

ProductLed Podcast
Wes Bush
The ProductLed Podcast is a weekly interview series with both product-led growth leaders and practitioners who have real knowledge to share on what it takes to use their product to grow a business.
Episodes
Mentioned books

Mar 28, 2023 • 32min
How To Roll Out A Self-Serve Model At A 10M+ Company
When your current sales model seems to be working, why bother rocking the boat? But what if we told you that you could implement a product-led motion alongside your current sales motion? In this week’s episode, we’re talking with Tami Reiss, a Product Leader Coach who helped JustWorks roll out their highly successful self-serve model.
JustWorks helps companies manage four business essentials on one simple platform: payroll, compliance, benefits, and HR. Join us as Tami talks about how she helped boost JustWorks’ sales through simple PLG steps. With over two decades of experience helping tech companies strengthen and deploy product strategies for growth, Tami shares her wealth of knowledge on achieving PLG goals for both small and big businesses.
Key Takeaways
[1:55] What Started The Shift For Justworks
[4:10] Managing Resistance From Sales Teams
[6:15] How to ACTUALLY Start A PLG Shift
[10:10] Sales People = Nudging People
[11:55] How Self-Service Topped The Leaderboard
[14:05] How Justworks’ Self-Service Funnel Works
[17:00] Helping Small Businesses Grow
[22:50] The Importance Of Digital Efficiency
[27:10] How To Motivate Your PLG Team
[29:45] Get Product Led Coaching From Tami!
About Tami Reiss
Tami Reiss is an experienced product executive who works with tech product leaders and teams to realize their potential by focusing on their strengths to advance toward their goals.
Profile
Tami Reiss on LinkedIn
Tami on Medium
Other Podcast Appearances: https://productleadercoach.com/podcast-speeches
Justworks Website
Justworks on LinkedIn
Justworks on Twitter

Mar 21, 2023 • 35min
How to Map Out the User Onboarding Journey
User onboarding is one of the most crucial elements of a product-led growth strategy. In this insightful episode of the ProductLed Podcast, Joshua Waldman and Trevor Hatfield from Inturact, share their process of mapping out the user onboarding journey.
They also provide insight into how you can approach team alignment, and the key metrics companies should monitor during the entire process based on their years of experience helping Silicon Valley and Fortune 500 companies increase their revenues by as much as 200%.
Watch the video in Youtube
GRAB A COPY of Team Scorecard Template here ⇨ https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KDv4IIfkj5_wTyYNnANeX5s4qsO-77AFJFfJQA7YNa8/edit#gid=0
Get the Customer Journey Map here ⇨ https://inturact.innertrends.com/customer-journey-metrics/1676494765ad25246167f7df15
Key Takeaways
[1:10] The Origin Story Of Inturact
[2:30] A Sample User Onboarding Map
[3:15] The Three Most Important Metrics
[6:25] What Happens When Companies Don’t Have A Plan
[9:05] Where Does User Onboarding Even Begin And End
[14:50] Understanding The Difference Between User Onboarding Vs. Customer Onboarding
[16:40] Inturact’s Secret Ingredient
[25:00] Diving Into A Case Study With Inturact
[28:30] Final Tips For Aligning Your Teams
About Trevor Hatfield
Trevor Hatfield is the CEO of Inturact whose focus is to align your web-marketing with your sales objective using the latest methodologies and technological solutions to expand your reach, build your brand, and increase your revenue. Inturact has run successful campaigns for startups up to fortune 500 brands.
Trevor’s specialties cover SaaS & Product Marketing, Inbound Marketing, Growth Hacking, Web Design Development, Content Marketing, Graphic Design and Data Analysis – everything you need to turn your web presence from an immovable object to an unstoppable force.
About Joshua Waldman
Joshua Waldman is currently the Client Account Manager of Inturact. With more than 13 years as an entrepreneur and product leader, his passion for product management and customer empathy has driven him to write a For Dummies book, self-publish, and contribute to publications like Forbes and HuffPost.
Guest Resources:
Check out Trevor’s socials!
Trevor on Twitter
Check out Joshua’s socials!
Joshua on LinkedIn
Learn more about Inturact:
Inturact Website

