

Curious Minds at Work
Gayle Allen
Want to get better at work? At managing others? Managing yourself? Gayle Allen interviews experts who take your performance to the next level. Each episode features a book with insights to help you achieve your goals.
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Oct 7, 2022 • 40min
CM 224: Jennifer Garvey Berger on Thriving in Uncertainty
What if the skills we need to thrive in uncertainty were ones we already had?
That’s the case Jennifer Garvey Berger makes in her latest book, Unleash Your Complexity Genius: Growing Your Inner Capacity to Lead.
When life is good, we make time to connect, engage, and create. But when it’s uncertain, stress gets in the way of these healthy behaviors.
While we can’t always change life’s complexity, we can counter its effects by tapping into healthy features of our biology. These include our breath, laughter, and social connections.
This is a book to read with your colleagues, your teams, or all by yourself. It’ll help you take the first steps toward responding to uncertainty in healthier and happier ways.
Episode Links
The Expectation Effect by David Robson
Quit by Annie Duke
Akasha and Vernice Jones and Carolyn Coughlin
Changing on the Job by Jennifer Garvey Berger
Good Arguments by Bo Seo
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Sep 26, 2022 • 60min
CM 223: Chantel Prat on How Every Brain Is Different
Your manager sees it one way. Your colleague sees it another. Both ways are different from yours. Why is that? Well, our brains may have something to do with it.
Today’s brain researchers are studying what makes our brains different. They’re finding that these differences not only impact how we interpret situations, but also how well we’re able to focus, learn new things, and adapt to change. They’re also discovering what motivates us and how well we connect with teammates.
Chantel Prat is a neuroscientist who studies brain differences, and she’s written a book on the subject, The Neuroscience of You: How Every Brain is Different and How to Understand Yours. In it, she explains how differences in brain design play out in work and in life. She helps us appreciate these differences and gain greater empathy for one another.
Episode Links
The Dress
Michael Gazzaniga and Roger Wolcott Sperry and Simon Baron-Cohen
Hebbian Theory
PACE Model of Curiosity
Theory of Mind
Tomorrow, and Tomorrow, and Tomorrow by Gabrielle Zevin
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Sep 12, 2022 • 50min
CM 222: Steve Magness on Real Toughness
How we think about toughness needs a reset. Too often, it’s been associated with brute forcing our way through things. Ignoring our feelings. Making an outward show of confidence and dominance.
The problem is it just doesn't work.
Performance coach and bestselling author, Steve Magness, offers another way. He’s done a deep dive on the latest research on toughness and performance. In his book, Do Hard Things: Why We Get Resilience Wrong and The Surprising Science of Real Toughness, he discusses the misconceptions of our current model. Then he offers a new one informed by the latest in neuroscience and psychology research. Along the way, he translates research findings into practical steps we can take to make the shift.
If you’re a performance junkie, you’ll gain a lot from this interview. You can also apply his ideas to managing your teams. If you enjoy Steve’s approach, check out my previous interview with him on finding your passion at work and in life, episode 142.
Episode Links
How to be More Resilient, According to an Elite Performance Coach
The Secret to Developing Resilient Teams and Organizations
Changing This 1 Word in Your Thoughts Can Boost Mental Toughness and Resilience, Psychologists Say
Steven Callahan
Atlas Obscura: An Explorer’s Guide to the World’s Hidden Wonders by Joshua Foer, Dylan Thuras, and Ella Morton
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Aug 29, 2022 • 44min
CM 221: Julie Winkle Giulioni On Redefining Career Growth
What do you do when a promotion isn't an option? Maybe there aren’t enough positions to go around. It’s not the right moment in your career. Or maybe you don’t want the management responsibilities. In each case, you can feel stuck.
But what if there were other options for career growth and development?
That’s the case Julie Winkle Giulioni makes in her book, Promotions are So Yesterday: Redefine Career Development and Help Employees Thrive. In it, she shares seven areas for growth that leaders can develop in their organizations, teams, and individual employees.
Julie’s insights offer a slate of new options to managers and individual contributors, each of which can have a positive impact on all areas of the organization. If you’re looking to meet employees where they are and modernize your organization in the process, Julie’s book is a terrific resource.
Episode Links
Multidimension Career Framework
Psychological safety and Amy Edmonson
The Inner Game of Career Development
Defeat Disconnection with Development
The Earned Life by Marshall Goldsmith
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Aug 15, 2022 • 43min
CM 219: Susannah Baldwin on Women’s Voices at Work
Is our cultural conditioning holding women back at work?
We don’t often notice how we’re culturally conditioned. Like when we walk into a store and the girls’ toys are pink and boys’ toys are blue. It’s a gender norm we may not question.
Now you might ask, in the big scheme of things, how much do kids’ toy colors really matter? But what about actual behaviors, like when girls are playing together and they’re told to be quiet and play nice?
Years later, these kinds of gender norms show up in the workplace. For example, men can be loud and openly ambitious, while women need to be warm and likeable. Yet, it’s these kinds of behaviors that can hold women back.
The kind of body language and spoken language that got women the job may not get them promoted.
I invited Susannah Baldwin on the show because she’s spent decades studying the causes and effects of women’s cultural conditioning and its impact on their advancement in the workplace. In her book, Women, Language, and Power: Giving Voice to Our Ambition, she shines a light on how dominant a force this conditioning is. She also offers thoughtful guidance on how to overcome it.
Whether you’re looking to understand the challenges for yourself or your team, you’ll find this book to be an incredible resource.
