
How To Succeed In Product Management | Jeffrey Shulman, Red Russak & Soumeya Benghanem
Learn from some of the best product managers in the world through conversations hosted by The Product Management Center at the University of Washington. In each episode, Jeff Shulman, Red Russak, and Soumeya Benghanem dive into the tools, frameworks, and thought processes that will help drive success in product management.
Latest episodes

Feb 15, 2023 • 42min
74: Startup Founder vs. Startup PM vs. Corporate PM
In this episode of the How to Succeed in Product Management Podcast, marketing professor Jeff Shulman and The Product Management Center advisory board member Soumeya Benghanem welcome Garrett Gross (Xemelgo) and JC Landivar (True Tickets) as they discuss the difference between being a startup founder and startup PMs and also corporate PMs. What makes startup founders unique and how can PMs transition to being a founder? Let’s find out more from our panelists today!
Disclaimer: All opinions of the speakers are their own.
Support for How to Succeed in Product Management is brought to you by Apptentive, which enables product managers to measure shifts in customer emotion and gather actionable feedback across the mobile customer journey. To learn more, go to Apptentive.com/UW.
What to Listen For:
00:00 Intro
06:15 Being a startup founder
09:46 What makes a startup founder unique?
11:40 From PM to founder
13:38 Influence without authority
15:17 Become a founder vs. become a product manager
24:41 What makes a startup PM?
32:12 Final thoughts

Feb 8, 2023 • 50min
Best of 2021: The Different Styles of Decision-Making
In this episode of the How to Succeed in Product Management Podcast, marketing professor Jeff Shulman and The Product Management Center advisory board members Red Russak and Soumeya Benghanem welcome Adam Grupp (Woodhaven Advisors), Greg Young (Collectors Universe), Sumathi Kadambi (Zillow), Marily Nika (Meta), and Sumantro Das (Mattress Firm) as they discuss the importance of decision making in the success of any project. The panel of experts, known and respected in their respective expertise, share valuable tips and insights on what it takes to come up with the right decision.
Disclaimer: All opinions of the speakers are their own.
Support for How to Succeed in Product Management is brought to you by Apptentive, which enables product managers to measure shifts in customer emotion and gather actionable feedback across the mobile customer journey. To learn more, go to Apptentive.com/UW.
What to Listen For:
00:00 Intro
01:03 The different styles of decision-making
03:44 “Understand the right process and structure to use to frame up decisions.”
05:37 “The expensive and scary are the ones where it's a long-term commitment you can’t change so easily.”
08:05 The cost of failing to make a decision and the fear of decision-making.
12:17 “Create your own metrics for your own product.”
14:57 What’s your bold thought on decision-making?
16:37 Is data just confirming what you already know or do you have some wild changes based off of it?
20:02 Half of PM decisions are decisions they’re not even conscious of
21:26 Build an ecosystem of experts within the company to help make decisions
24:24 Favorite decision-making matrix regularly used
27:01 Go-to method for sourcing new ideas or iterating mature and new products
34:23 Oftentimes, the best ideas come from unexpected places
37:15 Take what makes you successful but apply it in new places that can help make big changes
39:05 Be very clear on how everyone makes decisions
43:09 Decision-making takes time to build confidence on and to build the tool set
44:27 Some things are hard to let go but maybe they're not where our future is

Feb 1, 2023 • 48min
73: ABCs of Platform Product Management
In this episode of the How to Succeed in Product Management Podcast, marketing professor Jeff Shulman and The Product Management Center advisory board member Soumeya Benghanem welcomes Arjun Subramanian as they discuss platform product management. This is one of the most challenging roles in product management as they are the ones who have to work closely with the engineering team to ensure that the product is well-maintained. For those PMs who are interested in this role, in order to be successful in this field, you need not only to understand the core technologies but be able to look at the long-term scalability of the product.
Disclaimer: All opinions of the speakers are their own.
Support for How to Succeed in Product Management is brought to you by Apptentive, which enables product managers to measure shifts in customer emotion and gather actionable feedback across the mobile customer journey. To learn more, go to Apptentive.com/UW.
What to Listen For:
00:00 Intro
03:42 What is a platform product?
07:42 Platform as a channel of delivery
12:05 Building a platform too late
16:09 Platform economics
17:48 Metrics of success for platform
21:47 Measuring cost savings
25:05 Mean time to recovery
26:39 Funding the platform team
29:38 Who can be a platform product manager?
34:22 Platform PMs need to be more technical
36:50 Edutainment
38:25 Advice for PMs stitching technologies together into a single platform
42:21 Building a unified user experience
44:27 Final thoughts