Mar 14, 2023 • 28min
PLG False Starts: The Pitfalls of Wrong Sales Incentives and Silos
This is the first episode in our PLG False Starts series with Mario Araujo.
Pivoting your company towards a product-led motion can be challenging. As upper management, how can you address friction happening within your organizational structure and your external business strategies?
As the founder of Sherlock and current Head of Product and Engineering at Copper, Derek shares his wealth of knowledge and experiences. Tune in for this week’s episode with Mario Araujo as Derek shares three powerful learning experiences in creating an organizational culture and structure optimized for PLG.
We also dive into the warning signs that your company is in a false start, the potential ways you may be harming the growth of your Sales team, and how to marry the PLG values with the goals of your Sales teams.
Show Notes
[1:20] Introduction to Derek Skaletsky and Copper
[4:18] Looking Back On Copper’s False Start
[8:20] Identifying The Warning Signs Of A False Start
[9:30] The Anatomy of a Cross-Functional Team
[13:25] How Misaligned Sales Incentives Can Hinder Growth Dd
[18:05] Pivoting a Sales Commission Model
[19:55] Side Effects of the Customer
[21:30] Handling An Influx In Customer Leads
About Derek Skaletsky
Derek is the founder of Sherlock and current Head of Product and Engineering at Copper, the only Google-recommended CRM that helps teams build better relationships to drive lasting revenue.
Profile
Derek on Twitter
Derek on LinkedIn
Copper Website

Mar 7, 2023 • 45min
PLG Trailblazers: How Keap Made the Transition to PLG with Clate Mask
This is the second episode in our PLG Founder Story series.
Making the shift from a sales-focused business to a product-led company can be challenging, but the results make the journey worth it. In this week’s episode, Clate Mask is here to share how Keap succeeded in making the jump to PLG.
As the co-founder and CEO of Keap, Clate is dedicated to helping millions of small businesses automate their processes and focus on exponential growth. With more than 20 years of experience, Clate is excited to share his experiences and expertise in pivoting Keap into a product-led company.
Tune in for this week’s episode as we talk about managing the ups and downs of a transition to being product-led, working through internal tensions, and identifying organizational strategies to align with PLG.
Show Notes
[1:00] The Origin Story of A $100 Million Business
[3:40] Pivoting To A PLG Company
[11:13] Setting Expectations Across the Board
[12:43] Steps for Planning a Shift to PLG
[15:18] Making Your Product Free Vs. Free Trial
[23:50] How Keap Overcame Roadbumps In The Rollout Phase
[29:00] Integrating The Role Of Sales In PLG
[35:22] Organizational Strategies to Achieve PLG Values
[38:10] Cultural Changes to Expect
[40:50] Celebrating Wins Over At Keap
About Clate Mask
Clate Mask is the co-founder and CEO of Keap, the leading all-in-one sales and marketing software built for small businesses. Clate has also authored a New York Times best-selling book, Conquer The Chaos: How to Grow a Successful Small Business Without Going Crazy.
Profile
Clate on Twitter
Clate on LinkedIn

Feb 28, 2023 • 39min
The Secret To Growing Startups With Anuj Adhiya
We record our remote interviews with Riverside. Try it out here and use code PRODUCTLED for 15% off!
--
Every startup struggles with growth somehow, but it doesn’t always have to be so difficult. In this week’s episode, we talk to Anuj Adhiya, an esteemed growth advisor for more than 100 startups. His previous roles in Sophya, The Predictive Index, and Growth Hackers means he has extensive experience in perfecting the approaches to growing a successful company.
Tune in as we dive into the importance of identifying assumptions and setting goals – the right way. By taking a look at the current landscape of product-led growth and analyzing the DNA of successful startups, Anuj shares his invaluable expertise on how you can reimagine growth for your company.
Show Notes
[1:05] Anuj’s Passion For Growth
[5:00] How To Give Users a Wow Moment
[8:20] Delivering on Your Promises
[12:30] What Startups Need to Focus On
[15:30] How You Could Be Setting Goals Wrong
[19:35] PLG Approaches for New Startups
[21:20] The Importance of Identifying Assumptions
[22:57] A Must-Try Exercise for All Stage Companies
[25:35] What Can We Learn From Successful Growth Stories
[27:32] Where Marketing Teams Can Learn From
[31:10] Making Data-Driven Decisions as an Organization
[33:39] How the Product-Led World Is Changing
About Anuj Adhiya
Anuj Adhiya is the author of 'Growth Hacking for Dummies' (Wiley & Sons, April ’20). As a renowned startup mentor, educator, and growth advisor, Anuj is committed to helping companies. As a Growth Mentor at Seedstars and Marketing Specialist at Harvard Innovation Labs, he helps startups uncover their best growth opportunities and solve early growth challenges.
Before this he was the Category Growth Lead at The Predictive Index where he owned the site that successfully launched the talent optimization category. He was also the Director of Engagement and Analytics at GrowthHackers where he grew the world's largest growth community working directly with Sean Ellis, the godfather of growth hacking.
Profile
Anuj on Twitter
Anuj on LinkedIn
Growth Hacking for Dummies

