in Motivational Interviewing contact Glenn & Sebastian
Email: podcast@glennhinds.com
Twitter:
ChangeTalking
Glenn Hinds
Sebastian Kaplan
For all previous episodes CLICK HERE
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Aug 10, 2021 • 1h 10min
Ep 47 – MI in Diabetes Care
MI in Diabetes Care
Glenn and Sebastian were happy to have Judith Carpenter on the podcast. To discuss MI in diabetes care. Judith has been an MI trainer for over 20 years and a registered dietitian for over 30; Currently working as a Specialist Diabetes Dietitian alongside working as an MI trainer, she integrates MI into her dietetic consultations. Judith became involved in MI in order to improve clinical care with her patients.
Judith started her own training consultancy in 2008 to concentrate on delivering motivational interviewing training and has delivered 100’s of trainings over the past decades to a variety of professionals working in healthcare, social care and other professional groups. She has extensive experience in MI training and helping people to learn MI and is a MINT Certified Trainer [Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers].
She is an active member of MINT, sat on the Board of Directors for this international organisation from 2009-2013, organised MINT’s annual international conference from 2014-2019, and is a current committee member of the MINT UK and Ireland Chapter.
0:00 – A peek at the episode
3:00 – Judith’s intro and early MI story – “If you change what you do you change what you get”
9:00 – Diabetes: Definitions, facts, and impact on people
14:00 – Living with diabetes
18:45 – Responding to your “righting reflex” with “a kind heart”
26:30 – Effective directing
32:00 – What’s been helpful when working with people with diabetes: Curiosity, evoking, and feedback from clients
39:30 – Levelling power imbalances – “I’m a beginner in their world”
42:00 – Engagement
50:30 – More facts about Type I and II diabetes
58:30 – Psychological aspects of diabetes
1:02:00 – Worry about opening “the can of worms” and how MI can help
1:07:30 – Judith embarking on a year of health
1:10:07 – End of recording
Links and contact information:
Email: optimalchangeMI@gmail.com
Twitter: @optimalchangemi
For suggestions, questions and to enquire about training in Motivational Interviewing contact Glenn & Sebastian
Email: podcast@glennhinds.com
Twitter:
ChangeTalking
Glenn Hinds
Sebastian Kaplan
For all previous episodes CLICK HERE
We welcome all donations to support us
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Jul 19, 2021 • 1h
Ep 46 – Reducing Burnout and Compassion Fatigue
Reducing Burnout and Compassion Fatigue
Glenn and Sebastian welcomed Kristin Dempsey and Ali Hall to the podcast to discuss reducing burnout and compassion fatigue
Kristin Dempsey, EdD is a psychotherapist, counselor educator, and Motivational Interviewing Trainer working and living in the San Francisco Bay Area. Kristin has worked in community health settings for over 25 years and specializes in addiction, dual diagnosis, and trauma treatment. She also helps organizations implement motivational interviewing and other evidence based practices and assess organizational responsiveness to employee wellness and trauma informed care.
Ali Hall is a member of the Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers (MINT), a MINT Certified Trainer, and an independent consultant and trainer. Ali currently serves on the MINT Board of Directors, focusing on professional skill development for MI practitioners and trainers. Ali served as a Lead Trainer for the International MINT Training for New Trainers (TNT) in Warsaw (2019), New Orleans (2018) and Berlin (2015). Ali facilitates Motivational Interviewing (MI) workshops for behavioral health providers, health care providers, wraparound providers, senior service providers, criminal justice professionals. psychologists, and psychiatrists, and provides training for trainers in evidence-based practices. Ali is the co-developer of the Motivational Interviewing Competency Assessment (MICA), a coding and coaching tool for MI skill improvement. She was a subject matter expert for the MI demonstration series “MI with Adolescents” produced by psychotherapy.net CLICK HERE that includes MI with Adolescents: Core Concepts, MI in Juvenile Justice Settings, MI for Adolescent Health Behavior and MI for Adolescent Substance Use. Ali is also the co-author of the book Motivational Interviewing for Mental Health Clinicians: A Toolkit for Skill Development (2021).