Jan 25, 2023 • 54min
72: Product Managing Internal Tools
In this episode of the How to Succeed in Product Management Podcast, marketing professor Jeff Shulman and The Product Management Center advisory board members Red Russak and Soumeya Benghanem welcome Charles Stewart (Autodesk) and Dimple Singhania (Walmart) as they discuss product managing internal tools. PMs should know about the internal tools that companies use to help automate workflows, store data information for security, and connect the different organizations in a company like marketing or finance.
Disclaimer: All opinions of the speakers are their own.
Support for How to Succeed in Product Management is brought to you by Apptentive, which enables product managers to measure shifts in customer emotion and gather actionable feedback across the mobile customer journey. To learn more, go to Apptentive.com/UW.
What to Listen For:
00:00 Intro
09:42 Measuring success when building an internal tool
11:25 Associate satisfaction
12:38 Building a common language for people to use
14:05 Think about the employee experience
16:18 Take into account the consistency of human behavior
18:28 Communication channels for PMs
22:03 Creating a tool that works for the entire enterprise
24:19 Taking a product market mindset to internal tools
26:08 Build vs. buy
32:09 Competitive advantage in terms of build vs. buy
34:15 Compatibility with your own already built or bought tools
38:45 Product shift
42:23 Pushing forward with the modernization approach
45:52 The friction unique to internal tools
48:37 Final thoughts

Jan 18, 2023 • 44min
71: Making Customer Obsession a Cross-Functional Practice
In this episode of the How to Succeed in Product Management Podcast, marketing professor Jeff Shulman welcomes Darlene Miranda (DailyPay) as they discuss how to make customer obsession as a cross-functional practice. PMs gather data from their customers to help in product improvement and development, but how can a PM let everyone in the organization join this customer obsession?
Disclaimer: All opinions of the speakers are their own.
Support for How to Succeed in Product Management is brought to you by Apptentive, which enables product managers to measure shifts in customer emotion and gather actionable feedback across the mobile customer journey. To learn more, go to Apptentive.com/UW.
What to Listen For:
00:00 Intro
03:28 Customer obsession
04:55 How customer obsessed are you?
06:35 When PMs don’t do enough to make a customer obsession a cross-functional
08:08 Being obsessed with two different types of customers
10:20 Engineering in customer obsession
13:38 Marketing
15:16 Customer obsession from the support function
17:17 Tools and frameworks
21:05 The role of customer support
23:52 What is unique about customer obsession?
26:10 An organization that will help you become customer obsessed
28:05 Cross-functional practice in the early stages of a startup
31:22 How to know if a company is customer obsessed
33:58 Operations functions to maintain customer obsession
36:14 Security and fraud
38:48 Resources for making customer obsession a cross-functional practice
40:55 Final thoughts

Jan 11, 2023 • 1h 15min
Best of 2021: Build Your Product Management Career Around Empathy
In this episode of the How to Succeed in Product Management Podcast, marketing professor Jeff Shulman and The Product Management Center advisory board members Red Russak and Soumeya Benghanem welcome Kevin Shah (T-Mobile) and Lisa Huang-North (Microsoft) to discuss why product managers need empathy when communicating with customers and while building their career, as well as finding the balance between being empathetic and product success.
Support for How to Succeed in Product Management is brought to you by Apptentive, which enables product managers to measure shifts in customer emotion and gather actionable feedback across the mobile customer journey. To learn more, go to Apptentive.com/UW.
What to Listen For:
00:00 Intro
03:53 Empathy also matters in how you manage your career
07:36 Do you understand where you are in your personal journey?
10:13 We suffer from survivor bias
13:33 The lack of empathy to certain stakeholders or groups can show up in the execution
16:12 Don’t focus on the persona and characteristics, focus on the needs and problems
22:15 Data communication depends on the channels already established
24:48 What’s important to users vs what’s important to the company
27:16 Try to understand where the misalignment is happening
28:06 Come back to the pain points you’re trying to address
31:03 Feeling empowered and having an authentic PM mindset
34:10 An executive does not understand the customers as well as the PMs do
38:53 Myth: “I’m not a great sales person and that’s why I think I’ll be a great PM.”
43:02 Best relationship between sales and products are centered around culture
44:56 Product managers are artists and creators
49:19 Logically group your community and dedicate different efforts on each segment
56:17 Empathy is your superpower
57:49 Recommended resources for PMs to get better at being empathetic
01:01:16 Drawing a balance between empathy and profitability
01:04:23 Product management is a contact sport and also a team sport
01:09:45 Own the job and be resolute with your standards
01:11:34 You don’t have to love something, but you have to be really curious about it