Feb 23, 2023 • 43min
PLG Trailblazers: How Tim Geisenheimer built Correlated
We record our remote interviews with Riverside. Try it out here and use code PRODUCTLED for 15% off!
--
Join us as we kick off a series of interviews with the founders of successful product-led companies at different stages of their growth.
In this week’s episode, Tim Geisenheimer shares an insider look at how his team at Correlated designed a tool that allows you to leverage your customer data to find customers who are most likely to buy your product.
Tune in as we talk about Correlated’s journey from its product ideation, market research, and team expansions. Learn more about how the founding team approached validating their problem and eventually raising $8 million dollars in their seed funding stage.
ShowNotes
[1:40] Tim’s Aha! Moment
[4:40] How Correlated Can Identify Which Users Are Most Likely To Convert
[5:55] A Behind The Scenes Look at Correlated
[8:50] Breaking Down Team Structures Of An Early Stage Startup
[13:25] The Power of Market Research
[18:10] On Correlated’s 2nd Year
[20:10] When’s the Best Time to Invest in Go-To-Market Methods?
[23:46] Correlated’s Strategies To Win
[26:57] Predicting The Future Landscape of PLG
[30:10] How To Create A Focused Workplace Culture
[39:05] Words of Wisdom From Tim
About Tim Geisenheimer
Tim Geisenheimer is the current CEO and Co-Founder at Correlated. Correlated is committed to delivering crucial insights from your customer data in order to connect your sales teams to the right buyers.
Profile
Tim on Twitter
Tim on LinkedIn
Correlated Website
Sponsor Resources
Website: https://riverside.fm/
Promocode: productled

Feb 14, 2023 • 46min
How to Make Your Job Delightful if You Work in Product
Working in product management can be overwhelming, but with the right tools and mindset you can truly stand out and make a difference in the product space. In this episode, we’re joined by the current Head of Product at Vowel, Anna Marie Clifton.
As a product veteran from Asana, Coinbase, and Yammer, Anna Marie shares with us her wealth of knowledge about product management and debunks common misconceptions about the job. Join us as she dives into the nitty-gritty of succeeding in product management, such as knowing how to build trust within teams and effectively manage the different needs of every department.
If you'd like to try out Vowel, Anna and her team are offering ProductLed listeners three months of the Business Tier for free. Just enter the code PRODUCTLED at checkout.
Show Notes
[1:45] What Being a Product Manager Is Really Like
[3:33] The Crucial Role of Product Among Departments
[6:20] Handling Friction Like A Boss
[10:05] How to Build Trust With Design Teams
[11:50] Shifting Perspectives on Scope Cuts
[14:55] Mindset Shifts to Excel in Product
[17:33] The Secret to Succeeding as a PM
[22:35] Building Soft and Hard Skills in Product
[27:00] Anna Marie’s Secret Key to Collaboration
[32:45] A Hack to Communicating Effectively Within Teams
[35:20] Taking Clues From Body Cues
[38:35] The Most Exciting Thing About Product Management
[41:15] Learn More About Anna Marie and Vowel!
About Anna Marie Clifton
Anna Marie is the current Head of Product at Vowel, a groundbreaking tech company committed to making remote meetings 10x more productive. She regularly appears in product-related podcasts and publishes think pieces on the future of tech and product.
Profile
Anna on Twitter
Anna on Medium
Anna on LinkedIn
Vowel Website