0:00 – Opening/introduction
3:10 – Kristin and Ali’s early MI stories
8:45 – Kristin and Ali’s collaboration story; recent focus on structural issues in organizations that have worsened due to COVID and climate crises.
12:40 – Definitions: Burnout, compassion fatigue, secondary traumatic stress, and shared trauma
14:00 – Organizational responses to stress
16:00 – Why and how MI might be helpful for burnout
25:00 – MI as a bridge to positive organizational outcomes
31:30 – Why doing MI might be helpful for the practitioner
39:25 – Helping the helpers: Kristin leads a meditation
46:00 – Ali discusses the concept of a self-compassion break
47:45 – Other organizational strategies (e.g. diverse caseloads, offering breaks)
54:00 – What’s ahead for Kristin and Ali: De-Centering dominant cultures in educational materials, collaborations, environmentally conscious gardening, and long-distance swimming
For suggestions, questions and to enquire about training in Motivational Interviewing contact Glenn & Sebastian
Email: podcast@glennhinds.com
Twitter:
ChangeTalking
Glenn Hinds
Sebastian Kaplan
For all previous episodes CLICK HERE
We welcome all donations to support us
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Jun 21, 2021 • 1h 6min
Ep 45 – Effective Psychotherapists with Bill Miller & Terri Moyers
Effective Psychotherapists with Bill Miller & Terri Moyers
Glenn and Sebastian were honored to have Drs. William R. Miller and Theresa B. Moyers, authors of “Effective Psychotherapists”, on Talking to Change. Dr. Miller is Emeritus Distinguished Professor of Psychology and Psychiatry at the University of New Mexico where he served as Director of Clinical Training for the doctoral program in clinical psychology and as a Founder and Co-Director of the Center on Alcoholism, Substance Abuse and Addictions (CASAA). Miller’s publications include over 60 books and 400 articles and chapters. Fundamentally interested in the psychology of change, he has focused in
particular on the development, testing, and dissemination of behavioral treatments for addictions. He introduced the method of motivational interviewing (MI) in 1983 and with Dr. Stephen Rollnick has authored three editions of the primary textbook on MI. With 45 years of experience in addiction research and treatment, he has served as principal investigator for numerous research grants and contracts, founded a private practice group, directed a large public treatment program, and served as a consultant to many organizations including the United States Senate, the World Health Organization, the National Academy of Sciences, and the National Institutes of Health. In recognition of his research contributions, Dr. Miller is a recipient of the international Jellinek Memorial Award, two career achievement awards from the American Psychological Association, and an Innovators in Combating Substance Abuse award from the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation. He maintains an active interest in the interface of spirituality and psychology. His books have been translated into 28 languages, and the Institute for Scientific Information has listed him as one of the world’s most cited scientists.
Dr. Moyers is an Associate Professor of Psychology at the University of New Mexico where she specializes in the treatment of addictive behaviors. Her research program focuses on teaching clinicians to use evidence-based treatments including motivational interviewing in the addictions field as well as identifying active ingredients in motivational interviewing. Dr. Moyers has published more than 30 peer-reviewed publications related to motivational interviewing and has presented it at conferences and workshops in 42 States and 16 countries. Dr. Moyers also trains and competes with her Border Collie in dog agility. She finds it a natural fit and uses motivational interviewing to help dog trainers warm up to positive training methods.