Jan 4, 2023 • 57min
Best of 2021: Transitioning from an Individual Contributor to a Manager
In this episode of the How to Succeed in Product Management Podcast, marketing professor Jeff Shulman and The Product Management Center advisory board members Red Russak and Soumeya Benghanem welcome Poorvi Shrivastav (HubSpot) to talk about how to smoothly transition from being an individual contributor to a leadership role. Aside from the tips and guides one can learn and practice while in transition, never lose focus on putting people first.
Support for How to Succeed in Product Management is brought to you by Apptentive, which enables product managers to measure shifts in customer emotion and gather actionable feedback across the mobile customer journey. To learn more, go to Apptentive.com/UW.
What to Listen For:
00:00 Intro
01:29 Transition from an individual contributor (IC) to Manager
07:43 Who directly reports to you?
08:51 The biggest transition from being an IC to a manager
11:02 3 things you need to succeed in the management role
16:20 Be very clear about the credit that belongs to you
20:13 Tips on how to transition in your first few days
25:29 Focus on outcome, but think about the process too
31:11 How to ace an interview for a leadership role
41:20 When you start leading a team that you are part of
47:38 How do you manage delegation?
50:00 Transition from an IC to management course
52:02 Focus on people first

Dec 28, 2022 • 58min
Best of 2021: Finding Clarity and Creating Alignment
In this episode of the How to Succeed in Product Management Podcast, marketing professor Jeff Shulman and The Product Management Center advisory board members Red Russak and Soumeya Benghanem welcome Josh Haftel (Adobe) and Ben Waddle (Expedia) to talk about creating a product out of an idea by breaking it down into smaller, more manageable ones for a faster turn around and quickly get customer feedback, and how product managers need to work with their team instead of managing it.
Support for How to Succeed in Product Management is brought to you by Apptentive, which enables product managers to measure shifts in customer emotion and gather actionable feedback across the mobile customer journey. To learn more, go to Apptentive.com/UW.
What to Listen For:
00:00 Intro
01:10 A PMs job is finding clarity and then creating alignment
06:35 The Discovery and Framing framework
09:58 Always start at the fundamentals
15:01 Take the big things down and break them down
17:47 Fail quickly then go into future iterations
19:53 What kind of experimentation should you be doing?
25:31 Pick a problem that you might have some passion for
28:12 Come up with hypotheses about why something's going to work versus why it's not going to work
30:39 Look for skills that your team currently don’t have
33:34 Understand who you need to influence and tailor your work products accordingly
38:38 Start with what outcomes matter to the audience you’re speaking to
42:52 The fastest way to get something into the hands of the customers
45:30 Break down big assumptions into smaller ones
50:23 Partner with your team to arrive at the best solution
52:55 As a product manager, you don’t manage anybody

Dec 21, 2022 • 60min
70: Best Practices During Discovery
In this episode of the How to Succeed in Product Management Podcast, marketing professor Jeff Shulman and The Product Management Center advisory board members Red Russak and Soumeya Benghanem welcome Charles Wartemberg (Netflix) and Pamela Fleury (Harvard) as they discuss the best practices during discovery. Gathering feedback and data from customers is very important in managing products so a good PM should be able to know how to get this data and implement it for product improvement.
Disclaimer: All opinions of the speakers are their own.
Support for How to Succeed in Product Management is brought to you by Apptentive, which enables product managers to measure shifts in customer emotion and gather actionable feedback across the mobile customer journey. To learn more, go to Apptentive.com/UW.
What to Listen For:
00:00 Intro
06:31 How much time to spend on discovery?
10:30 Recommended resource about discovery work
15:16 The alignment and getting everyone on the same page
18:27 Leveraging product sense
21:03 What does discovery look like in a lot of customer environments?
22:52 Truly understanding the why versus seeing how the market responds
33:59 A product inside a product
40:30 Product marketing team working with the overall marketing team
44:54 Career in product management
53:56 Final thoughts

Dec 14, 2022 • 56min
69: How Human-Centered Design & Engineering Can Help Product Managers Succeed
In this episode of the How to Succeed in Product Management Podcast, marketing professor Jeff Shulman and The Product Management Center advisory board members Red Russak and Soumeya Benghanem welcome Julie Seto (Microsoft) and Aneesha Kommineni (Google) as they discuss how human-centered design and engineering can help PMs. Learning more about HCDE is one of the important skills a good PM should have because it lets PMs better understand what the people need and help make a more efficient design.
Disclaimer: All opinions of the speakers are their own.
Support for How to Succeed in Product Management is brought to you by Apptentive, which enables product managers to measure shifts in customer emotion and gather actionable feedback across the mobile customer journey. To learn more, go to Apptentive.com/UW.
What to Listen For:
00:00 Intro
06:31 How is HCDE related to other concepts
08:15 Similarities and differences
11:17 Tips for hiring people who have different biases
13:21 Combine different research methodologies
15:06 Design culturally neutral experiences
15:55 Why is human centered design important to learn?
19:20 The use of HCDE in your job
25:33 Tension between human centered design and business objectives
30:02 Differences in applying HCDE in a B2B vs B2C product
37:50 Considering geographical and cultural aspects while designing the product in enterprise
41:50 Resource or bootcamp recommendations
44:44 When someone says no about your human centered design feature
47:52 Universal design vs human centered design
49:06 Final thoughts
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