

Curious Minds at Work
Gayle Allen
Want to get better at work? At managing others? Managing yourself? Gayle Allen interviews experts who take your performance to the next level. Each episode features a book with insights to help you achieve your goals.
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Dec 4, 2023 • 56min
CM 254: Adia Harvey Wingfield on Racism at Work
In the U.S., we have laws and policies in place to prevent discrimination of Black workers. In addition, we have leaders who make public pledges in support of diversity goals. Yet the data continue to show that Black employees are less likely to be hired, more likely to stall out in mid-level positions, and stand little chance of gaining senior level positions.
Why is that?
Adia Harvey Winfield’s work lies at the intersection of labor and race, and her research reveals that, for Black workers, there are gray areas. These gray areas are the cultural, social, and relational factors that influence who gets hired, who gets promoted, and who finds it easiest to navigate the workplace. That’s what she writes about in her latest book, Gray Areas: How the Way We Work Perpetuates Racism and What We Can Do to Fix It.
Adia shares powerful stories of Black workers across all kinds of professions and organizations. We’re taken into the lived experiences of individual Black employees as they navigate landmines most of us don’t even see. It’s a book that took my understanding of racism in the workplace to a whole other level.
Episode Links
How Gray Areas in Work Culture Drive Racial Inequality
What Do a Black Scientist, Non-Profit Executive, and Filmmaker Have in Common? They All Face Racism in the 'Gray Areas' of Workplace Culture
We Built a Diverse Academic Department in 5 Years. Here's How.
Joan Williams on Diversity Practices that Work
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Nov 20, 2023 • 51min
CM 253: Karen Eber on Crafting the Perfect Story
A well-crafted story can fuel connection. It can inspire trust and entertain. Better still, it can have a ripple effect.
Yet most of us avoid telling stories. Instead, we stick to the facts and emphasize the data. Now, even if we believe this is the best way to convey information, our brains, if they could talk, would disagree. That’s why, if we want to connect, persuade, or just keep our audience’s attention, we need to get better at storytelling.
That’s why I wanted to speak with Karen Eber, author of the book, The Perfect Story: How to Tell Stories That Inform, Influence, and Inspire. Karen not only explains why stories matter, she also explains how to craft them. Every section of this book is filled with takeaways you can immediately put into practice. It’s a book I’ll return to again and again.
Episode Links
How Your Brain Responds to Stories and Why They’re Crucial for Leaders
The 4-Part Structure to Telling Great Stories
Vanessa Bohns on How We Influence Others
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Nov 6, 2023 • 46min
CM 252: Matt Abrahams on How to Speak on the Spot
In this podcast, communications expert Matt Abrahams shares strategies for speaking successfully when put on the spot. Topics include overcoming anxiety and perfectionism, the importance of structure in various domains, practicing and focusing communication skills, tips for small talk and Q&A sessions, and exploring artificial intelligence in communication.

Oct 23, 2023 • 48min
CM 251: Eduardo Briceno on Improving Our Performance
Most of us are on a performance treadmill. We show up. We execute. Then tomorrow we do it all over again.
But this relentless focus on execution leaves little time for learning. As a result, our skills stagnate, and we accomplish less. Soon we find ourselves working harder while falling further behind.
Eduardo Briceno calls this The Performance Paradox: Turning the Power of Mindset into Action, a label that’s also the title of his book. In it, he shares how we can build learning into our day without sacrificing performance. It’s a way of working that ensures high execution and continuous learning.
Episode Links
4 Signs of the Chronic Performance Trap and How to Break Free
Your Talent Wants a Learning Culture. Here are 5 Steps to Create One
Interview with Steve Magness
My Name is Red by Orhan Pamuk
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Oct 9, 2023 • 55min
CM 250: Gloria Mark on Improving Our Attention
In this podcast, Gloria Mark discusses the challenges of living and working in a digital world, where interruptions and shifts in attention are common. She introduces the concept of 'kinetic attention' and suggests organizing our day around it. The podcast explores the nuances of attention, the relationship between personality and technology use, the impact of road activity on digital knowledge workers, the importance of agency in controlling our attention, and the significance of emotional well-being. Gloria also emphasizes the importance of integrating technology for positive outcomes and prioritizing well-being in the workplace.