Feb 7, 2023 • 25min
How to Deliver Your Value Proposition at Lightning Speed
In today’s social media-driven world, it’s harder than ever to hold a client’s attention long enough for conversion. With endless distractions and competition to look out for, how can product-led companies optimize their time-to-value (TTV) metric
Tune in for this week’s episode as the CEO of UserGuiding Osman Koc shares his practical advice for designing an onboarding experience that communicates your laser-focused unique selling point in just a matter of seconds.
If your company is looking to convert more interested clients, then this episode is jampacked with must-try methods, experiments, and design tips to convince clients to take key actions as quickly as possible
Show Notes
[2:15] Learning More About UserGuiding
[3:10] The Secret to an Outstanding Onboarding Experience
[6:40] Now or Never: On the Most Important Three Minutes
[10:28] Which Companies Have Successfully Done It?
[11:43] Is Segmentation Necessary?
[14:08] Key Metrics Every ProductLed Company Should Monitor
[17:35] Osman’s Must-Try Strategies
[21:03] Words of Advice From The CEO of UserGuiding
About Osman Koc
Osman is the Co-Founder and CEO of UserGuiding, an innovative, no-code software that allows teams to scale up user onboarding and product walkthroughs. Learn more about his company and his work below:
Profile
UserGuiding Website
Osman Koc on Twitter
Osman Koc on LinkedIn

Jan 31, 2023 • 28min
How to Build a SaaS Landing Page That Converts
Landing pages are the most crucial yet underrated part of any website. As a SaaS business, your potential clients are making split decisions to sign up or back out the moment they see your landing page.
Join us for this week’s episode with Pedro Cortes, who is also known as the “SaaS Landing Page Guy.” As a positioning consultant on SaaS conversions, Pedro has helped over 120 B2B SaaS clients achieve higher sign-ups, uplifts, and revenue. He shares his expertise in communicating your value proposition and understanding the core principles of conversion writing.
Show Notes
[1:07] How Pedro Got His Start
[3:10] Why Most SAAS Businesses Struggle With Conversions
[6:00] On Crafting the Perfect Landing Page
[13:28] Who Needs to Learn About Product-Led Acquisition Techniques?
[15:30] How Pedro’s Client Raked In A 40% Increase in Revenue
[22:01] On Communicating Effective USPs
[22:27] Why Learning Copywriting Can Set Up Businesses for Success
About Pedro Cortés
Pedro is a leading expert on how SaaS companies can better communicate their value proposition through best practices in copywriting and website design. Learn more about his work and his free educational materials below:
Profile
Pedro Cortés Website
Pedro Cortés on Twitter
Pedro Cortés on LinkedIn

Jan 24, 2023 • 20min
How ClickUp Aligns their Team around Product-Led Growth
With the ever-changing landscape of product-led growth, managing large teams and staying on top of everything can seem overwhelming. But luckily, industry experts such as Tatiana Morozova from ClickUp have stayed on track.
As ClickUp’s Head of Growth and Strategy, Tatiana shares their tried-and-tested strategies for leading large teams and streamlining communication across the board. Join us as she gives us a glimpse into the unique team structures and consumer-centered metrics behind ClickUp’s booming success as a PLG company.
If improving your team’s internal processes is something you’re curious about, then we have got you covered in this week’s episode with ProductLed’s Director of Content Laura Kluz and Tatiana.
Show Notes
[2:47] Understanding Customer Onboarding Within ClickUp
[4:23] The Key to Streamlining Communication in Large Teams
[5:40] ClickUp’s Secret to Driving Goals Forward
[6:56] What Gets Measured Gets Managed: The Importance of Updating Metrics
[10:38] How Often Should Teams Re-Evaluate Their Metrics?
[12:53] Achieving Optimal Efficiency Within Your Teams
[15:31] Pivoting Into a Product-Led Growth Company
[16:51] Diving Into the Dynamics of Onboarding and Sales Teams
About Tatiana Morozova
With years of experience in the tech space, Tatiana has become an accomplished industry expert in the fields of Product-Led Growth and Growth Marketing.
Profile
Tatiana Morozova on LinkedIn