0:00 – Opening/introduction
5:37 – Bill’s early MI story: The Norway sabbatical and beyond
11:00 – Bill and Terri’s story of collaboration through research and writing
14:45 – Predicting therapy outcomes beyond techniques
19:40 – Bill and Terri’s most important skill to learn: Empathy and Genuineness
23:47 – The internal experience and the external skill: How therapists develop both
30:20 – What not to do and how you can tell
33:30 – Belief in others matters, both for clients and for therapists
39:28 – Learning the core characteristics through doing and through feedback
51:00 – What Bill and Terri learned from writing the book
58:20 – How MI changed Bill and Terri and what’s on their horizons
1:06:29 – End of recording
Links and contact information:
Email for Bill: wrmiller@unm.edu
Email for Terri: tmoyers@unm.edu
Recent Books:
Miller, W. R., & Moyers, T. B. (2021). Effective psychotherapists: Clinical skills that improve client outcomes. New York: Guilford Press.
Miller, W. R., Forcehimes, A. A., & Zweben, A. (2019). Treating addiction: A guide for professionals (2nd ed.). New York: Guilford Press.
Miller, W.R. (2018). Listening well: The art of empathic understanding. Eugene OR: Wipf & Stock.
Miller, W. R. (2017). Lovingkindness: Realizing and practicing your true self. Eugene OR: Wipf & Stock.
Miller, W. R., & Homer, L. K. (2016). Portals: Two lives intertwined by adoption. Eugene, OR: Wipf & Stock.
Steinberg, M., & Miller, W. R. (2015). Motivational interviewing in diabetes care. New York: Guilford Press.
Arkowitz, H., Miller, W. R., & Rollnick, S. (Eds.) (2015). Motivational interviewing in the treatment of psychological problems (2nd ed.). New York: Guilford Press.
Miller, W. R., & Rollnick, S. (2013). Motivational interviewing: Helping people change (3rd ed.). New York: Guilford Press.
Miller, W. R., & Muñoz, R. F. (2013). Controlling your drinking (2nd ed.). New York: Guilford Press.
For suggestions, questions and to enquire about training in Motivational Interviewing contact Glenn & Sebastian
Email: podcast@glennhinds.com
Twitter:
ChangeTalking
Glenn Hinds
Sebastian Kaplan
For all previous episodes CLICK HERE
We welcome all donations to support us
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May 26, 2021 • 57min
Ep 44 – MI & Social Support for Opiate & Stimulant Use Disorders
Opiate
In part two of a pair of episodes on MI for opiate and stimulant use disorders, Glenn and Sebastian happily welcomed Paul Delaney to the podcast. Paul is a clinical supervisor, therapist, adult educationalist and trainer, based in Dublin, Ireland. His background is in the addictions field originally working as an addiction counsellor helping to develop Employee Assistance Programmes. He received his initial training in Motivational Interviewing in 1992 in the UK and after further training he became a member of the Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers (MINT) after attending the first MINT Forum in Malta in 1997. Paul says he was privileged to have been chosen to chair the local host committee for the 20th anniversary meeting of MINT, held in Dublin, Ireland in October 2017. He holds a pilot’s licence and says that in his leisure time he likes nothing better than flying his group’s Cirrus SR20 aircraft, stating that it helps to keep him grounded!
0:00 – Opening/introduction
3:40 – Paul’s early MI story and ongoing work as a substance use counselor and flying instructor
14:30 – Beyond altruism
19:20 – A lovely example of the MI spirit
28:15 – Working with people who misuse opiates and stimulants
33:30 – Avoiding the premature focus trap
41:00 – Supporting autonomy with someone who uses heroin
46:07 – Harm reduction
52:05 – MI and restorative justice
56:51 – End of recording
Links and contact information:
Email: pdelaney3@gmail.com
Restorative justice resources:
Institute for Restorative Practices: https://www.iirp.edu/
European Forum for Restorative Justice: https://www.euforumrj.org/en
For suggestions, questions and to enquire about training in Motivational Interviewing contact Glenn & Sebastian
Email: podcast@glennhinds.com
Twitter:
ChangeTalking
Glenn Hinds
Sebastian Kaplan
For all previous episodes CLICK HERE
We welcome all donations to support us
GBP
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May 13, 2021 • 1h
Ep 43 – MI & Weight Management
Episode 43 – MI in Weight Management Services
Glenn and Sebastian are delighted explore MI in weight management services by welcoming Claire Lane onto the podcast. Claire is a clinical psychologist, currently working within the cardiac rehabilitation team in Swansea Bay University Health Board, UK. She specialises in working with adults in physical healthcare settings, and has extensive experience working within specialist weight management and bariatric services within the National Health Service (NHS). She has a background in academic research, and has published in the area of health behaviour change and motivational interviewing. Claire is a member of the Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers (MINT), and currently sits on the MINT UK & Ireland Committee. In her free time, Claire enjoys dance fitness classes, Pilates and hiking, as well as cooking and eating delicious food. She enjoys singing in a community choir, and spending time with her son Oscar, and husband Graham.