Episode Links
What Likeability Really Means in the Workplace
Bem Sex-Role Inventory
Let's Talk: Make Effective Feedback Your Superpower by Therese Huston
Self-Promotion as a Risk Factor for Women: The Costs and Benefits of Counterstereotypical Impression Management
Karin Martin gender researcher
Persuasiveness of Confidence Expressed via Language and Body Language
Anna Fels
Executive Presence by Sylvia Ann Hewlett
Interior Chinatown by Charles Yu
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Aug 1, 2022 • 51min
CM 219: Britt Frank on Getting Unstuck
There are times in our lives where we feel stuck, be it personally or professionally. It might be in our career. It might in a relationship.
We’re smart, so we try to think our way out of it. But when we’re really stuck, thinking can turn into ruminating. And the more we think, the more we stay stuck. That’s when the labeling kicks in. The voice in our head labels us lazy, or crazy, or just plain unmotivated.
Today’s guest, Britt Frank, is a licensed specialist clinical social worker (LSCSW). She’s written the book, The Science of Stuck: Breaking Through Inertia to Find your Path Forward. Britt’s the perfect person to teach us how thinking our way forward may not be the right tool for the job. In this interview, she explains how we get stuck and steps we can take to move through it.
Episode Links
Eustress vs Distress
Cognitive behavioral therapy
Brene Brown
Peter Levine and somatic experiencing
Carl Jung and the Shadow Side
Bessel van der Kolk
William Worden and the 4 Tasks of Grieving
The Sun Valley Wellness Festival
Do Hard Things by Steve Magness
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Jul 18, 2022 • 45min
CM 218: Michael Wenderoth on How to Get Promoted
Most of us believe that if we're smart, work hard, and hit our targets, we've got what it takes to get promoted. And, in some organizations, we might be right.
But, in many organizations, those skills only take us so far.
Research shows that there's an additional set of skills, one we don't often discuss. Things like, strategic networking, political intelligence, and likeability.
If you're like most people, these skills bring up a lot of strong emotions. You may even ask, why can't my work just speak for itself? Yet, if you think about who's gotten ahead at the places you've worked, you may start to see a pattern.
That's what led Michael Wenderoth to write the book, Get Promoted: What You're Really Missing at Work That's Holding You Back. He noticed the gap between what we're often told to do to get ahead and what we actually need to do. This book is his attempt to fill that gap, and it's a much-needed resource for today's employee who's looking to get promoted.
Episode Links
Herminia Ibarra
Power mapping
For the Birds exhibit at Brooklyn Botanic Garden
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Jul 4, 2022 • 59min
CM 217: Anh Dao Pham on How to Succeed as a Project Leader
In most organizations, moving up means managing projects. And if you want to grow your project management skills, you’ve got a wealth of resources to choose from. Everything from books and podcasts to courses and certifications.
What’s much harder to find is information on how to lead a project, not just manage one. It’s the missing piece that may ultimately be more important to your project’s success.
That’s why I wanted to interview Anh Dao Pham, author of the book, Glue: How Project Leaders Create Cohesive, Engaged, High-Performing Teams. Anh has decades of experience leading projects for tech companies. But it wasn’t until a conversation with a mentor that she realized the more apt title for her work is project leader, not manager. Adding tangible project leadership skills to her work has made all the difference.
And that’s what she shares in her book. The essential leadership skills project leaders need to start, maintain, and end successful projects. It’s a how-to for being the glue your team needs to succeed.
Episode Links
What Happy People Know by Dan Baker
How to Win Friends and Influence People by Dale Carnegie
Influence by Robert Cialdini
Elementary (TV Series)
Give and Take by Adam Grant
Grit by Angela Duckworth
Rituals Roadmap by Erica Keswin
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Jun 20, 2022 • 57min
CM 216: Megan Gerhardt on Navigating a Multi-Generational Workplace
For the first time in U.S. history, we have employees from five different generations working side by side. With so many different perspectives and life experiences, conflict is inevitable.
Unfortunately, this often leads to stereotyping. We classify colleagues as millennial snowflakes, entitled young people, or clueless boomers. When this happens, we miss out on some of the greatest business opportunities of the twenty-first century. Opportunities to build better products and services informed by a diverse mix of views. Chances to develop better learning experiences where we cross pollinate different generational strengths.
Fortunately, Megan Gerhardt’s written a book to help us navigate the shark-filled waters of multi-generational management. It’s called, Gentelligence: The Revolutionary Approach to Leading an Intergenerational Workforce. In it, she shares the hallmarks of each generation, including what motivates and worries them. She also shares insightful ways to lead and build rapport. It’s a resource you’ll return to again and again.
Episode Links
Protecting My Turf: The Moderating Role of Generational Differences on the Relationships between Self-direction and Hedonism Values and Reactions to Generational Diversity
An Exploratory Study of Gender and Motivation to Lead in Millennials
Fluid and Crystallized Intelligence
Bias Interrupted by Joan Williams and her interview on Curious Minds at Work
Leaders Who Coach by Jan Salisbury
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Jun 6, 2022 • 56min
CM 215: Roger Martin on Rethinking Management
The most successful leaders are always looking for an edge. It could be a competitive edge for their organizations, their teams, even themselves.
One of the most effective ways to gain that edge is to notice what others miss. It’s about rethinking accepted wisdom around things like, strategy, planning, and execution.
This week’s guest, Roger Martin, is someone who brought that kind of critical thinking to his own successful business and who now brings it to leaders around the world. He shares what he’s learned in his latest book, A New Way to Think: Your Guide to Superior Management Effectiveness.
Whether you’ve recently moved into a management position or you’ve been leading for decades, this is a practical and thoughtful resource. It’s a guide to rethinking many of our assumptions about management and leadership.
Episode Links
John Dewey
Randall L Stephenson
Isadore Sharp
Roger Martin on the Efficiency Myth
The Upside of London Tube Strikes
Power: Why Some People Have It and Others Don't by Jeffrey Pfeffer
Roger Martin on Medium
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