Sep 25, 2023 • 49min
CM 249: Daniel Simons on How to Avoid Being Fooled
In this podcast, Daniel Simons discusses how our default settings make us vulnerable to fraud and deception. He shares four habits that put us at risk and ways to overcome them. Topics include the truth bias, deceptive corporate demos, balancing efficiency and social awkwardness in asking questions, the importance of defining terms, the influence of familiarity on trust, and the impact of AI on scams and the habit of commitment.

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Sep 11, 2023 • 49min
CM 248: Vanessa Patrick On How To Say No
We’re often told that saying yes to everything will be the key to our success. It’ll strengthen our relationships, enhance our reputation, and help us achieve our goals.
But what if the reverse were true? What if learning how to say no is the game changer? What if mastering this skill is the way to achieve our goals?
Vanessa Patrick has written a book on the subject titled, The Power of Saying No: The New Science of How to Say No That Puts You in Charge of Your Life.
There are so many factors that influence whether we achieve our goals, things like focus, persistence, and resilience. After reading Vanessa’s book, I’d add knowing how and when to say no.
Episode Links
Getting to Gutsy: Using Personal Policies to Enhance (and Reclaim) Agency in the Workplace
How to Say “No”: Conviction and Identity Attributions in Persuasive Refusal
Juggling Work and Home Selves: Low Identity Integration Feels Less Authentic and Increases Unethicality
The Autobiography of Benjamin Franklin
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Aug 28, 2023 • 45min
CM 247: Thomas Curran on the Perfection Trap
Aiming for perfection seems like a noble goal. It’s like we’re holding ourselves to a higher standard or standing out from the crowd.
But striving for perfection means working toward the impossible. And the cost to our mental and physical health can be enormous.
London School of Economics Professor, Thomas Curran, experienced the impact of perfectionism firsthand. As a recovering perfectionist, he’s made the field the focus of his research.
Curran’s research led to his book, The Perfection Trap: Embracing the Power of Good Enough. In it, he explains the psychology behind it, calls out cultural messages that reinforce it, and shares steps we can take to overcome it.
Episode Links
Perfectionists Need to Embrace Failure
The Rise of Perfectionism – and the Harm It’s Doing Us All
Understanding Perfectionism and Impostor Syndrome with Dr. Thomas Curran
Norwegian Wood by Haruki Murakami
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Aug 14, 2023 • 45min
CM 246: Simone Stolzoff On Our Relationship With Work
Simone Stolzoff, author of "The Good Enough Job: Reclaiming Life from Work," challenges our expectations of work and its role in our lives. He explores the rise of work as our primary identity and its impact on our well-being. Stolzoff discusses the challenges faced by professionals, vocational awe, and the transformation of workplaces. He also redefines the relationship between work and identity, emphasizing the importance of rest, relationships, and diversifying our sources of meaning. Finally, he offers strategies for improving our relationship with work.

Jul 31, 2023 • 52min
CM 245: Sally Jenkins on Elevating Your Performance
Winning athletes and coaches have a lot to teach us. They’re asked to perform at the highest level, day in and day out, and they face enormous pressure to succeed.
Faced with these expectations, the most successful ones must continually elevate their performance. But how?
That’s a question Sally Jenkins has spent a career trying to answer. Through her work as a sportswriter at The Washington Post, she discovered the formula great players use to succeed, and she shares it with us in her latest book, The Right Call: What Sports Teach Us about Work and Life.
It’s a fascinating set of insights that will help you elevate your own performance.
Episode Links
Bitter Rivals. Beloved Friends. Survivors.
Another Side of Dad
This Time Tomorrow by Emma Straub
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