0:00 – Opening/introduction
1:10 – Claire’s intro and early MI story: From linguistics to psychology
10:20 – Complexities of working in a weight management service
18:45 – Establishing safety and highlighting strengths through engagement
25:40 – The focusing process and blending MI with other therapies
30:50 – Client-centered agenda setting
37:20 – Responding to clients who say “Just tell me what to do”
41:30 – Drawing on people’s past efforts at weight loss
46:50 – Raising concerns, with permission
50:30 – How to talk about the number on the scale
55:20 – Claire singing!
60:10 – End of recording
Links and contact information:
Email: clairelane1978@gmail.com
Terms Claire referenced:
BECCI – The Behaviour Change Counseling Index
PHQ9 – Patient Health Questionnaire (Screening for symptoms of depression)
GAD7 – Generalized Anxiety Disorder (Screening for symptoms of anxiety)
For suggestions, questions and to enquire about training in Motivational Interviewing contact Glenn & Sebastian
Email: podcast@glennhinds.com
Twitter:
ChangeTalking
Glenn Hinds
Sebastian Kaplan
For all previous episodes CLICK HERE
We welcome all donations to support us
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Apr 27, 2021 • 1h 9min
Ep 42 – MI for people with Opioid Use and Stimulant Use Disorders
Roy Stein, a Clinical Professor of Psychiatry specializing in addiction treatment, discusses the complexities of opioid and stimulant use disorders. He emphasizes the need for empathy and individualized care in addiction treatment. Stein shares effective harm reduction strategies and highlights the importance of motivational interviewing in navigating the challenges faced by individuals dealing with substance use. The conversation also touches on the emotional toll on practitioners and the necessity of maintaining balance while supporting patients.

Mar 15, 2021 • 1h 2min
Ep 41 – Ethical Considerations in MI
Episode 41: Ethical Considerations in MI
In episode 41 of TTC Podcast, Glenn and Sebastian explore Ethical Considerations in MI with Patrick Berthiaume. Patrick studied sexology to begin his professional life in the support of people living in a reality of sex work. He worked for several years in public health in the Quebec health network. It is during these years that he learned motivational interviewing (MI) which created a real passion for him. In 2008 he received his training as a trainer and became a member of the Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers (MINT) where he is very involved. His professional life is entirely devoted to MI. In 2014 he created his own training and supervision company. He has constantly deepened and strengthened his practice by attending several advanced training courses. He is involved in several research projects. He is committed to offering the quality and rigor of MI to make the helping professions more humane. He thus seeks to support the integration of this efficient approach in the French-speaking world.
0:00 – Opening/introduction
3:15 – Patrick’s introduction and early MI story
8:30 – Importance of empathy and the potential of others
17:00 – Patrick’s four conditions of MI:
Change Target
Ambivalence
Professional Position
Benevolence
24:30 – Considering neutrality
37:30 – Ethical dilemmas involving families with children at risk: What’s the mandate?
50:20 – Acceptance vs tolerance or approval
54:20 – Vulnerability
62:20 – End of recording
Links and contact information:
Email: info@perspectivesante.com
Website: www.perspectivesante.com
For suggestions, questions and to enquire about training in Motivational Interviewing contact Glenn & Sebastian
Email: podcast@glennhinds.com
Twitter:
ChangeTalking
Glenn Hinds
Sebastian Kaplan
For all previous episodes CLICK HERE
We welcome all donations to support us
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Feb 24, 2021 • 53min
Ep 40 – MI for youth with HIV
Episode 40 – MI for youth with HIV
Glenn and Sebastian were thrilled to welcome good friend Salome Nicole Cockern, PhD (Nikki) to the podcast. Nikki is a Paediatric Psychologist and Assistant Professor at Wayne State University, with extensive experience implementing health behavior change interventions for adolescents and young adults. She is the psychologist and lifeline in the adolescent HIV clinic in Detroit, MI, and has provided clinical supervision for several research projects including Healthy Choices targeting youth living with HIV, We Test, and the Young Men’s Health Project targeting risk behaviors and PrEP (HIV prevention medication) initiation in young men who have sex with men. She has been a member of the Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers (MINT) since 2004 and uses MI in clinical practice with youth in the areas of adherence, substance use, mental illness, partner violence, coping and risk reduction. In addition to supervising intervention staff on several clinical research trials, she actively trains staff in various community and state agencies, as well as train and supervise residents and other medical professionals and community health workers in MI. Lastly, Nikki is active in several subcommittees within the MINT organization addressing inclusion and diversity among the membership and in trainings, as well as the mentoring and coaching of new members.
0:00 – Opening/introduction
1:15 – Nikki’s introduction and early MI story
8:40 – Intentionality when working with young people
11:45 – Conversations with youth to support healthy decisions
17:10 – Helping young people with HIV feel valued
20:15 – Use of affirmations
28:00 – Being mindful to be helpful
36:50 – Judgment doesn’t help
44:20 – What am I responsible for?
46:30 – Nikki rediscovering play during the pandemic
53:10 – End of recording
Links and contact information:
Email: snikkcockern@gmail.com
Links and contact information:
For suggestions, questions and to enquire about training in Motivational Interviewing contact Glenn & Sebastian
Email: podcast@glennhinds.com
Twitter:
ChangeTalking
Glenn Hinds
Sebastian Kaplan
For all previous episodes CLICK HERE
We welcome all donations to support us
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Feb 7, 2021 • 49min
Ep 39 – MI with people who are homeless
Ep 39 – MI with people who are homeless
In exploring MI with people who are homeless, Glenn and Sebastian, warmly welcome Danny Lang, MSW to the podcast. Danny has over 25 years’ experience in the field of mental health and substance misuse. He currently works as a registered social worker, psychotherapist at the Canadian Mental Health Association in Ottawa Canada where he provides group and individual therapy for individuals with co-occurring mental health and substance use disorders. Danny is a member of the Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers and his areas of interest include homelessness, concurrent disorders and working with ale survivors of sexual abuse.
0:00 – Opening/introduction
1:10 – Danny’s introduction and early MI story
9:00 – MI Spirit as the “container” of the four processes
13:50 – Resisting the “righting reflex”
17:40 – Client feedback as evidence of effectiveness
24:00 – Self-care
27:50 – Danny’s “walk and talks”
34:30 – It’s not always about MI
42:00 – Helpful skills for helpful conversations
45:45 – Danny’s life in the martial arts
49:24 – End of recording
Links and contact information:
– Email: dklang46@gmail.com
– Instagram: @dannylang613
Links and contact information:
For suggestions, questions and to enquire about training in Motivational Interviewing contact Glenn & Sebastian
Email: podcast@glennhinds.com
Twitter:
ChangeTalking
Glenn Hinds
Sebastian Kaplan
For all previous episodes CLICK HERE
We welcome all donations to support us
GBP
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